I’m thinking a Homeland Security Federal police force is the end game here, TSA blue shirts replacing all of the local cops like they did with airport security after 9/11.
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I’m thinking a Homeland Security Federal police force is the end game here, TSA blue shirts replacing all of the local cops like they did with airport security after 9/11.
Nope. Not playing that game. You've stated your beliefs already and your motivations are obvious. I'm not the one with an agenda or anything to prove.
Guilty in the court of public opinion I see. Very rule of law-ish. You’re upholding your traditions very admirably
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It's tiring arguing with leftists, always moving the goal posts as their arguments fail basic consistency or logic.
No thanks "D".
It's tiring arguing with leftists, always moving the goal posts as their arguments fail basic consistency or logic.
No thanks "D".
In anarchy there will not be anyone to punish those that shoot anarchists?
Interesting .
Interesting .
There will be if there’s a legitimate court system that punishes the violation of private property.
Not something that I see from your state run judicial system, I might add
I live outside of Buffalo, NY. I work just outside the city. Tensions are bubbling but not boiling. Things calmed down for a couple days, but then the nationally viewed incident with the 75 year old man occurred. The entire ERT resigned today in solidarity of the two officers suspended without pay.
I understand why the boys in blue resigned. My buddy is BPD. He says that they get very little support, limited kit and gear and are thrown in the fire often while under the microscope. The sheriffs department and state police will have to pick up the slack if this continues to spiral. I’m hoping it doesn’t get out of control.
I thought things were calming down everywhere. I think that they will overall. My question is, what comes next? What do you all think is actually going to happen this summer? Things get better or worse? Why and why not?
Total anarchy isn’t the answer. We know this. The last few months have been shitty enough. Hoping for something better on the horizon.
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I worry about law enforcement attrition due to lack of support (internally, politically, socially, etc.) and morale. I also think that the unrest in the last week has given certain groups a taste for taking and doing what they want without fear of repercussion, and gave others an example to copycat. Combined with the built-in anonymity from everyone wearing face masks in public, there is a perfect storm for some level of lawlessness. As suggested above by others, I think that the public is going to have to (through media stories or personal experience) understand what happens when police are not readily available. Only then will they appreciate the difficult, and sometimes impossible, positions that police are forced into on a daily basis. Until then, my mags are staying loaded.
IIRC, it was an anarchist that started WW I.
That is simply not the case. Remove the law an the good people of this nation will take out the trash quickly. The criminal is and has been protected by the law in this country for so long, people have forgotten about what men of vigilance are capable of. If You remove the law, you will see things change quickly,...
The way to cope with a provocateur is to not cope.
Use "Ignore".
Ignore is your friend. I have a few such friends myself, cooling their heels in solitary...
Sometimes a friend needs that little bit of intervention, and they get to stay that friend.
Keep a cool head.
Cooler heads prevail.
Where the rule of law prevails, the citizenry stands aside; out of the law's way.
Where it isn't; neither will (nor should) they.
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I firmly believe that in the instances where LE is abused and beset by the people (clowns?) for whom they work; there is no dishonor in leaving the field of contention.
They will be needed and appreciated elsewhere, and the change is an honorable one. When one carries the water for fools, who's the fool?
All too soon, they'll likely be called back from whence they departed.
If not; they have gone to a better place.
Use "Ignore".
Ignore is your friend. I have a few such friends myself, cooling their heels in solitary...
Sometimes a friend needs that little bit of intervention, and they get to stay that friend.
Keep a cool head.
Cooler heads prevail.
Where the rule of law prevails, the citizenry stands aside; out of the law's way.
Where it isn't; neither will (nor should) they.
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I firmly believe that in the instances where LE is abused and beset by the people (clowns?) for whom they work; there is no dishonor in leaving the field of contention.
They will be needed and appreciated elsewhere, and the change is an honorable one. When one carries the water for fools, who's the fool?
All too soon, they'll likely be called back from whence they departed.
If not; they have gone to a better place.
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Depending on the area, sure. Cities like San Fran, LA, Atlanta, Miami, Baltimore, etc will likely not change quickly for the better. Once they push out from the cities...maybe a different story.
Don’t get me wrong, all about country justice if it comes down to it.
Should the ROL go out the window those shit holes might get a helping hand into the abyss,...
