When do you carry.

[damit]

Re: When do you carry.

Whenever I leave the house. At the house, I dont carry, but have them strategically placed around the house.

 

[Redmanss]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: damitboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever I leave the house. At the house, I dont carry, but have them strategically placed around the house.</div></div> Mine is strategically placed on my hip and follows me everywhere I go in my house. I believe the best weapon to have in a fight is the one on you, not the one hidden a couple rooms away or even a couple yards away.

Fred is spot on too.

 

[chris223]

Re: When do you carry.

Here in the P.R.I also known as The peoples republic of Illinois
We are not trusted to carry a pistol so a basic load out for my car is
1. firemans axe
2. hatchet
3. sledgehammer
4. 5 gal bleach to decon after contact.
5. rubber gloves

 

[DODGE268]

Re: When do you carry.

Point blank, our firearms qual takes me 1min 20 sec to finish. Multiply that by four and that is the total of time spent with a firearm required by my department in a year. How long do you think it would take for me to get "hundreds" of hours of training at that rate? Your argument would have been much more valid if you had substituted a car for a gun. There are way more jackasses out there with a car killing people. As for the legal aspect, how much time do you think I get to decide if it's a good shoot or not. If you point a gun, or what I percieve as a weapon at me or my family I am going to fire until slide lock, reload and evaluate. That's the way the world works. Don't start nothin, won't be nothin.
Patrick

 

[1911fan]

Re: When do you carry.

I carry all the time I can, even around the house. I live in a pretty rural area and used to think having a couple stashed around the house was good enough. This summer we had a home invasion less than a mile from me; homeowner got beaten pretty badly. Got a pistol on my hip as I type.
I'm not paranoid, but prepared. I'm so used to having a pistol on me that I feel weird when I have to leave it off for some reason.

1911fan

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

Re: When do you carry.

Alot of people on here have been saying how they think training should be mandatory. Who would you have regulate what is acceptable training?
I carry every time I get my clothes on, and if I hear something I night I might be carrying without my clothes on.

The Second Amendment is not being applied to us as it was written. If it was there would be no laws for carrying open, concealed, or otherwise.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Lets just look at two key words here keep and bear
Keep:Verb:To hold; to restrain from departure or removal; not to let
go of; to retain in one's power or possession; not to
lose; to retain; to detain.
[1913 Webster]
Bear:Verb:To support or sustain; to hold up.
[1913 Webster]

2. To support and remove or carry; to convey.
[1913 Webster]

So if these so called intellectuals would read it as it were meant to be read, most all of these so called common sense gun laws would be Unconstitutional. Save those of the mentally handicapped, and convicted felons. I don't think that anyone who can think for themselves should be denied the right of defending their own life by being denied access to a Firearm.

 

[M Parkini]

Re: When do you carry.

Like others have said I carry whenever I leave the compound-or I'm in lycra. While at the compound I am steps away.

 

[Guest]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: varmint6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here in the P.R.I also known as The peoples republic of Illinois
We are not trusted to carry a pistol so a basic load out for my car is
1. firemans axe
2. hatchet
3. sledgehammer
4. 5 gal bleach to decon after contact.
5. rubber gloves
</div></div>

Wow.......just wow.....

 

[Longshot38]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crazy bay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body">very rarely.

this topic is one near and dear to me. i know a few people that carry a gun every where they go and they are the least qualified people to be carrying a gun. It bothers me so much that i make a point to be an ass about it. i work with them every day and when i see there gun tucked into there belt i always make a smart ass comment to the like you know i can take that gun out of your belt and beat you with it before you even have time to react. I brought my .45 in on day and let them soot it the one guy was 10 ft away from a 2 liter bottle and missed it by more than 3 ft the other guy is like 5'5" and 120lbs and is afraid of his own shadow. my point here is just because you state allows you to carry does not qualify you to carry.

