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... trying to figure out when we started using them for aiming small arms ...
Thanks.We had A/N PVS-5 goggles in Ranger School in 1981 (one or two per squad). PVS-5s and the A/N PAQ-4 laser was SF issue in the late 80s (86-87).
We had A/N PVS-5 goggles in Ranger School in 1981 (one or two per squad). PVS-5s and the A/N PAQ-4 laser was SF issue in the late 80s (86-87).
PVS-7 was coming in by 1990. By OIF in 2003 the PEQ-2 was starting to replace the PAQ-4 in Big, Ponderous Army.
There was the PAQ-4 aiming light (not the PAQ-4C laser) but like a narrow light IR beam that was around by at least the early 90's, possibly earlier.
First time I saw a handheld thermal was 2006 and it was next to worthless. Of course there were good vehicle thermal sights well before that.
During Desert Storm, the Airborne guys we were housed with had NV scopes on their SAW's.
We had thermal scopes for the 240's in 2002 I think, snipers got 'em around the same time (but you had to take the day scope off to use these). I can't recall the nomenclature, black hot/white hot, maybe 4x? 6x?, it was nice and we all got to play with it. It was new, so whatever it was would have been the best available at that time I'd imagine. I was out before they got issued the PSQ20's but they got those pretty quick too, the thermal/IR monocular.
We had thermal black hot/white hot for driving the Stryker and those had pretty good depth perception, a 7x thermal on the RWS gun mount along with a day camera that went up to 26x IIRC. Then the LRAS in the scout vehicle had a thermal/day cam that could read a license plate from miles away or even ID the driver. It was only limited by the curvature of the Earth. Badass piece of gear, it was big as fuck and took up a lot of room and had to be taken down to drive around. I understand they've made these a LOT smaller now.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't tell the difference in performance between any of them. They all worked great. The LRAS is a different story, but it's also a $1million+ piece of surveillance gear.
We were given PEQ2's to put on the SAWs at night and had PVS14's. The problem with mounting anything on a SAW is the damn rail is on the feed tray cover like a 240. It moves around. A lot.
Meh, I'm channeling my inner Veer tonight...Yes, we were both wrong, I knew that word did not look right!!!
That is so freaking awesomeWell as MarineePMI said, we started using night vision for aiming small arms in korea.
Here's the German version from WWII
And here's the US version from Korea ...
And I've seen a few folks refurbing the US units ... not sure I've seen any one claim to get one to work yet, but I've seen people trying.
Those were probably the old TVS-2B's.Air force 1983 to 1987, we had 50's with night sights at that time,, but they were only really for tripod supported weapons. Or the APC's we used to patrol around out alert aircraft and weapons storage area.
We had goggles ,, they were kinda bulky but I scored a ride along with our rescue guys one in a helicopter and got to wear a pair since it was a night practice mission.. I dont recall ever seeing the goggles anywhere but attached to a helicopter. May have been a power issue..
I'd guess it was 1986...
FT Ord was awesome. I was never stationed there but I have been there. Wish they had never closed the place.Just came across this post. Around 1990-91 I was stationed at Fort Ord CA with 1-9 Infantry. We were light Infantry and worked counter drug as part of JTF-6 (under Bush).
At the time we were told we were the first regular unit to employ the PAQ-2’s.
From what I recall the device mounted to the carry handle of the M16A2 an placed the device on the left front hand guard, later their was a front sight/barrel mount.
The device was a tube, about like the handle of a 2D Maglight without the head (PEQ-4 like). While the laser had range, it was effective out to a max of 100 meters. Their was a bore sighter that we used at night and the PAQ 2 would be spun in the barrel, while another soldier adjusted it to make a dot vs a circle.
We figured out the system rather well, but the issue was the offset mount and bore axis, combined with a beam that was a large cone.
At close range 25 meters you got a small dot, but had to hold over. At 100 M with a perfect zero, you had a 3-4” beam and would get about a 2-4” group when in the prone and braced. We learned to just zero for 75 meters and shoot unsupported center mass.
Later I was issued/used the PAQ-4C, PEQ-2, and PEQ-15, and each was much better.
I played the Nor Cal HS golf finals on Black Horse there. Both it and Bayonet are great golf courses.FT Ord was awesome. I was never stationed there but I have been there. Wish they had never closed the place.
The Dragon and TOW sights sucked back in the day. More like blobs versus detail. I still remember the old Bradley (before the A3). Those thermals really sucked!! The new stuff is incredible.Thermal-wise, on the DMZ in Korea (1982-1984) we used the TOW and Dragon night sights for area surveillance, which were problematic in the winter when ambient temperatures dropped and affected the nitrogen-cooled systems. We also had a hand-held A/N PAS-7 which was not really user-friendly.
We were in the big leagues when the Army introduced the PAS-13.