Will certainly be interesting times. I think about other forms of infrastructure like food, water treatment plants, power. Take out a couple key pieces and things really go sideways. How soon before actual Mil comes in?
As an anti-capitalist and libertarian socialist philosophy, anarchism is placed on the far-left of the political spectrum and much of its economics and legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of left-wing politics such as communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.
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After Precip, the guy that started WW I, the next most famous anarchist was... wait for it...
Karl Marx. Do you need to know anything else?
Karl Marx was a leading figure of the International and a member of its General Council. Four years later, in 1868, Mikhail Bakunin joined the First International with his collectivist anarchist associates who advocated for the collectivisation of property and revolutionary overthrow of the state.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Karl Marx. Do you need to know anything else?
Karl Marx was a leading figure of the International and a member of its General Council. Four years later, in 1868, Mikhail Bakunin joined the First International with his collectivist anarchist associates who advocated for the collectivisation of property and revolutionary overthrow of the state.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Yes. Comrade Stalin did exactly that. Took your shit and threw you in a gulag.
You see, in your utopia, you can't have private property. It all belongs to the collective.
Lol, I’m going to need a little more substance than wikipedia. And for every worthless Karl Marx you can find, I can find the opposite.
I’m sure you’ve heard or seen the phrase anarcho-capitalism? Does that sound far left to you? The ideology centered around the non-aggression principle and the absolute defense of private property rights? What is it about the idea that individuals contracting voluntarily and who don’t need the coercive force of the state as a middleman that scares people so much?
Save it. You're a commie.
End of story.
And that education you have, ask for your money back. You got gypped.
End of story.
And that education you have, ask for your money back. You got gypped.
think that's a really great idea in a lot of dimacraticly controlled cities not many better ways to lower property value faster and aquire property than to burn the previous owners out get rid of the police and that process is even easier to get away with it I also think companies like pepsi , amazon, the nba ,and a lot of others that paid tons of money into the whole black lives matter idea to get fast release programs for looters and criminals to get back out the streets so they can continue burning and stealing was a brilliant idea I mean no one is tracking that money so why not do it .
This is such a compelling argument you’ve made, I’m sure your public school debate teacher would be proud
Never argue with a fool, people may not know the difference.
Its a good idea, we don't need municipal police, county sheriff, and State Patrol. Disband the the two non elected groups and triple the sheriff departments.
In anarchy there will not be a judicial system, no one to run or enforce any laws there used to be.
No rules / no rulers.
You don't quite get what is going to happen.
No one will rule or serve.
Go and watch Apocalypse Now
while eating a bag of dicks to see what it will be like.
I don’t think he needs to be banned. He needs to be watched though. And called out.
Are you going to secure the streets? I hope you can. What happens when you don't like something or someone? Who keeps you in check? Power corrupts. JMHO
You need to research men of vigilance an history of same. Were there people saying they were, men of vigilance but, were in it for the power an loot yes, but as soon as men of vigilance found them they were dealt with rapidly. Nothing is perfect, but history proves if your being an asshole with your buds, an one of their heads explodes an his brains end up on your face, most rethink what they are doing. The "LAW" in this country has shielded the criminal as it's about money, an nothing but money only. Those that think it's about crime are nothing but brain washed sheep. You want to stop crime deal with it properly, swiftly, an not with kid gloves.
Anarchy is allot like communism in as much as they are both words used to describe a political theory that can’t be realized. Marxist communism’s final state is where everyone is working together in perfect harmony and the government just fades away because it’s no longer needed. Anarchy is also theoretical state where there is no government. Both can’t happen. Our social nature and condition preclude them.
Absence of government creates government upon first contact between two people even if it’s just the most basic Strong Rule The Weak system. Periods of anarchy, like the middle of a riot, are extremely short, and when they’re widespread they have never, in all of human history, ended in anything but authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
Anarchy and Communism (not the in-practice communism, but the Marxist theory) have the same utterly unattainable goal of all people harmoniously living together without any government. Communism purports that through a progression of totalitarian socialism it can remake man into a creature that doesn’t need government. Anarchy just pretends we are already that other creature, but that lasts about a millisecond before the strong decide to tell the weak what to do.