my personal thought is all states should allow you to carry BUT unlike our state it should be a lot more involved than taking a class and watching a few videos. it should require quarterly qualification a minimum of 1 hour a month logged at the range and an advanced shooting class at least once every 2 years.

the other day a guy came up to the shop because his car broke down in front of the shop. because the guy was black one of the guys i am talking about comes running down the stairs with his gun behind his back safety off and his finger on the trigger. he meets the guy at the door holding his gun behind his back the entire time with his finger on the trigger. after the guy left i went off i asked why he need a gun to talk to the guy and if he gave any thought to the 3 people working behind him while he held a loaded gun pointed in there direction with his finger on the trigger.

sorry for my rant i can go on and on its not about the rite to carry its about being QUALIFIED </div></div>

+1 on the above rant. While IL is still a no-carry state, it has always been of great concern to me when comparing requirements for CCW in some states versus the HUNDREDS of hours a police officer must qualify with a weapon, evaluate stressful situations, interpreting the law and proper application of force and deadly force. Now consider that a staggering amount of officers in this country are deficient in 1 or more of those areas. I don't want to consider how many guys are out there carrying weapons they are not proficient with, for the wrong reasons, and with no idea of what consequences could await them if/when they fuck up.

That said, I carry as logistics and circumstance deem it to be reasonable. I recall speaking with a (former) fellow officer about his vacation plans. He scratched California from his road trip because he "couldn't figure out a viable option for carrying his Glock 27 concealed at the beach." No point in staying alive if you cant live.

</div></div>

That is some of the stupidest shit I have read for the past few days. Of course, these two arguments would be coming from someone in Illinois and Delaware...

So, basically, what I read from epdesign, was that you dont carry because you know some dumb asses that do. That alone, is retarded, and doesn't make any sense. Just take comfort in knowing that you have, "...the rite to carry," because you are, "QUALIFIED"

Also, to say that LE spend "HUNDREDS" of hours qualifying and practicing, is ridiculous. Do you even know anyone in Law Enforcement, Pointblank? </div></div>


take comfort in knowing i am qualifed huh. are you retarded, slow, stupid, what the fuck is me being qualifid going to to for me and my family if i am walking through a mall parking lot and one of my 3 kids drops dead from a stray bullet to the head because some dumb ass THOUGHT he was qualified to carry. i am one of the most PRO gun people and gun rights people you will ever meat. i am not PRO-STUPID just because you are qualified to breath does not mean you are qualified to carry. i dont carry because i can handle my self quite well and if the above happend i would not need a gun to quickly dispatch the person responsable. i dont carry 24/7 becaus i dont need a security blanket and im well endowed enough not to have to compensate. and when i do carry YES!! i am qualifed. </div></div>

So what you are saying is that our constitutional rights (and god given rights, because the founders saw the rights granted to us by the bill of rights as god given) should be limited/restricted by the government because something <span style="font-weight: bold">MIGHT</span> go wrong. Look bad shit happens every day, I know this because my profession requires me to clean up the mess after it does, if we allow ourselves to start stripping our constitutional rights away from one another because of this fear then we truly have lost sight of the principal which we founded this country upon.

I am all about education and training but simple fact of the matter is that the bill of right allows the citizens of this country to exercise our rights without having to prove a thing other then being US citizens. Going on the principals of your statement we should only be able to exercise our first amendment rights if they don't offend someone. And only be protected against illegal search and seizure after the government has determined that you are not a threat. So yes it is scary that some people are walking around with a pistol on their hip, but my rights can not and should not be infringed upon based on that simple truth.

 

[Guest]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So what you are saying is that our constitutional rights (and god given rights, because the founders saw the rights granted to us by the bill of rights as god given) should be limited/restricted by the government because something <span style="font-weight: bold">MIGHT</span> go wrong. Look bad shit happens every day, I know this because my profession requires me to clean up the mess after it does, if we allow ourselves to start stripping our constitutional rights away from one another because of this fear then we truly have lost sight of the principal which we founded this country upon.

