Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

#51
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jesse Tischauser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The answer, I'm told at least, is to load the exact number of rounds needed for the COF into your mags. That way the bolt will lock to the rear on it's own and you don't "lose" any rounds. </div></div>

This is brilliant advice!!! Especially since I don't ever plan to miss. LOL! </div></div>

I know... but it's the best technique I've heard of so far to adhere to the rules. Apparently, SNIPERS are less safe with their firearms then 3 GUNNERS!

And... dude, you know that SNIPERS don't miss Right??
 
#52
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hoser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you just wanted to throw a bunch of cash at it for a fast fix, buy a off the shelf rifle from Surgeon, GAP or AI in 6.5 CM or 260. Toss a decent scope on top and get some quality training.

Grab me at Mystery Mountain. We can talk more then. </div></div>

I think I may need to go the toss a bunch of cash at it route like I did when i got into 3 gun. I hate buying something to save money only to spend what you should have later on. I am sure this sport is like 3 gun in that my preferences will continually change for years to come. I also like having a great kit right away so I can blame nothing but myelf when I fail.

I wish I could shoot Mystery Mountain. I am too busy at work that time of year to get away. I may try to shoot it in one day with the RO's if I can pull it off.

Thanks for the advice.
 
#53
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

FYI not all that shoot beyond 300 yds. are "snipers", targets shot at extended ranges don't necessarily qualify as "sniper" targets. I don't think most comps are regarded as "sniper" matches. Proficiency at extended ranges does not make one a "sniper".
 
#54
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

OP, there is alot of misinformation on here. All you need is a mossberg nightrain in 308. Also evrything you need to now about sniping, can be learned by playing Call of Duty. But only on the PS3, the XBOX doesnt take into account corialis efftect. Thats what I did, and I'm effing legit.

Seriously though, I drop bodys...all...day...long
 
#55
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

Guys, before you start REALLY looking like assclowns and throwing out the "So you want to be a sniper" bullshit...
You may want to Google "Jesse Tischauser"
I'll give a hint:
Top 50 NATIONALLY ranked 3 gunner

Jesse,
Everything you need to know was answered in the 11'th post.
Pick Tony's brain.

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#56
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

I think if you can get yourself set up with a good rifle, optic and quality ammunition and start shooting you will be well on your way. I started off with a "starter" rifle and educated myself as I went. I jumped into practical precision rifle matches in my area and that greatly sped my learning curve.

I'm a visual/hands on learner so it worked out well for me to read, reasearch, then head to the range and make it work, if it didn't I would go back and trouble shoot things to try and idenitify my mistake. That creates a wrinkle in your brain and next thing you know things will start adding up.

I'm sure Tony can point you in the right direction but I wouldn't limit myself to just his opinion.
 
#58
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jesse Tischauser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Must one reload starting out or is there ammo good enough on the shelf to compete with?

Does anyone win with "factory" ammo? </div></div>

Get a Surgeon in 6.5 creedmoor.

This combo has won the last 2 Sniper's Hide cups.

Enough said.
 
#60
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JPipes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's all well and good, but most matches I've been a part of require movement within the stage, i.e. engage target...bolt back mag out...move to firing position #2...insert mag, strip round,...engage target...etc...etc... until time or end of stage. Much faster with one 10 rd mag. </div></div>

I hope that's not the case... are you saying if I had a 10rd AR mag it would be easier? </div></div>

I think he's trying to say that with a bolt gun and 10 round mags all you have to do is open the bolt for movement which is faster than going through all that nonsense with the semiauto which wastes a lot of time.
 
#61
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JPipes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's all well and good, but most matches I've been a part of require movement within the stage, i.e. engage target...bolt back mag out...move to firing position #2...insert mag, strip round,...engage target...etc...etc... until time or end of stage. Much faster with one 10 rd mag. </div></div>

I hope that's not the case... are you saying if I had a 10rd AR mag it would be easier? </div></div>

I think he's trying to say that with a bolt gun and 10 round mags all you have to do is open the bolt for movement which is faster than going through all that nonsense with the semiauto which wastes a lot of time. </div></div>

Steve,
We discussed this a while back and the general consensus was that the benefits of running a semi auto were (at least) a wash.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...122#Post2854122

As I stated in the OP the GAP 10 Match Rifle Idea thread got me thinking about it.
 
#62
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

PM Sent.
Your welcome to come shoot with us.
We live in Edmond also.
Some of the best rifle builders are right here in OK. Surgeon and Beanland are both top notch. We also have some of the top shooters that will all help you out.
Wade S. is one of the best shooters around and is a good teacher.
Shoot me an email and I will trade you some 'sniper' tips if you can teach me to shoot my pistol worth a damn.
 
#63
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JPipes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's all well and good, but most matches I've been a part of require movement within the stage, i.e. engage target...bolt back mag out...move to firing position #2...insert mag, strip round,...engage target...etc...etc... until time or end of stage. Much faster with one 10 rd mag. </div></div>

I hope that's not the case... are you saying if I had a 10rd AR mag it would be easier? </div></div>

I think he's trying to say that with a bolt gun and 10 round mags all you have to do is open the bolt for movement which is faster than going through all that nonsense with the semiauto which wastes a lot of time. </div></div>

Steve,
We discussed this a while back and the general consensus was that the benefits of running a semi auto were (at least) a wash.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...122#Post2854122

As I stated in the OP the GAP 10 Match Rifle Idea thread got me thinking about it. </div></div>

Mostly pointing it out for those that don't understand.

I missed that thread but was partaker of another similar thread.

