Re: whats wrong with leupold?
This thread has been very helpful. My second thoughts about Leupold seem to be warranted. Thx.
This thread has been very helpful. My second thoughts about Leupold seem to be warranted. Thx.
Rifle Scopes whats wrong with leupold?
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Re: whats wrong with leupold?
I had a buddy whos dad is color blind. One day we were sitting there talking, another friend of mine asked him "well what color is blue to you?", he answered with "blue". The guy asked him again, "no no no, what color is blue to you?" He again answered "blue". He couldn't get his brain to wrap around the fact that, even though this guy was color blind, blue was still "blue" to him, it may not be "blue" to us, but it was "blue" to him. It was his interpretation of "blue".
My point is, all of our eyes are different. When dealing with lens quality of a scope, the perceived image is going to differ from one person to another and is highly subjective based on our own individual eyes.
All I use are Leupold scopes now. I also think Nikon, Vortex, and many others make very passable scopes. To me though, the Leupolds I have compared to others have always come out on top. (Note, I have not compared them to many of the very high end stuff because I simply cannot afford names like S&B, NF, or USO.....why tease myself.)
Would I rather have one of the higher end scopes like NF? Yes. They have some "bells and whistles" that the Leupys dont have that I would like to take advantage of. But I can get Leupolds at a pretty significant discount, and they do everything ive ever asked them to do. I cannot afford a $1500+ scope NO MATTER WHO makes it.
When people ask me what scope to buy, I tell them I prefer Leupold. But I also tell them to look through as many brands/models as they can get their hands on. Buy what looks best through THEIR eyes, spend what THEY can afford to spend, and tell everyone else to sod off.
I had a buddy whos dad is color blind. One day we were sitting there talking, another friend of mine asked him "well what color is blue to you?", he answered with "blue". The guy asked him again, "no no no, what color is blue to you?" He again answered "blue". He couldn't get his brain to wrap around the fact that, even though this guy was color blind, blue was still "blue" to him, it may not be "blue" to us, but it was "blue" to him. It was his interpretation of "blue".
My point is, all of our eyes are different. When dealing with lens quality of a scope, the perceived image is going to differ from one person to another and is highly subjective based on our own individual eyes.
All I use are Leupold scopes now. I also think Nikon, Vortex, and many others make very passable scopes. To me though, the Leupolds I have compared to others have always come out on top. (Note, I have not compared them to many of the very high end stuff because I simply cannot afford names like S&B, NF, or USO.....why tease myself.)
Would I rather have one of the higher end scopes like NF? Yes. They have some "bells and whistles" that the Leupys dont have that I would like to take advantage of. But I can get Leupolds at a pretty significant discount, and they do everything ive ever asked them to do. I cannot afford a $1500+ scope NO MATTER WHO makes it.
When people ask me what scope to buy, I tell them I prefer Leupold. But I also tell them to look through as many brands/models as they can get their hands on. Buy what looks best through THEIR eyes, spend what THEY can afford to spend, and tell everyone else to sod off.
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
Blue might be blue but if it wont track or hold. Blue could be brown HMMMM what else is brown. I use to be just like u Leupold all the way. Hell i even won several matches with them but i had to get them repaired 3 to 4 times a year. If you want to know what i use now its March or SB
Blue might be blue but if it wont track or hold. Blue could be brown HMMMM what else is brown. I use to be just like u Leupold all the way. Hell i even won several matches with them but i had to get them repaired 3 to 4 times a year. If you want to know what i use now its March or SB
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kill_goose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I cannot afford a $1500+ scope NO MATTER WHO makes it.
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If vortex has gotten the PST right (and we'll know in a couple months for sure) I think it will be the "go-to" scope for people in that price range (not counting used scopes of course).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kill_goose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I cannot afford a $1500+ scope NO MATTER WHO makes it.
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If vortex has gotten the PST right (and we'll know in a couple months for sure) I think it will be the "go-to" scope for people in that price range (not counting used scopes of course).
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blue might be blue but if it wont track or hold. Blue could be brown HMMMM what else is brown. I use to be just like u Leupold all the way. Hell i even won several matches with them but i had to get them repaired 3 to 4 times a year. If you want to know what i use now its March or SB </div></div>
And maybe im lucky, but ive never had issue with them not tracking or holding, going where I told them to go, or going back to zero. Knock on wood.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blue might be blue but if it wont track or hold. Blue could be brown HMMMM what else is brown. I use to be just like u Leupold all the way. Hell i even won several matches with them but i had to get them repaired 3 to 4 times a year. If you want to know what i use now its March or SB </div></div>
And maybe im lucky, but ive never had issue with them not tracking or holding, going where I told them to go, or going back to zero. Knock on wood.
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer.
ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kill_goose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Knock on wood. </div></div>
Pretty much.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kill_goose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Knock on wood. </div></div>
Pretty much.