I am all about education and training but simple fact of the matter is that the bill of right allows the citizens of this country to exercise our rights without having to prove a thing other then being US citizens. Going on the principals of your statement we should only be able to exercise our first amendment rights if they don't offend someone. And only be protected against illegal search and seizure after the government has determined that you are not a threat. So yes it is scary that some people are walking around with a pistol on their hip, but my rights can not and should not be infringed upon based on that simple truth. </div></div>



If we're going to play the "by your logic" game, you would do away with the concept of a driver's license.

You can't tell me you've ever been driving and said to yourself: "That sumbitch shouldn't be allowed to drive" or "How'd that jackass ever get a license"

If you haven't, you've either:
a) Never driven
b) Are that "sumbitch" or "jackass"

But you say "That's a privilege not a right! It's totally different!"

What is a right ? A privilege to which someone is entitled (assuming you can match the appropriate definition to context). Sounds like something that is given and just as easily stripped.

Make no mistake anything that is given, is just as easily taken away. If you don't think so, do a google search for Japanese-American citizens in the 1940's, African-Americans in the 1960's, and just plain women in history. Rights come and go, and vary state to state, county to county, town to town. Can we please get some new ammo for this than always falling back on the 2nd amendment and our founding fathers. It's tired. If you don't think so, look at this whole CNBC/Remington fiasco. Idiots are ruining the party for EVERYONE. Thankfully, Remington got off their ass and made a logical case for themselves. Unfortunately, it won't get the same attention as the CNBC story. It sure beats them going out, thumping their chests and muttering cliche's about the 2nd Amendment and founding fathers.

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crazy bay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DODGE268</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a cop. I carry all the time. I wish more people did. I really get ass chapped when other cops talk about all of the "requirements" they meet to carry. Some of the guys I work with are gun geek, gear queer guys like me. The majority only shoot when they have to and can hardly hit a bull in the ass when they do. Buy a gun. Learn to use it. Practice as much as you can afford. Hope you never have to find out if the practice pays off.
Patrick</div></div>

Solid words, sir. </div></div>

I preached those same words (Minus the "I am a cop" part on a few articles locally.

I carry everywhere now, 3 robberies within half a mile of my house.

One should also have it readily available in whatever room of their house they are in.
Have been watching too much TV but most home invasion robberies happen FAST....

I have a bokken (Wooden training sword) that I train with and I leave it in the living room b ecause I train with it, but it is within reach of the front door and god help an yone that gets whacked with this thing, by me especially.

Ted Nugent preaches a hand gun for each room, in the event of a home invasion you'll have the ability to defend your house...

 

[Longshot38]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So what you are saying is that our constitutional rights (and god given rights, because the founders saw the rights granted to us by the bill of rights as god given) should be limited/restricted by the government because something <span style="font-weight: bold">MIGHT</span> go wrong. Look bad shit happens every day, I know this because my profession requires me to clean up the mess after it does, if we allow ourselves to start stripping our constitutional rights away from one another because of this fear then we truly have lost sight of the principal which we founded this country upon.

I am all about education and training but simple fact of the matter is that the bill of right allows the citizens of this country to exercise our rights without having to prove a thing other then being US citizens. Going on the principals of your statement we should only be able to exercise our first amendment rights if they don't offend someone. And only be protected against illegal search and seizure after the government has determined that you are not a threat. So yes it is scary that some people are walking around with a pistol on their hip, but my rights can not and should not be infringed upon based on that simple truth. </div></div>



If we're going to play the "by your logic" game, you would do away with the concept of a driver's license.

You can't tell me you've ever been driving and said to yourself: "That sumbitch shouldn't be allowed to drive" or "How'd that jackass ever get a license"

If you haven't, you've either:
a) Never driven
b) Are that "sumbitch" or "jackass"

But you say "That's a privilege not a right! It's totally different!"

