Rifle Scopes What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

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If you have a Vortex Viper PST FFP, and have mounted it on your rifle, what is the verdict? Yay or Nay? Buy or not buy? I have a NF NXS 5.5-22x56 Mil/Mil/HS/ZS on another rifle, and I am totally happy with it. That being said, I am thinking of getting a PST 6.5-24x50 MIL/Mil for my next project. The price difference between the two would suggest that NF vs Vortex is like comparing apples and oranges, is this a fair assumption? If I got a PST would I be disappointed after looking thru my NF for the last 6 months?


I have heard nothing but good about Vortex CS. They sounds extrordinarily responsive, but personally I would rather have a product that is GTG right out of the box rather than deal with CS. I'm thinking it just sounds like people are having problems with their PST because the people that never have problems are the silent majority, as opposed to the people that post about their problems. So what's your verdict?

Regards,

Rick
 
#2
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I have the 4-16x50 and am pretty impressed with it so far. I did have to utilize Vortex CS, but only because I bought it used and found that it had the older design turrets when I received it. They switched them out and had it back to me in less than a week. Now the turrets are extremely solid. Is it a NF? No, and to compare it to one would be unfair. Is it worth $900? So far, I would say yes. If I had to make a comparison as far as glass, I would compare it to a Leupy VXIII or even a Mk4. As far as durability, time will tell. I have not run mine hard enough to know for sure. I don't think (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that a lot of people are using these for serious competitions alongside the S&B's, NF's, Hendsolts, PH's, and Razors, so durability could also be subjective. What's durable enough for me probably won't be durable enough for the tactical competition crowd.
 
#3
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Just put 2 of the 4-16 PST on our long range guns. Took them out last weekend for settings to 1000 yards. Worked perfect, tracked perfect and came back to exact settings at all distances. I'm not glass "sensitive" where I have to defend it as not being as good as a scope that costs twice as much. We shot all last season and was very competitive against guns/scopes costing 5 to 6 times as much with cheap $250.00 scopes so this is a huge step up for us.

Complaints: Really not so much a complaint as things we noticed. Mine has a small paint chip floating around in it, my sons has two. I really could care less since I don't let things like that bother me at a match but after talking to Vortex they said just box them up and ship them back. We wanted to shoot the matches all season so he said just ship them back whenever we want since there is a lifetime warranty.

One other thing I would of liked is a bit thinner crosshair at the middle, it almost completely hides the 8" circle at 1000 yards on 16x. It barely sticks out past the corners of the crosshair so you can center up on it so is still plenty usable but just something I'd like to have had different.

Not sure what others mean when they talk about durable/tuff/indestructable their high end scope holds up, I've never seen anyone with a NF or high end scope toss their gun down or in the trunk of a car and most baby them even when setting them down. Our guns have a pretty sharp recoil being so light so we'll see how they hold up to that this season. We're plenty happy so far with them and the folks at Vortex seem very ready to do anything they can to remedy a problem.

Just my opinions and observations on the scope so far. I've never followed a fad or trend and find great satisfaction doing it differently than most.

Topstrap

 
#4
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I had one of the first 6-24x50mm PST FFP MOA scopes with the Vortex Custom Turret since last summer. I really had NO complaint. I read that the turrets turned to easily which happened when I slid the rifle on the back seat of the truck. When I noticed this I got in the habit of checking the settings before I would shoot. This was a great learning experience for me. I sent it back and Vortex replaced it free of charge with the new scope which has the turrets much better. I haven't shot it past 300 yards yet, but counted clicks to get me on paper at 1,000 yds a couple of times and shot it at my zero which is 200 yds. It put the group dead center of the X ring after doing this.

I am expecting the new scope to adjust up and down perfectly like the first scope.

Look here where I write about the first scope and have pictures of the newer one:

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=564977&highlight=

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=574886&highlight=

40gt
 
#5
Re: What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Not sure what others mean when they talk about durable/tuff/indestructable their high end scope holds up, I've never seen anyone with a NF or high end scope toss their gun down or in the trunk of a car and most baby them even when setting them down.
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HAHAHA. Funny. Yeah how come?

My PST is a solid scope for the money. It works as designed and doesn't cost a fortune. They save on weight too.
I can't say if you will like it compared to a NF. Subjectivity plays such a big role in scope choice.
 