Anarcho-capitalism Is a utopian extension of this “we’ll all interact harmoniously” fantasy, but despite its connection to pure communism vis a vis no government, usually those espousing it do not come from the hard left of communism, but rather from the extreme of libertarianism where they take liberty a step further and think no government at all will secure the most liberty. It’s utopian and unworkable.
This is the actual truth of the matter:
”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
Republican Constitutional Democracy is the most successful form of government ever, and all the rest are flawed and fucked in one respect or another. If we restored the constitutional checks on federal power that have been removed by progressives (eliminate the 16th and 17th amendments) we would be fine, and Washington DC would be put back in its box.
Absence of government creates government upon first contact between two people even if it’s just the most basic Strong Rule The Weak system. Periods of anarchy, like the middle of a riot, are extremely short, and when they’re widespread they have never, in all of human history, ended in anything but authoritarianism/totalitarianism.
Anarchy and Communism (not the in-practice communism, but the Marxist theory) have the same utterly unattainable goal of all people harmoniously living together without any government. Communism purports that through a progression of totalitarian socialism it can remake man into a creature that doesn’t need government. Anarchy just pretends we are already that other creature, but that lasts about a millisecond before the strong decide to tell the weak what to do.
Anarcho-capitalism Is a utopian extension of this “we’ll all interact harmoniously” fantasy, but despite its connection to pure communism vis a vis no government, usually those espousing it do not come from the hard left of communism, but rather from the extreme of libertarianism where they take liberty a step further and think no government at all will secure the most liberty. It’s utopian and unworkable.
This is the actual truth of the matter:
”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
Republican Constitutional Democracy is the most successful form of government ever, and all the rest are flawed and fucked in one respect or another. If we restored the constitutional checks on federal power that have been removed by progressives (eliminate the 16th and 17th amendments) we would be fine, and Washington DC would be put back in its box.
Again, I admit I'm not historical scholar but I think back to our own history. Think of manifest destiny, then the taming of the west and how communal people formed their own laws and enforcement mechanisms. Then, eventually started Sherrifs, then regional marshalls, the. lobbied for state hood to standardize the law and enforcement mechanisms. Before that, waiting on the cavalry or taking care of business yourself was it.
We essentially had what The D is talking about, and the people realized there was a better way. Now, unfortunately, the pendulum is swinging WAY the other way. I'm not all that concerned though. We have a way of self correcting. We saw it in the 2016 election and we'll find a way with all that's going on today. And it's good that we have the basiclly fair system in place that we do. Without this, with the current population that we have, you'd have tribal gangs with people like me roaming the streets. Nobody wants this country to turn into Somalia. Well, maybe some... they are ignorant or feel their status or money will shield them.
We essentially had what The D is talking about, and the people realized there was a better way. Now, unfortunately, the pendulum is swinging WAY the other way. I'm not all that concerned though. We have a way of self correcting. We saw it in the 2016 election and we'll find a way with all that's going on today. And it's good that we have the basiclly fair system in place that we do. Without this, with the current population that we have, you'd have tribal gangs with people like me roaming the streets. Nobody wants this country to turn into Somalia. Well, maybe some... they are ignorant or feel their status or money will shield them.
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WTF is this bullshit?
Ummmm your Victoria Secrets are showing!! Now grow a pair and pull up your big boy panties. If you don't like what someone is saying use the ignore feature or just scroll on past.
Calling for Frank to ban someone is a bitch move. Frank has already been pushed to the end of the rope. Don't add to it cuz your mangina is getting hurt by The D.
Anarchy would be a disaster. Im for making and keeping the govnt as tiny as can be, but some is still needed.
Is there a better way to govern than a Constitutional Democratic Republic? Maybe, but it only truly and currently exists in the minds of idealistic dreamers and revisionists.
When put into practice; two things appear to prevail.
First, whatever is tried fails, often spectacularly, and pretty near always with the spilling of blood. The one sure thing that Communism produces is innocent victims. Victimhood is the elixir without which the Left can never survive.
Then, all systems are only as good as the people who work within it. When they are rotten at the core, they singlemindedly drag down the system, as they would with any system. The American way is having a bad run right now, no question; but that's because of the folks within who are driven by hypocrisy, and disposed toward anarchy. It is an infection of the mind, as much as the current virus is an infection of the body
This is allowed to happen when the means of information; media and education, are co-opted to give some words fictitious dialectical meaning, and others to be uttered not at all; while instilling wrongs as the right thing to do. Then the core beliefs, and the institutions which foster them, are infiltrated and destroyed from within. We all know this to be true.