What is a right ? A privilege to which someone is entitled (assuming you can match the appropriate definition to context). Sounds like something that is given and just as easily stripped.

Make no mistake anything that is given, is just as easily taken away. If you don't think so, do a google search for Japanese-American citizens in the 1940's, African-Americans in the 1960's, and just plain women in history. Rights come and go, and vary state to state, county to county, town to town. Can we please get some new ammo for this than always falling back on the 2nd amendment and our founding fathers. It's tired. If you don't think so, look at this whole CNBC/Remington fiasco. Idiots are ruining the party for EVERYONE. Thankfully, Remington got off their ass and made a logical case for themselves. Unfortunately, it won't get the same attention as the CNBC story. It sure beats them going out, thumping their chests and muttering cliche's about the 2nd Amendment and founding fathers.

</div></div>

As you stated. Driving is not a right, is a privilege that is not constitutional protected. Following your logic then we might as well do away with on constitution because it is old and tired. Yes rights can be restricted if abused, that is something that clearly acceptable by US law. However taking rights away based on the fact that something might happen defies law and logic. Think of it like this. My profession is in emergency medicine. And I can arrive on a scene and tell a patient that they will die if they do not choose to be treated or transported, however they still have the right to refuse. There is nothing I can do about that because it is a right they have. On the other hand if the patient has taken an action such as attempting to harm themselves or expressed an intention to do so that right no longer exist. The right went away because of an action of the patient. It does not go away because the I think the patient is in danger.

I have no problem with requiring people to take a class to obtain a CHL or even a proficiently requirement at the time of the class. This is even allowed by the constitution. However any thing further is not covered by the constitution.

So please in the future if you don't care to use the supreme law of the land, the US Constitution, then don't even bother with any additional agreements based on law. Remember that every police officer, solider, and public offical in this country has sworn to up hold it, and it allows for all the freedoms that us as citizens enjoy.

 

[Guest]

Re: When do you carry.

Longshot,
Your reading comprehension is for shit. A "right" is by definition a "privilege". By the law of the land, you once had the right to drink alcohol, then for a period you didn't, and then you could again. See how quickly it can come and go....all over the period of a few years.



Moving on.....

If ever police officer has sworn to uphold the law, how does it work when an officer in IL arrests someone for Unlawful Use of a Weapon (unlawfully carrying a concealed or restricted weapon) or Armed Violence? Are you saying that the officer is in violation of federal law by upholding state law?


If we want to run scenarios consider this for a police officer:

I'm in a person's house for a domestic. I ask the residents if there are any kids, animals(dogs), or guns in the house. The resident says yes. Better yet, let's say he has a loaded pistol/shotgun/rifle sitting out on the table in front of him.
Am I in violation of his rights if my partner secures the gun if for some reason (children/other residents) the involved parties can not be moved to a more secure location. His house, his gun. Do you feel the resident's rights have been infringed upon?

 

[Longshot38]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Moving on.....

If ever police officer has sworn to uphold the law, how does it work when an officer in IL arrests someone for Unlawful Use of a Weapon (unlawfully carrying a concealed or restricted weapon) or Armed Violence? Are you saying that the officer is in violation of federal law by upholding state law?


If we want to run scenarios consider this for a police officer:

I'm in a person's house for a domestic. I ask the residents if there are any kids, animals(dogs), or guns in the house. The resident says yes. Better yet, let's say he has a loaded pistol/shotgun/rifle sitting out on the table in front of him.
Am I in violation of his rights if my partner secures the gun if for some reason (children/other residents) the involved parties can not be moved to a more secure location. His house, his gun. Do you feel the resident's rights have been infringed upon? </div></div>

For the first part. The answer is a definitive no. The 2nd Amendment states:

<span style="font-style: italic">A well regulated milita being nessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.</span>

Thus the government has the right to regulate the militia (by legal definition a militia member is a US citizen between the ages of 18 and 45). Thus the militia member with the illegal weapon took a specific action that violated the law thus allowing for the action of LEO.

