Whats the deal .223 with 1 in 9 twist

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I have a remington 5 r in .223 and every review says 69 gr smk are the best.Well I have tried 53,55,62,69,75,77 grain bullets and so far the only 2 thats will shoot under 1 inch are the 53 grain hornady superformance (.860) and the 77 grain smk black hills and federal shooting (.600) I just cant seem to find a happy medium between 53 to 77 and it is really hard trying to find a bullet to start reloading.Every test has been done with factory ammo and 2 different 77 smk brands performed great.
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69 smk federal
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53 v-max superformance
All were fired from 100 yards 5 shot groups
 
#2
Re: Whats the deal .223 with 1 in 9 twist

Pick up a box or two of HSM 50gr V Max and report back. I think you will find the results rather impressive. Another factory ammo to try is the 45gr Remington Disenigrator ammo, shoots very well for factory ammo.
This is my close range pick 100/200yrds.

For long range .223, the 75gr BH Redbox has served me well and seems to ring well at 300 and 385M.

Just my .02
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">25.3 grains varget w/ 69g smk @ 2.260 oal in Winchester or LC brass and primmer of your choice. Works well in my Remington tactical. </div></div>

Thats my load exactly in my spst. Works well in a couple of my ar's as well.
 
#6
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Mine seems to like 52gr smk's over H335, either 25.5gr or 26.7gr, both shoot well. Best group of .37 moa, average size being .5-.8 moa. I've got some 69smk's to try. Early load development has the 69's shooting ~.75-1" through the entire range of charges. I'm confident that with a little tweaking they should be just as good or better than the 52's.
 
#7
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I have one too but cannot say for I reload for mine.the only thing that might help is that mine loves the 69gn bullet to run around 3000 fps.so if you can find some close to that it may help but not sure it will.just a thought.

its hard to find a sweet spot when buying ammo.so have you thought about letting one of the guys here that offer high end ammo to try.Chad and another guy cannot remember his name may be your answer.or just jump into the reloading world.
 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">25.3 grains varget w/ 69g smk @ 2.260 oal in Winchester or LC brass and primmer of your choice. Works well in my Remington tactical. </div></div>

Thats my load exactly in my spst. Works well in a couple of my ar's as well. </div></div>

What velocities are you gents getting? I have a load for the 69gn with IMR4895 that shoots in the 0.2's, but it runs about 2600fps. Looking for a little faster setup and have some Varget to play with.
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huckleberry75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">25.3 grains varget w/ 69g smk @ 2.260 oal in Winchester or LC brass and primmer of your choice. Works well in my Remington tactical. </div></div>

Thats my load exactly in my spst. Works well in a couple of my ar's as well. </div></div>

What velocities are you gents getting? I have a load for the 69gn with IMR4895 that shoots in the 0.2's, but it runs about 2600fps. Looking for a little faster setup and have some Varget to play with. </div></div>

2825fps
 
#10
Re: Whats the deal .223 with 1 in 9 twist

I will be buying an AR with a 24" 1:8" heavy barrel, and intend to be shooting 62's and 75's for most applications.

BH Red Box 75's worked very well in a 24" 1:9" Savage 10FP, and appeared to perform indistinguishably from HDY 75gr HPBT Match.

I no longer have a compelling wish to handload for semiautos. For non-critical applications, I will probably be setting up a stock or Tulammo and HDY 75gr steelcase ammo, and am looking into buying a USGI ammo box or two of Fed 62gr USGI stuff.

Greg
 
#11
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Your results are one of the reasons why it is necessary to actually test different loads and see how they perform from your setup. I had a Sig 556 DMR with a 21" 10-twist barrel. On paper, it should not have done so well with 77 gr loads, because of the slow twist. In actuality, it handled them just fine out to around 400 yd, past which the groupings started to fall off a lot. You may well get the best results from 77 gr loads at 100 yd as far as factory ammo goes, but it's also possible your groups could start to open up at longer ranges as the sub-optimal twist rate for those projectiles starts become more evident.
 
#13
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I have a Winchester Coyote with a 1-9" 24" barrel. While I haven't hand loaded yet for it, it does shoot the Fiocchi factory with 50 V-Max bullets into five shot .4" groups regularly at 100 yards.

Soon I will be trying the 77g SMK with 24.5g of Varget here shortly based on a number of recommendations by friends.
 
#14
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Hornady 75gr HPBT 0.010" off lands, 24.0gr Varget, CCI-400, brass your choice (I've used LC, RP, Lapua).

2850fps from my 26" 9 twist barrel and shoots 5 shot 0.5" @ 100yd groups.
 
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IMR 8208 will get you close to or over 3000 fps with a 69gn bullet.but will add it will be a max load to get it.Hodgdon says 23.8 is a max load.and I am at 24.0gn's and the sign's of pressure are OK.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huckleberry75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What velocities are you gents getting? I have a load for the 69gn with IMR4895 that shoots in the 0.2's, but it runs about 2600fps. Looking for a little faster setup and have some Varget to play with. </div></div>

This past Saturday I was getting 2870fps in my 20" bolt gun (SPST) and 2640fps in my 16" AR.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: txgunnertx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably not the bullets, but the whole combo, powder, col, that don't agree. </div></div>

Could it possibly be, the rifle???
 
#19
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The first thing to do is have the rifle glass bedded. I've seen a increase in accuracy nearly every time I bedded a rifle.

The 2cnd thing to do is buy a reloading kit. All the money you've spent on factory ammo would have paid for the kit already.

If it still won't shoot after all that then it's custom barrel time.
 
#20
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I have to agree with the comment about buying a reloading kit. The factory ammo with 69 and 77 gr. SMKs isn't bad but it should be a lot better in my Remington 5R 24 inch 1-9. The 77gr. bullets seem to shoot best so I ordered some 80 gr. Berger and 77 gr. SMKs to load. Guess I'm primarily concerned at this point as to which powder to load. Have CCI BR primers and some decent brass so determining powder will likely be the main decision.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huckleberry75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wfjames22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">25.3 grains varget w/ 69g smk @ 2.260 oal in Winchester or LC brass and primmer of your choice. Works well in my Remington tactical. </div></div>

Thats my load exactly in my spst. Works well in a couple of my ar's as well. </div></div>

What velocities are you gents getting? I have a load for the 69gn with IMR4895 that shoots in the 0.2's, but it runs about 2600fps. Looking for a little faster setup and have some Varget to play with. </div></div>

2825fps </div></div>

Thank you sir!!
 
#22
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Give the PPU match grade ammo a shot. My AR loves their 69 gr HP and they are $12 a box.

My SPS tactical likes a 50 gr Nosler Ballistic tips. I bought a box of the Ultramax reloads and they shoot around .5 to .6
 
#23
Re: Whats the deal .223 with 1 in 9 twist

I had a 700 PSS in 223 that shot Sierra 52 gr hpbt bullets better than Everything else. If you don't mind loading single shot style....try Hornady 75 Amax bullets at around 2.359" with either 24 grains of RL15 or Varget.
 
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