#6
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Thumbs Up for the Vortex PST

In reference to being used seriously,

A quote from another thread

Dustin was able to make first shot hits at times on 12”x12” steel plates all the way out to 1165 fairly easy, this was very impressive for the 308, some of his farthest shots were out to 1200 yards. Dustin ended up working the 4-16x50 PST ffp scope very well, the scope got a workout being cranked up and down to many different verticals with around 200 rounds fired at a wide spread of mixed up distances, We were very happy with the performance of the scope and it was a perfect match for the Remington 308 SPS AAC rifle with a 20 moa base


We were very satisfied with the scopes performance when it was depended on, to get the job done.


oneshot.onehit
 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have one. Am buying a second. </div></div>. +1. I have the 4-16 and LOVE it, I have a second one on order. Good glass, lightweight, perfect tracking, good price.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">0kay I had a chance to do some side by side comparisons of the
Vortex 6x24 pst in SFP and the sightron 6x24 target dot and 5,5 x 22 nightforce NXS in NPR2.

Here are my thoughts. The vortex reticle is fine enough for long range shooting. The glass is pretty clear. Comparable to the Sightron of which neither quite as good as the night force. I would mount this to a 1000 yard gun. We did our comparasions at full power and 700 yards. in full day light
I did not look at closer or longer range objects nor different powers. I will do some low light testing later

Eye relief was about the same

Of the three scopes
I rated in order of glass clarity and detail

1. NF
2. Sightron
3. Vortex.
With sightron and vortex very very close

My buddy Greg who is buying a new scope rated

1. NF
2, Vortex
3. Sightron.

He felt Vortex was better than Sightron.

As for the other features.
Vortex has much better turrets, illumination and Zero stops that Sightron does not offer at this time.

The turrets are not nearly as nice as night force but acceptable. The illumination system of multiple settings with an off between each setting is a nice feature. The zero stop feature looks easy to use

The power ring feels better than sightron but not as nice as NF.


There is a lot more testing i still need to do to make a final judgement but so far I am pretty impressed that we get this much scope for the money.

My buddy is on the phone now trying to buy a vortex

I think the new sightrons are addressing some of their short coming witht he new offerings for 2011 but if they raise their price point for the new features I think they might run into trouble competing with the vortex unless they improve the glass too.

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The comparison you are asking for has been done before, it's in a thread titled Vortex PST or Sightron SIII
 
#11
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I have three of them on order now and getting ready to place a call for a fourth. I got to see the 1-4x24 and was really happy. It really made me happy knowing the product line as I did and know that I will have a great time with all of the PST's.

LOL I will have a few scopes that I will need to sell once they are all in and working.
 
#12
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Just sent out a couple of emails trying to locate a 4-16 pst in stock. looks like exactly what i'm looking for at the right price. Wish me luck!
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

One other thing I would of liked is a bit thinner crosshair at the middle, it almost completely hides the 8" circle at 1000 yards on 16x. It barely sticks out past the corners of the crosshair so you can center up on it so is still plenty usable but just something I'd like to have had different.

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This honestly is the only thing that's holding me back from buying a PST. I've shot a Razor and looked at PSTs extensively at SHOT and the thing I keep coming back to is the reticle is really thick. It might be nice if you're shooting low magnification with the FFP, but I shoot almost 99% of the time at max magnification and the reticle is way too coarse for me. Especially at extended ranges.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Notso</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

One other thing I would of liked is a bit thinner crosshair at the middle, it almost completely hides the 8" circle at 1000 yards on 16x. It barely sticks out past the corners of the crosshair so you can center up on it so is still plenty usable but just something I'd like to have had different.

</div></div>

This honestly is the only thing that's holding me back from buying a PST. I've shot a Razor and looked at PSTs extensively at SHOT and the thing I keep coming back to is the reticle is really thick. It might be nice if you're shooting low magnification with the FFP, but I shoot almost 99% of the time at max magnification and the reticle is way too coarse for me. Especially at extended ranges. </div></div>

That is the exact reason I got SFP. I got no problem with size of reticle sighting at 1000 yards. the ffp reticle is much thicker at full magnifaction
 
#16
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The reticle on the 6-24 FFP is thinner than the reticle on the 4-16 FFP. I *might* have gone with the 4-16 were it not for the reticle being so thick. It is one of the few things I dislike about my Razor too. .04 mil would have been plenty.