On the scenario front. The example I gave was not a scenario but an everyday reality in my job and it shows practical application of the law. As for your scenario. An officer in this situation has the right to secure the weapons while on scene and investigating a crime and can in fact seize weapons present for investigative purposes provided they find additional evidence of a crime. This scenario hits on two constitutional issues covering both the 2nd and 5th amendments.

 

[Guest]

Re: When do you carry.

So, you're telling me that anyone who is armed and of age is "militia"?

What if the firearm is not illegal, just the when/how it's carried? IL state law states: NO CCW

And while your actions in the scenario are correct, turn the tables and be the resident. Your gun, your house. Surely you would sing another tune. I never said the firearm was part of any crime. Nor was it being seized. He has the right to the firearm, right?


I'm just looking for some consistency in your arguments

 

[Longshot38]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, you're telling me that anyone who is armed and of age is "militia"?</div></div>

By legal definition yes. If you read the US legal code you will find the definition of a militia member just as I described. People don't realize this but any US citizen between the ages of 18 and 45 fits the legal definition of a militia member

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What if the firearm is not illegal, just the when/how it's carried? IL state law states: NO CCW</div></div>

The firearm may not be illegal but the actions taken by the individual and yes, militia member, were in fact illegal which allows for restriction of individual rights until the matter is resolved.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And while your actions in the scenario are correct, turn the tables and be the resident. Your gun, your house. Surely you would sing another tune. I never said the firearm was part of any crime. Nor was it being seized. He has the right to the firearm, right?</div></div>

Nor did I say the firearm was part of the crime. Just that LEO has the right to seize property if it part of crime scene. So if a violent crime occurred at a residence then the officer has every right to seize the property as part of the investigation. However if no evidence of wrong doing is found the the property must be returned. As for turning the tables and putting me in the residence shoes. Well I will be as clear as I can. I have no issue of LEO doing their job provided they do no violate the law and or my right. Being as connected to the public safety community as I am I see things from both sides of the fence. And I want the LEO to be able to do their jobs. Thus no I would not be singing a different tune.

 

[MKSMN]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: epdesign</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my thoughts on qualifications were just brain storming. It may be a bit much to ask for an hour of range time per month but it is far from unrealistic to ask for a quarterly qualification and an advanced firearms class every 2 years. </div></div>

Actually, yes, it is. The problem is that you open to door to a slippery slope, upon which your Mayor Daley would promptly make the requirement an hour a week and a $100,000 insurance policy, and a mandatory monthly home inspection of your gun safe and storage techniques, and whatever else suits his pea-brained anti-gun fantasies.

 

[Guest]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, you're telling me that anyone who is armed and of age is "militia"?</div></div>

By legal definition yes. If you read the US legal code you will find the definition of a militia member just as I described. People don't realize this but any US citizen between the ages of 18 and 45 fits the legal definition of a militia member

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What if the firearm is not illegal, just the when/how it's carried? IL state law states: NO CCW</div></div>

The firearm may not be illegal but the actions taken by the individual and yes, militia member, were in fact illegal which allows for restriction of individual rights until the matter is resolved.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And while your actions in the scenario are correct, turn the tables and be the resident. Your gun, your house. Surely you would sing another tune. I never said the firearm was part of any crime. Nor was it being seized. He has the right to the firearm, right?</div></div>

Nor did I say the firearm was part of the crime. Just that LEO has the right to seize property if it part of crime scene. So if a violent crime occurred at a residence then the officer has every right to seize the property as part of the investigation. However if no evidence of wrong doing is found the the property must be returned. As for turning the tables and putting me in the residence shoes. Well I will be as clear as I can. I have no issue of LEO doing their job provided they do no violate the law and or my right. Being as connected to the public safety community as I am I see things from both sides of the fence. And I want the LEO to be able to do their jobs. Thus no I would not be singing a different tune. </div></div>


And i'm sure Mr. Beatwife will be very understanding and very open to explanation and will hand it over without a fuss. And when in one's home an officer has to be very careful how he articulates and explains this in terms of the 4th (not 5th as you put) Amendment with using the terms "search" or "seizure". As you well know that these upstanding citizens "know ma rights" and make it well known to all within earshot.