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer. </div></div>
Send em in, get replacements, sell them on ebay and use the $$$$$ to buy other stuff.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer. </div></div>
Send em in, get replacements, sell them on ebay and use the $$$$$ to buy other stuff.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer. </div></div>
Send em in, get replacements, sell them on ebay and use the $$$$$ to buy other stuff. </div></div> Ok i have 4 8.5X25 Mk4s, 2 3.5X10 MK4s, 1 4.5X14 MK 4. 2 35x comps, 1 40x comp, 2 45x comps. If you want them all there yours for 750 each. I know this is not the for sale section but what the hell. They have all been repaired several times. Ill give you the ser. numbers so u can check with leupold. PM me or feel free to call 940-366-1669
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer. </div></div>
Send em in, get replacements, sell them on ebay and use the $$$$$ to buy other stuff. </div></div> Ok i have 4 8.5X25 Mk4s, 2 3.5X10 MK4s, 1 4.5X14 MK 4. 2 35x comps, 1 40x comp, 2 45x comps. If you want them all there yours for 750 each. I know this is not the for sale section but what the hell. They have all been repaired several times. Ill give you the ser. numbers so u can check with leupold. PM me or feel free to call 940-366-1669
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I'm currently trying to talk my friend out of buying one for his new rifle build. He is dead set on a 8.5-25 VX3 with target knobs for 1200 bucks. I know there are better optics in the 1200 dollar range.
I'm currently trying to talk my friend out of buying one for his new rifle build. He is dead set on a 8.5-25 VX3 with target knobs for 1200 bucks. I know there are better optics in the 1200 dollar range.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm currently trying to talk my friend out of buying one for his new rifle build. He is dead set on a 8.5-25 VX3 with target knobs for 1200 bucks. I know there are better optics in the 1200 dollar range. </div></div>
I just bought on of those for $970. Where is he buying it from that would cost him $230 more than what I paid? Just wondering.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm currently trying to talk my friend out of buying one for his new rifle build. He is dead set on a 8.5-25 VX3 with target knobs for 1200 bucks. I know there are better optics in the 1200 dollar range. </div></div>
I just bought on of those for $970. Where is he buying it from that would cost him $230 more than what I paid? Just wondering.
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I he was looking at it on Leupolds website. I will have to let him know before he blows all that money, or just talk him into a different optic.
I he was looking at it on Leupolds website. I will have to let him know before he blows all that money, or just talk him into a different optic.
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I he was looking at it on Leupolds website. I will have to let him know before he blows all that money, or just talk him into a different optic. </div></div>
Just show him this thread and others like it on here
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I he was looking at it on Leupolds website. I will have to let him know before he blows all that money, or just talk him into a different optic. </div></div>
Just show him this thread and others like it on here
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I just got off the phone with Alan at Leupold. I told him about this thread. Lets see if he shows up and what he has to say or add. But dont hold yalls breath waiting. we will see
I just got off the phone with Alan at Leupold. I told him about this thread. Lets see if he shows up and what he has to say or add. But dont hold yalls breath waiting. we will see
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I wont let this die because i have a box full of scopes that wont work. I say wont work they work for a fw days after they have been repaired.
I wont let this die because i have a box full of scopes that wont work. I say wont work they work for a fw days after they have been repaired.
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
You have to remember Leupold is a mass market scope maker trying to serve the needs of everyone - they must have at least a 100 models and then multitudes of variations on those. Leupold make good scopes that are fit for their purpose, but there are better makers out there.
You have to remember Leupold is a mass market scope maker trying to serve the needs of everyone - they must have at least a 100 models and then multitudes of variations on those. Leupold make good scopes that are fit for their purpose, but there are better makers out there.
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they may make 100 models but i have mark 4 and competitions and all have been back at least 3 times in the past year thats 21 trips and always for the same thing i some older ones that i love but the new ones are CRAP!
they may make 100 models but i have mark 4 and competitions and all have been back at least 3 times in the past year thats 21 trips and always for the same thing i some older ones that i love but the new ones are CRAP!