John
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Notso</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

One other thing I would of liked is a bit thinner crosshair at the middle, it almost completely hides the 8" circle at 1000 yards on 16x. It barely sticks out past the corners of the crosshair so you can center up on it so is still plenty usable but just something I'd like to have had different.

</div></div>

This honestly is the only thing that's holding me back from buying a PST. I've shot a Razor and looked at PSTs extensively at SHOT and the thing I keep coming back to is the reticle is really thick. It might be nice if you're shooting low magnification with the FFP, but I shoot almost 99% of the time at max magnification and the reticle is way too coarse for me. Especially at extended ranges. </div></div>

That is the exact reason I got SFP. I got no problem with size of reticle sighting at 1000 yards. the ffp reticle is much thicker at full magnifaction </div></div>

With the Vortex FFP reticle is the same size in relationship to the target at 6x as it is at 24x. It just looks thicker at 24x, but your target is 24 times larger.

I think both of you have the impression that it is thicker, but in reality it is not.

40gt
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 40gt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[With the Vortex FFP reticle is the same size in relationship to the target at 6x as it is at 24x. It just looks thicker at 24x, but your target is 24 times larger.

I think both of you have the impression that it is thicker, but in reality it is not.

40gt </div></div>

Actually you have it wrong. You are correct that the FFP reticle is same size 6 to 24 in relation to the target,but the SFP reticle is constant never changes. so both scopes at max magnifcation the reticle is 3 time thicker on PST FFP.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shootist87122</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is an 8" circle at 1,000 Yds a common target for LR? </div></div>

In our 1000 yards shoots the xring circle is 10"
 
#21
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SFP reticle thickness.06
sub_viper-pst_624s1-moa_details.jpg


FFP reticle thickness .18
sub_viper-pst_624f1-moa_details.jpg


I think for people who are more concerned with ranging at varing magnifications, FFP is way to go. But for those that shoot Long ranges or do precision BR shooting than reticle thickness is a real concern and SFP shines.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oud272</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want to do BR stuff as well as having FFP, then get the PST 6-24x the reticle width is 0.04mil. </div></div>

SFP reticle is still much thinner than FFP in both the mrad or moa. Vortex web site show 3 times thicker in MOA version and 2 times thicker in mrad. either one is a big enough difference for me.
 
#24
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Good point, the 0.02 mil. width on the SFP reticle (@24x)would be great for paper at distance. A 0.04 reticle would work for me if I could get it on a Razor - just have to wait to see if Vortex comes out with one.
 
#26
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSKevin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for the FFP version, 0.04mil only covers 1.44" at 1000yd if I'm doing my math correctly.</div></div>

Yep...and .06 <.25moa. Can still 1/4 a .5 moa target...even at 1000 yards
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The .06 IS very usable at 1000!
 
#27
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Shootist, the 8" target is one of the targets we have an option to shoot on one of the stages at Rayners long range steel plate matchs. From that position we have 4 options for our 3 shots on that last stage. A full size IPSC worth 5 points (980 yards), a 15" circle worth 10 points (990 yards), a 8" x 12" rectangle worth 15 points (990 yards) or that 8" circle worth 20 points at 1000 yards. If you're hitting good center hits and wind is somewhat calm it may be worth going for higher value target for the win or a higher place finish or miss and get some goose eggs.

We don't usually pick that one in a match unless it's really going well. Was just pointing out that it's a hard target to see with the crosshairs on the 4-16x50 set on 16 power. If I'd be buying them again I'd consider the SFP since we really don't use the range finding at the matches we presently go to. But no one believes we can hit it with our lil guns anyway
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Topstrap
 
#29
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The reticle thickness is not going to be an issue for 98.732% of all users.

People it will affect:

Those who shoot for small groups (probably bought the wrong scope to begin with)

People who try to do too much with one rifle (that would be me).

I reserve the right to shoot tactical matches, hunt, shoot golf balls at 800 yds. and shoot clay pigeons (OK... shoot *at*... but I still gotta see 'em!)at a mile with the same scope. What's wrong with wanting it all?
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John
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The reticle thickness is not going to be an issue for 98.732% of all users.

People it will affect:

Those who shoot for small groups (probably bought the wrong scope to begin with)

John </div></div> I know the defender of the truth would never pull statistics out of his ass so that number must be true:)

I bought my PST precisely to shoot very small groups at long distances. Currently my goto scope is a NF 5.5x 22 with a np r-2 reticle, which is .06 moa thick. which makes the PST SFP reticle pretty much the same in thickness.