Now suppose this isn't a domestic situation. Suppose it's a welfare check, noise complaint, field interview, etc. Suppose it's at your house and you're across from the officer with a gun on your hip. Do you feel that you should have to remove the weapon if the officer insists?

 

[Longshot38]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And i'm sure Mr. Beatwife will be very understanding and very open to explanation and will hand it over without a fuss. And when in one's home an officer has to be very careful how he articulates and explains this in terms of the 4th (not 5th as you put) Amendment with using the terms "search" or "seizure". As you well know that these upstanding citizens "know ma rights" and make it well known to all within earshot.

Now suppose this isn't a domestic situation. Suppose it's a welfare check, noise complaint, field interview, etc. Suppose it's at your house and you're across from the officer with a gun on your hip. Do you feel that you should have to remove the weapon if the officer insists?

</div></div>

I never said everyone would willingly comply. So you are correct that an LEO needs to be very clear in what he is saying and explaining on scene.

On the note of other scenarios, we can make those up all day. But the simplest terms of this are that you do not have to let an officer in your home. Say he shows up for an interview, welfare check, noise complaint, etc.... You do not have to let the officer in your home unless they has a search warrant. On the other hand, if you do let them in your home anything withing plain sight is fair game in terms of evidence. However you can ask them leave at any time and restrict where in your home they go. As for you visibly wearing your sidearm in your home (that is not a crime scene) you have no obligation surrender your firearm.

 

[Guest]

Re: When do you carry.

I'm very well aware of what an officer can and can not do. Evidence, warrants, and the like. I'm merely asking if you feel that it is reasonable to acquiesce to an officer's request to remove or temporarily surrender a sidearm should he/she feel an issue of officer safety may exist? Since you are so well versed in police procedure.

 

[Longshot38]

Re: When do you carry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm very well aware of what an officer can and can not do. Evidence, warrants, and the like. I'm merely asking if you feel that it is reasonable to acquiesce to an officer's request to remove or temporarily surrender a sidearm should he/she feel an issue of officer safety may exist? Since you are so well versed in police procedure.


</div></div>

Personally I think the request is appropriate however in such a situation I would not surrender the sidearm, However I would be willing to remove and secure the sidearm elsewhere in my home.

 

[macthknife]

Re: When do you carry.

Carrying right now. Even watching the tube. S&W Gunsite 1911 is always on My hip.

 

[hyoslvr]

Re: When do you carry.

I don't carry near as often as I should. And it's a shame because I live in a state with good gun laws. Every once in a blue moon I decide to carry that day.

 

[Shrike]

Re: When do you carry.

My wife carries more than I do because she works in real estate and shows property to strangers daily. I can't carry to work but carry elsewhere where legal. 6 burlaries within my neighborhood in the last 2 months alone. Can't be too careful. Even if I don't shoot, if they come in my house when I'm home, they'll be in for a suprise when they're looking down the barrel of my gun. Unfortunately, NM laws don't permit the use of deadly force for property theft like they do in Texas.

*edited to add
I was recently at a gas station filling up when a couple gangster lookin' guys started yelling at me, "hey, guy! come over here!". I didn't have my gun on me. I just ignored them and drove off, but it got me thinking I should start carrying more often.

 

[marduk185]

Re: When do you carry.

just thinkin and wondrin why any jackwagon retard can have kids with no qualification, but if ya wanna defend yer family yer supposed to be "qualified?"