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sititunga1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have to remember Leupold is a mass market scope maker trying to serve the needs of everyone - they must have at least a 100 models and then multitudes of variations on those. Leupold make good scopes that are fit for their purpose, but there are better makers out there. </div></div>
You make a good point but it is Leupold's decision to make such a wide variety of scopes. There is almost no need for the ridiculous amount of scope lines that they sell. If they want to make a scope for every possible hunting situation/scenario that is fine, but don't take an average hunting scope and plug a Mark 4 tag on it, turn around and sell it for some ridiculous amount.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sititunga1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have to remember Leupold is a mass market scope maker trying to serve the needs of everyone - they must have at least a 100 models and then multitudes of variations on those. Leupold make good scopes that are fit for their purpose, but there are better makers out there. </div></div>
You make a good point but it is Leupold's decision to make such a wide variety of scopes. There is almost no need for the ridiculous amount of scope lines that they sell. If they want to make a scope for every possible hunting situation/scenario that is fine, but don't take an average hunting scope and plug a Mark 4 tag on it, turn around and sell it for some ridiculous amount.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sititunga1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have to remember Leupold is a mass market scope maker trying to serve the needs of everyone - they must have at least a 100 models and then multitudes of variations on those. Leupold make good scopes that are fit for their purpose, but there are better makers out there. </div></div>
You make a good point but it is Leupold's decision to make such a wide variety of scopes. There is almost no need for the ridiculous amount of scope lines that they sell. If they want to make a scope for every possible hunting situation/scenario that is fine, but don't take an average hunting scope and plug a Mark 4 tag on it, turn around and sell it for some ridiculous amount.
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Very Very true. If you look at other manufacturers, let's say Vortex. They have anything from $150 up to $2000, but, when you look at the razor, there's a huge difference over the PST's that have just came out, and the PST is a huge difference over all their others. There's no harm in wanting to appeal to everybody, but not when everybody is paying the price for it. Eventually the people will catch up to it, which in this case has obviously happened.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sititunga1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have to remember Leupold is a mass market scope maker trying to serve the needs of everyone - they must have at least a 100 models and then multitudes of variations on those. Leupold make good scopes that are fit for their purpose, but there are better makers out there. </div></div>
You make a good point but it is Leupold's decision to make such a wide variety of scopes. There is almost no need for the ridiculous amount of scope lines that they sell. If they want to make a scope for every possible hunting situation/scenario that is fine, but don't take an average hunting scope and plug a Mark 4 tag on it, turn around and sell it for some ridiculous amount.
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Very Very true. If you look at other manufacturers, let's say Vortex. They have anything from $150 up to $2000, but, when you look at the razor, there's a huge difference over the PST's that have just came out, and the PST is a huge difference over all their others. There's no harm in wanting to appeal to everybody, but not when everybody is paying the price for it. Eventually the people will catch up to it, which in this case has obviously happened.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eventually the people will catch up to it, which in this case has obviously happened.
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That is just it. I don't think that it will catch up to them completely. Like you mention above, <span style="font-weight: bold">most</span> people here are on to them but the tactical optics market is just a tiny piece of their pie. As long as they have the diehard leupold hunting fans, on which I personally know a handful of, and government contracts they will stay status quo. My friends will not even look at another brand of scope unless its for a shitty .22 pliker or something like that. Hunting rifles get Leupold, no research, no comparison with other optics, Leupold.
Hell, when I purchased my Nikon monarch ucc for my 25-06 a while back on clearance the first question I was asked was "why didn't you get a Leupold?"
Just think.....someone who has been hunting their whole lives suddenly wants to get into long range/tacticool shooting. What are most uninformed buyers going to grab...A Leupold tactical scope and it will stay this way for a long long time if you ask me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eventually the people will catch up to it, which in this case has obviously happened.
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That is just it. I don't think that it will catch up to them completely. Like you mention above, <span style="font-weight: bold">most</span> people here are on to them but the tactical optics market is just a tiny piece of their pie. As long as they have the diehard leupold hunting fans, on which I personally know a handful of, and government contracts they will stay status quo. My friends will not even look at another brand of scope unless its for a shitty .22 pliker or something like that. Hunting rifles get Leupold, no research, no comparison with other optics, Leupold.
Hell, when I purchased my Nikon monarch ucc for my 25-06 a while back on clearance the first question I was asked was "why didn't you get a Leupold?"
Just think.....someone who has been hunting their whole lives suddenly wants to get into long range/tacticool shooting. What are most uninformed buyers going to grab...A Leupold tactical scope and it will stay this way for a long long time if you ask me.
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i got 4 mark 4 the first one shot 2 times sent it back and shot 7 times before it took a crap and now it has started shooting high my othe two have been back 2 or 3 times in a year still in the box
i got 4 mark 4 the first one shot 2 times sent it back and shot 7 times before it took a crap and now it has started shooting high my othe two have been back 2 or 3 times in a year still in the box
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tarzan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if he is color blind how does he know what blue is </div></div>
off topic but...
someone that is colorblind has probably been that way all their life. the shade of grey that they were told as a child is "blue" is their blue. we see it as actually blue, but so do they, in their eyes.
looking forward to seeing if the leupold guy actually chimes in. you know damn well vortex would, probably nightforce too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tarzan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if he is color blind how does he know what blue is </div></div>
off topic but...
someone that is colorblind has probably been that way all their life. the shade of grey that they were told as a child is "blue" is their blue. we see it as actually blue, but so do they, in their eyes.
looking forward to seeing if the leupold guy actually chimes in. you know damn well vortex would, probably nightforce too.
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