Every enumerated right has been corrupted and used in an intentional campaign deliberately and specifically crafted to invalidate those rights. It is the true living legacy of the Vietnam protets.
The rule of law is flouted, those tasked with enforcing that law are hobbled, ridiculed, and chastised; while constructive criticism is shouted down or stifled. This is systemic, and honestly; it is beyond the reach of the voter because the very means for enforcing that vote is corrupted. It can only, and must soon, be reached by more direct means. When justice is the question at the polls; justice delayed is justice denied. We've all seen this happen before our own eyes.
What we see now is a canned insurrection; planned, supplied, trained, funded, and managed by a cadre, within and outside the nation. It has all been poised in abatement while waiting for the convenient trigger.
Never waste a convenient crisis. Better yet, plan for it.
That trigger has arrived, the plan is in play, and unless it's put down, violently if necessary, peacefully if possible; it will be the straw that breaks the Republic's back. It is no spontaneous accident, it is a long refined Communist ploy, and it is our national existence which we are watching run down the gutter.
Eradicating any insurrection can never be complete until those actors are permanently prevented from ever exercising their malice again.
As for Communism, Chairman Mao got something right; (Communist) power comes out of the gun's barrel, and in truth, that's the only real way it can be imposed, votes notwithstanding.
Unfortunately, it may well be that the remedy may also require the barrels of guns.
That would be unfortunate and disastrous because as the fight within would rage, the attacks from outside would follow as sure as the day follows night. It is flatly impossible to believe that's not also a canned response, waiting for the culmination of this insurrection to be used as the next trigger.
In the end there may be something better than what we have; but what we have is still ahead of whatever's been tried as a replacement.
One thing I believe.
Without Democracy, this could have never happened. With it, this was inevitible. Democracy has been the noble experiment. The experiment has been forced to fail. It wasn't an accident because the seeds of failure have always resided within Democracy itself. Democracy assumes that the citizenry will always vote for the good and the necessary; that the heart of the voter will always be positive and decent.
That assumption is false. That assumption has placed the means to destroy the Republic directly into the hands of those whose only goal is to do precisely that.
As for Communism, those who wish to refine their knowledge can make the trip down to Ecuador, or across to China. Then, they can tell us how much better it is than the American way.
Or maybe don't, and just stay there.
Greg
When put into practice; two things appear to prevail.
First, whatever is tried fails, often spectacularly, and pretty near always with the spilling of blood. The one sure thing that Communism produces is innocent victims. Victimhood is the elixir without which the Left can never survive.
Then, all systems are only as good as the people who work within it. When they are rotten at the core, they singlemindedly drag down the system, as they would with any system. The American way is having a bad run right now, no question; but that's because of the folks within who are driven by hypocrisy, and disposed toward anarchy. It is an infection of the mind, as much as the current virus is an infection of the body
This is allowed to happen when the means of information; media and education, are co-opted to give some words fictitious dialectical meaning, and others to be uttered not at all; while instilling wrongs as the right thing to do. Then the core beliefs, and the institutions which foster them, are infiltrated and destroyed from within. We all know this to be true.
Every enumerated right has been corrupted and used in an intentional campaign deliberately and specifically crafted to invalidate those rights. It is the true living legacy of the Vietnam protets.
The rule of law is flouted, those tasked with enforcing that law are hobbled, ridiculed, and chastised; while constructive criticism is shouted down or stifled. This is systemic, and honestly; it is beyond the reach of the voter because the very means for enforcing that vote is corrupted. It can only, and must soon, be reached by more direct means. When justice is the question at the polls; justice delayed is justice denied. We've all seen this happen before our own eyes.
What we see now is a canned insurrection; planned, supplied, trained, funded, and managed by a cadre, within and outside the nation. It has all been poised in abatement while waiting for the convenient trigger.
Never waste a convenient crisis. Better yet, plan for it.
That trigger has arrived, the plan is in play, and unless it's put down, violently if necessary, peacefully if possible; it will be the straw that breaks the Republic's back. It is no spontaneous accident, it is a long refined Communist ploy, and it is our national existence which we are watching run down the gutter.