I've experienced being in the predicament of shooting in practical precision matches with my AR with these rules being enforced 3 different ways. It does get a bit confusing and is a pain in the ass to carry a bunch of mags.

IMO, if a competitor can't put the safety on,keep his finger out of the trigger guard and keep within the 180 plane then they need to be immediately DQ'ed. Nothing personal,it's for safety's sake. Heck I've been DQ'ed once and learned from it.

While were on the subject. At the last match I was at there was an AD with a bolt gun when a guy got into position to shoot and accidentally touched the trigger. Come to think about it, and sadly enough, AD's/DQ's usually happen with a bolt gun. Of course most of the guys are running their bolt action so the odds are much higher for them to have a accident.

Usually is a wash but not always
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#64
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

I haven't done a Precision match but I've done a bunch of IDPA and a BUNCH of running and gunning in the Army.

I'd like to try some Precision with both. I'd prefer an AR platform (I think shooting multiple targets with out having to manually operate the action is more ideal) but I'm very comfortable with both. It just seems that the rules favor the bolt gun to a certain extent. Kind of like International Judo. You can specialize in Newaza (ground work) but the rules don't favor it so, you betta know some THROWS!
 
#66
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

Jesse look at the surgeon 6.5 or larue obr in 7.62. Both shoot lights out and at our last shoot the obr's were hanging in there at 1000 plus.

Magpul has precision rifle training with instructor Caylen Wojcik, he's been there, done that and can break it down to you. Lots of good instruction out there but try to stick with one until you can get rolling.

Scope is as important or more important than the gun.' front focal plane with mil tactical turrets and a horus rectical.

Pm me for my # if you need more info, Mike
 
#67
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

Welcome to the Hide.

I know lots of guys recommend the 6.5, or the 260. I'm an old sob and prefer the 308. You don't have to reload, Federal Gold Medal Match ammo is good, I think Black Hills Match ammo is a bit better but that's just an opinion.

It sounds like you know a few guys who do this kind of shooting, pick their brains, read as much as you can and get some training.

In my opinion equipment preferences are personal, ask questions of the training instructors, shoot several different types if you can and then get the best stuff you can afford.


Good luck!



Rob Opp
 
#68
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huckelberry75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesse, I see you finally traded OSA for an even more expensive forum. Welcome aboard!!</div></div>

How does that go? If you can't join 'em, beat 'em?!?!

I hope to see you over there. I really want to get more precision rifle talk going over there.
 
#69
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Decoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesse look at the surgeon 6.5 or larue obr in 7.62. Both shoot lights out and at our last shoot the obr's were hanging in there at 1000 plus.

Magpul has precision rifle training with instructor Caylen Wojcik, he's been there, done that and can break it down to you. Lots of good instruction out there but try to stick with one until you can get rolling.

Scope is as important or more important than the gun.' front focal plane with mil tactical turrets and a horus rectical.

Pm me for my # if you need more info, Mike</div></div>

You read my mind. My 3 gun teammate just put together a 6.5 AR style rifle. For the money I think that's the way to go. Similarly I have wanted one of those OBR's since they hit the market.

As far as the scope goes I pretty much already made up my mind that the NightForce is the way to go unless Millet has something new that I haven't heard about yet. I just need help deciding which model and if my favorite AR mount the LaRue LT139 SPR-E will work with it.
 
#70
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jesse Tischauser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see lots of Oklahoma locations on here. Where do ya'll shoot at? I never hear about this sort of shooting at any of the clubs that shoot 3 gun or USPSA type competitions. heck I would just like to come watch a match if there are matches to be seen. </div></div>

Private property unless its initial dope and staying in practice at 1-200 yds which can get boring quickly.
 
#71
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hoser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come over to Raton for one of the Sporting Rifle Matches.

I will loan you my AIAW in 308 and we can spend some time at the sight in range the day before and shoot together on match day.

You will see a lot of different rifles on the line and a lot of different calibers. You can pick a lot of peoples brains there.

I started out with a Tubb2000 in 6XC and Nightforce 5.5-22. Now I am shooting an AI-X in 243 with a S&B 5-25.

If you just wanted to throw a bunch of cash at it for a fast fix, buy a off the shelf rifle from Surgeon, GAP or AI in 6.5 CM or 260. Toss a decent scope on top and get some quality training.

Grab me at Mystery Mountain. We can talk more then. </div></div>

This man can walk on water. While shooting. Learn all you can from him.
 
#72
Re: Sniper Wannabe : FOR EXAMPLE

Reading this forum may get you to a guy like me who would like to sell his stainless Rem. 700 .300 Win mag HS Precision magazine rifle. Same stock as the Army's M24 but without the adjustable but stock. Excellent rifle to start with.

If you like whiz-bang items you could later add the Remington folding stock chassis used on the Army's 2012 conversion of the M 24 to .300 Win mag. The chassis isn't available until summer of 2012 sez Remington Defense in an e-mail to me.
 
#73
Re: Where does a Long Range Sniper Wannabe Start???

The name is familiar- did you ever shoot the M4-SD comp? How did you like it?

I don't know if it works this way in reality, but it couldn't hurt to ask.

The Sniper Instructors at the National Guard MTU at Camp Robinson are pretty good guys- or were in 2008- if any of them are slotted for the International comp they might be able (or even happy) to cross train.

I'm sure your pistol shooting and 3-gun skill, might be worth their instruction on the long gun stuff.<span style="font-weight: bold"> Might being the operative word. </span>

Can't hurt to find their number and call- and it can't hurt their chances in the comp to work with you either if they are willing to do it. I don't think they run year round, so this might be the time of year they have a week off.
 
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