For reference S&B (FFP) 5x 25 PMII pf4f reticle is .12 moa. with the PST ffp mrad reticle being .04 mils that equates to .137 moa so I would say the PST FFP reticle thickness compares favorably to high end ffp scopes. So for many people that size reticle should pose no problems what so ever at any range. For me personally since i had a choice went with the thinner reticle more in line with my NF.

There is two sides to the FFP /SFP story. Each OP has to look at features/benefits and decide for them selves what the trades offs are.


 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For reference S&B (FFP) 5x 25 PMII pf4f reticle is .13 moa. with the PST ffp mrad reticle being .04 mils that equates to .137 moa so I would say the PST FFP reticle thickness compares favorably to high end ffp scopes.
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I think you have that wrong. If I'm interpresting the chart below (ref C) correctly, the P4F is actually .013 MOA and .035 mil.

P4F diagram

I looked it up because when you said the S&B P4F compared the same as the PST, I thought there was no way. I have a PMII w/ the P4F and there is NOT way in hell the PST or razor is as thin. I've looked through both side by side and the PST/Razor FFP reticle is much thicker.
 
#32
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I agree that for most people the crosshair thickness on the PST will not be a problem. I was just stating that a lil bit thinner one is something that would of been nice but not a necessity for accurate long range shooting. I can still see a tiny bit of the 8" circle around the crosshair and that is way smaller than most people shoot at including us at the matches unless God is smiling on me that day letting me have a whole bunch of perfect hits.

It's still a great scope and will surprise a lot of high end rifle scope guys with its features.

I don't suffer from brand snobbery and so far it's far more scope than I ever expected to be using on my lil short shooter and I'm very happy with it. Would I ever go to a big dollar scope? I doubt it, I really do enjoy the challenge of competing with "average Joe" type of equipment and being in the running but I'm not entering high dollar matches either. Ya gotta know your gun and it's capabilities and make good use of that better than the fella next to ya to win a match. Good skills and decent equipment will still usually win over big dollars spent with poor skills.

Topstrap
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Notso</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For reference S&B (FFP) 5x 25 PMII pf4f reticle is .13 moa. with the PST ffp mrad reticle being .04 mils that equates to .137 moa so I would say the PST FFP reticle thickness compares favorably to high end ffp scopes.
</div></div>

I think you have that wrong. If I'm interpresting the chart below (ref C) correctly, the P4F is actually .013 MOA and .035 mil.

P4F diagram

I looked it up because when you said the S&B P4F compared the same as the PST, I thought there was no way. I have a PMII w/ the P4F and there is NOT way in hell the PST or razor is as thin. I've looked through both side by side and the PST/Razor FFP reticle is much thicker. </div></div>

That is interesting as the diagram under "C" say's 0.13in/100yd forgot not straight conversion from inches per hundred yards to moa I'll fix the calculation
do you have mrad PST or MOA? I asked because vortex reticle charts show MOA ffp as having .18 moa thickness and mrad as having .137 moa thickness
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know the defender of the truth would never pull statistics out of his ass so that number must be true:)</div></div>

That's pretty funny.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought my PST precisely to shoot very small groups at long distances... ...which makes the PST SFP reticle </div></div>

Sorry, I was referring to the FFP reticle. I was unclear, and as you alluded to above, there is a significant difference in FFP and SFP reticle thickness. I came dangerously close to buying the 6-24 SFP moa/moa for just this very reason.

Perhaps it would help to lay it out like this:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">
<span style="font-weight: bold">Viper PST 4-16</span></span> (reticle thickness in inches at 100 yds. on highest magnification)

SFP mil/mil - .11"
SFP moa/moa - .10"
FFP mil/mil - .22"
FFP moa/moa - .21"

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Viper PST 6-24</span></span> (reticle thickness in inches at 100 yds. on highest magnifcation)

SFP mil/mil - .07"
SFP moa/moa - .06"
FFP mil/mil - .14"
FFP moa/moa - .18"

The only glaring wierdness that I see when I look at it this way, is that all the FFP reticles are 2x of their SFP counterparts, except the 6-24 moa/moa which is 3x. Seems random.

John
 
#36
Re: What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Notso</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For reference S&B (FFP) 5x 25 PMII pf4f reticle is .13 moa. with the PST ffp mrad reticle being .04 mils that equates to .137 moa so I would say the PST FFP reticle thickness compares favorably to high end ffp scopes.
</div></div>

I think you have that wrong. If I'm interpresting the chart below (ref C) correctly, the P4F is actually .013 MOA and .035 mil.