Eradicating any insurrection can never be complete until those actors are permanently prevented from ever exercising their malice again.
As for Communism, Chairman Mao got something right; (Communist) power comes out of the gun's barrel, and in truth, that's the only real way it can be imposed, votes notwithstanding.
Unfortunately, it may well be that the remedy may also require the barrels of guns.
That would be unfortunate and disastrous because as the fight within would rage, the attacks from outside would follow as sure as the day follows night. It is flatly impossible to believe that's not also a canned response, waiting for the culmination of this insurrection to be used as the next trigger.
In the end there may be something better than what we have; but what we have is still ahead of whatever's been tried as a replacement.
One thing I believe.
Without Democracy, this could have never happened. With it, this was inevitible. Democracy has been the noble experiment. The experiment has been forced to fail. It wasn't an accident because the seeds of failure have always resided within Democracy itself. Democracy assumes that the citizenry will always vote for the good and the necessary; that the heart of the voter will always be positive and decent.
That assumption is false. That assumption has placed the means to destroy the Republic directly into the hands of those whose only goal is to do precisely that.
As for Communism, those who wish to refine their knowledge can make the trip down to Ecuador, or across to China. Then, they can tell us how much better it is than the American way.
Or maybe don't, and just stay there.
Greg
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People are assholes, an will trade today for tomorrow,...most every time.
They will never work for something they think they are owed, or can get for free via lies
If they are in any system long enough, they will use said system to garner money an power.
Once enough assholes are in power, an fucking over everyone there is but one cure,..however most don't have the tit's or balls for it.
They will never work for something they think they are owed, or can get for free via lies
If they are in any system long enough, they will use said system to garner money an power.
Once enough assholes are in power, an fucking over everyone there is but one cure,..however most don't have the tit's or balls for it.
You’re example of why my idea of a voluntarist society can’t work is a movie from the late 70’s? I’m not sure if that assertion is hilarious or sad.
And so, on to the court system that you say can’t work. Private arbitration companies exist right now and in many ways are preferable to going to court. Why do you think this model can’t be scaled up and/or modified to suit a stateless society?
Arbitration only works because the arbitrators’ decisions can and will be entered as a judgement by an actual court. And that court judgement can be enforced, if necessary, through the seizure of property by law enforcement. It all rests on the structure of government being in place.
Ok, I gotta ask.... and maybe I missed a memo or something, but I saw the video of the older gentleman standing there when the crowd of police approached him. I have no idea what he said, or what he was standing there for. But I did see him pushed by the officer. And I saw him hit the deck, bleed, and be 'unattended to' while over the radio it was heard 'somebody call for a medic' (or whatever the term was, I can't recall).
My point being, in what Universe is it solidarity for everyone to quit because those two officers got suspended for their (alleged) actions? Or was that just an excuse for everyone to quit?
Don't get me wrong, I completely understand if the Law enforcers want to take a few days off to protect their own, and I'm not saying that is 'right'. But what I am asking though, is why/where/how can the whole group think that what that/those officers did was "ok"?
Again, if I've missed a memo or something, or the fact that the older gentleman was pulling a pin on a grenade or something.... then fine. I'm just missing a bit of context here where so-far, things don't add up or make sense to me.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled chaos, anarchy, mayhem, and vitriol espousing/condemning/supporting/quashing.
Because taken to the logical end, everything is enforced at the barrel of a gun. State or Stateless, righteous or no.
In your cum stained fantasy, you assume that everyone is simply going to willingly submit themselves to "an authority". (Which, by the way, could be interpreted as "the ruler", something you supposedly disavow) In this case an arbitrator. Both parties have to be willing to submit to the arbitrator. What if that arbitrator rules in a corrupt fashion? And the losing party has none of it? Pistols at 20 paces?
No, your ideas are not workable in any fashion because humans are fallible. In many instances evil.
Anarchy is much like the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone. They've been tried, it doesn't work.
He wasn't just standing there he strode right up in their faces and was waving his hands around while running his mouth. It looks like the cop pushed him with his finger tips; he should give flopping lessons. I think the whole thing was a setup by the old hippie to create some more tension. BTW I'm 73 and I'm not stupid enough to advance on armed pissed off cops and shoot my mouth off and wave my hands around. This def qualifies as "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
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