I hear that most guys are running 6mms now instead of 6.5s. IS that accurate? What flavor of 6mm? I am in Wyoming so are guys in the western states also switching to 6mms? Thanks.
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Create a channel Learn moreDon't chase calibers. Pick a 6 or 6.5 you like and get it and practice. If you can't win with a 6.5 then you won't with a 6mm and vice versa.
Most guys run 6mm calibers, but you can still be competitive with a 6.5 - the reason people seem to prefer the 6's is because it lets you see your misses more easily due to having less recoil to shift you off target if you've got a bit of an unstable position on an obstacle.
I'm building a new competition rifle this summer in 6BR personally. I looked at the different 6mm calibers and personally didn't want to need to drop good money on a barrel every 1,500-2,000 rounds shooting a 6XC, 6CM, or 6x47 (popular "fast" 6mm's that will push 115's past 3,000 fps easily), and I already knew I didn't want to deal with fireforming my brass for minimal gains. I did the math even at 1,000 yards the 100 fps difference was pretty negligible in terms of wind holds (drop I'm not as worried about since that's the easier of the two to calculate).
The other nice part about 6BR is the barrel life, or at least it's nice for someone like me who's shooting on a bit of a budget. I've heard it's pretty reliably in the 3,000-4,000 rounds per barrel range if you're not pushing it hard. Increased barrel life has diminishing returns, obviously, but I do like that I can pretty comfortably shoot at least 1 full year with practice included without wondering whether or not I'll need to replace a barrel. There are 3 different local matches with round counts of about 100 each month near me, so I'll definitely be putting a lot of rounds down the pipe.
My rifle isn't built yet (waiting on the Nucleus), but I know of 3 different guys who all shoot 6BR for PRS and haven't had mag issues after installing a specific spacer kit. I'm not sure which kit they used, or else I'd say (I don't want to get it wrong), but I plan to ask them when the action is shipping out so I can pick up the spacer kit and the same mags they've been using because they've been running flawlessly from watching and talking to them.Can you get them to feed reliably from magazines?
It depends on what you're trying to do. For PRS I would argue that Dasher is superior to 6.5 Creedmoor for one reason, with that reason being reduced recoil with comparable ballistics.I started with the 6.5 creedmoor, loved it. I then had a 6 dasher built. After numerous club matches and a few 2 day matches, I pretty much stayed in the middle of the pack with the creedmoor. My first match with the dasher I placed 2nd. Is the dasher superior to the creedmoor? No, but I do shoot it much better.
I started with the 6.5 creedmoor, loved it. I then had a 6 dasher built. After numerous club matches and a few 2 day matches, I pretty much stayed in the middle of the pack with the creedmoor. My first match with the dasher I placed 2nd. Is the dasher superior to the creedmoor? No, but I do shoot it much better.
I have to say I haven't noticed much difference in splash between the two calibers, though I know part of why I was having more trouble (compared to 6mm calibers that I tried shooting) getting back on target is because I was shooting some pretty hot loads - 147 ELD-M's at 2900-2915 fps - with a rifle that weighed under 11 pounds with bipod and scope.Maybe you had enough experience shooting and your shooting was getting better?
As for spotting misses, a 6.5 bullet is easier to see due to energy than a 6mm for misses especially in that wet dirt. If you set a 6.5 set up right the recoil isn't much more. I shoot what would be considered a lighter 6.5 Creedmoor with a good brake and I have no problems seeing my misses.
Maybe you had enough experience shooting and your shooting was getting better?
As for spotting misses, a 6.5 bullet is easier to see due to energy than a 6mm for misses especially in that wet dirt. If you set a 6.5 set up right the recoil isn't much more. I shoot what would be considered a lighter 6.5 Creedmoor with a good brake and I have no problems seeing my misses.
Rob01, will you expand more on your statement about setting the 6.5 up right to reduce recoil to close to 6mm levels? Thanks
Just a decent rifle weight, mine's about 15 pounds, and a good brake will do it. Like with anything also when you are in the moment of a match you got adreneline flowing and you don't really feel the small difference anyways. I know I don't. My 6.5s can easily see hits set up like mentioned. Position and follow through are very important too so the shooter does have to do his part.
6 comet in Missouri seems like half the guys at some matches are shooting it
What is the parent case and details of this?
I’ve been shooting 6creed for almost two years. I’m shooting my first PRS match next month. The most readily available off the shelf ammo I’ve found is Hornady 105gr bthp or 108 gr ELD Match. The match stuff is much more consistent when you get out past 500 yds. I have not had any trouble finding it online. I use one of the ammo finding apps to see who has the best price and order several hundred rounds at a time. Hornady is half decent brass so I save it all and reload with either the 108 ELD-M, Berger hybrids, or DTAC.I am working on a reloading setup, but might be a couple months or more down the line. So, is there any real difference in ammo availability between 6creed and 6.5 creed?
I know you can find a wide variety of 6.5 hunting ammo on shelves, but I’m sure I’ll be ordering all of my ammo online.
Also, Barrel life, any substantial difference between the 6 and 6.5?
About to have a barrel spun up. Was leaning towards 6creed, but I can always change to 6.5.
Thanks!
The mags and spacer kits these guys are using, now that my action is shipping and I've asked, is a standard AICS mag with the Primal Rights spacer kit. All 3 of them use it and none of the 3 has had any problems since they installed that spacer kit (one of them was having a really rough time before it though).Can you get them to feed reliably from magazines?
I'm shooting a standard 6BR and will probably be making the swap when I eventually (probably in 1-2 years) rebarrel with a shouldered pre-fit, assuming no other latest and greatest comes out by then. Easy fireforming because you can just shoot standard BR ammo through it, and then you can get velocities very similar to the dasher when you're finished with the fireforming.The 6BRA is pretty much taking over the wonder caliber of choice since I replied to this last.
I don't understand the part about seeing your 6mm hits easier than 6.5 because of recoil.
The latest craze is all 25-06.
Ok well not really but I still love mine.
I'm waiting to hear about the 338 Warburg taking over the 375, 408, 416 cheytac, etc. But haven't heard anything beyond whispers yet. Anyone here whispering?
I guarantee if you shoot you .300 H&H off a barricade at a steel target that's either in the brush or has a wet dirt backstop you won't be able to call your misses inside 500 yards. You also would have a rough time trying to free recoil it, which can be helpful on some stages.I shoot everything from 6mm to .300 H&H and call my own shots and none of them have a brake. Also, we don't say when I did do my part. It is all about not fucking up. So it is easier to fuck up with a 6mm is what you're saying.
The Black Jack 131 is putting the .257 back on the circuit. I'm working up a load now for 25-06. G1 .660 @2940 as advertised.
Why are you posting in the Precision Rifle Series (PRS) forum if you hate PRS and don't want to discuss the thread topic in the context of PRS?Fuck PRS
Don't chase calibers. Pick a 6 or 6.5 you like and get it and practice. If you can't win with a 6.5 then you won't with a 6mm and vice versa.