P4F diagram

I looked it up because when you said the S&B P4F compared the same as the PST, I thought there was no way. I have a PMII w/ the P4F and there is NOT way in hell the PST or razor is as thin. I've looked through both side by side and the PST/Razor FFP reticle is much thicker. </div></div>

That is interesting as the diagram under "C" say's 0.13in/100yd forgot not straight conversion from inches per hundred yards to moa I'll fix the calculation
do you have mrad PST or MOA? I asked because vortex reticle charts show MOA ffp as having .18 moa thickness and mrad as having .137 moa thickness </div></div>

I don't have a PST at all, but I've looked through both a PST and a RAZOR side by side with a S&B P4F and it is noticably thicker. I'm going to stick with mil subtensions because my brain doesn't think in MOA. MY 1st time looking through a Razor, my initial reaction was "my gawd, that's a thick reticle".
 
#37
Re: What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know the defender of the truth would never pull statistics out of his ass so that number must be true:)</div></div>

That's pretty funny.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: usmc80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought my PST precisely to shoot very small groups at long distances... ...which makes the PST SFP reticle </div></div>

Sorry, I was referring to the FFP reticle. I was unclear, and as you alluded to above, there is a significant difference in FFP and SFP reticle thickness. I came dangerously close to buying the 6-24 SFP moa/moa for just this very reason.

Perhaps it would help to lay it out like this:
<span style="text-decoration: underline">
<span style="font-weight: bold">Viper PST 4-16</span></span> (reticle thickness in inches at 100 yds. on highest magnification)

SFP mil/mil - .11"
SFP moa/moa - .10"
FFP mil/mil - .22"
FFP moa/moa - .21"

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Viper PST 6-24</span></span> (reticle thickness in inches at 100 yds. on highest magnifcation)

SFP mil/mil - .07"
SFP moa/moa - .06"
FFP mil/mil - .14"
FFP moa/moa - .18"

The only glaring wierdness that I see when I look at it this way, is that all the FFP reticles are 2x of their SFP counterparts, except the 6-24 moa/moa which is 3x. Seems random.

John </div></div>

Well stated and yes the FFP moa seems to be off
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shootist, the 8" target is one of the targets we have an option to shoot on one of the stages at Rayners long range steel plate matchs. From that position we have 4 options for our 3 shots on that last stage. A full size IPSC worth 5 points (980 yards), a 15" circle worth 10 points (990 yards), a 8" x 12" rectangle worth 15 points (990 yards) or that 8" circle worth 20 points at 1000 yards. If you're hitting good center hits and wind is somewhat calm it may be worth going for higher value target for the win or a higher place finish or miss and get some goose eggs.

We don't usually pick that one in a match unless it's really going well. Was just pointing out that it's a hard target to see with the crosshairs on the 4-16x50 set on 16 power. If I'd be buying them again I'd consider the SFP since we really don't use the range finding at the matches we presently go to. But no one believes we can hit it with our lil guns anyway
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Topstrap </div></div>

Thanks and understood. Guess I'll have to quit whining about our 700M gong that's "only" 8" wide.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But no one believes we can hit it with our lil guns anyway
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Hmmm... sounds like it might be time to stretch somebody's box a little.
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Some people just cannot imagine, until they see you do it.

John
 
#40
Re: What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But no one believes we can hit it with our lil guns anyway
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</div></div>

Hmmm... sounds like it might be time to stretch somebody's box a little.
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Some people just cannot imagine, until they see you do it.

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A doubter or believer?

Topstrap
 
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Re: What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A doubter or believer?

Topstrap </div></div>

Me? Believer. That doesn't stretch my paradigm one bit. I figure you wouldn't have posted that if you didn't have something to back it up (well.. that and I've seen some of your other posts, so I had an idea of what you guys could do... so I cheated
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#42
Re: What's the verdict on Vortex PST FFP?

I shot my LMT MWS on the 2nd with a PST 4-16x50 FFP on it. We shot out to 550 yds and the scope did well. No black specks showed up and it tracked fine. So far so good. I am moving it to my 5.56 platform and replacing it with a Vortex Razor, not because I'm unhappy with the PST, but because I needed another scope and have wanted a Razor.
 
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