Where is the 308 PRC?

[KCode]

Flame away, I don't know as much as you guys so I'm sure there is a reason.

But if there is a 6.5 PRC which is a Creedmoor magnum basically. Where is the 308 PRC? Or are we basically talking 30-06 at that point? Educate me!

 

[FuhQ]

I’m sure somebody has made a .30-6.5 PRC wildcat, but no idea. They make a .300 PRC, but it’s bigger than the .300 WinMag.

As for a .30-6.5 PRC, you might as well just get a .300 WSM, and call it a day. You can get factory ammo, brass, dies, and load data for it already.

 

[KCode]

I’m sure somebody has made a .30-6.5 PRC wildcat, but no idea. They make a .300 PRC, but it’s bigger than the .300 WinMag.

As for a .30-6.5 PRC, you might as well just get a .300 WSM, and call it a day. You can get factory ammo, brass, dies, and load data for it already.

No no, not looking for a 6.5 projectile. 30cal

Basically optimized 308 for higher BC projectiles.

 

[abn31c]

No no, not looking for a 6.5 projectile. 30cal

Basically optimized 308 for higher BC projectiles.

Sooo....basically a 30/6.5 prc....

 

[diggler1833]

That's what the first response said...a .30 cal projectile in a 6.5 PRC case.

I would venture to think that your idea of a ".308 PRC" would just be a. 308 with ~57-59 grains of powder. Basically a .30-06. Maybe in a more optimized and modern design however.

There is a .300 PRC already, designed to be an updated version of the. 300 Win Mag essentially. Or you have the .300 WSM, which gives up a little performance in order to reduce the length of the action.

 

[hlee]

No no, not looking for a 6.5 projectile. 30cal

Basically optimized 308 for higher BC projectiles.

I think Fuhq’s point is that when the 6.5 PRC was developed, there wasn’t a 6.5 mm short action magnum cartridge. We already have the 300 WSM,a 30 cal short action magnum cartridge. If you were to take the 6.5 PRC and neck it up to 30 cal- creating the 30-6.5 PRC- you’d basically be recreating the 300 WSM.

 

[FuhQ]

No no, not looking for a 6.5 projectile. 30cal

Basically optimized 308 for higher BC projectiles.

You don’t really read, do you? Or do you not understand how wildcat cartridge designations work?

 

[abn31c]

30/6.5 prc has been done, if not optimized for a long vld type projo and done in a long or medium action the donut issue is real. Hence the suggestion of the 300 wsm.

 

[KCode]

That's what the first response said...a .30 cal projectile in a 6.5 PRC case.

I would venture to think that your idea of a ".308 PRC" would just be a. 308 with ~57-59 grains of powder. Basically a .30-06. Maybe in a more optimized and modern design however.

There is a .300 PRC already, designed to be an updated version of the. 300 Win Mag essentially. Or you have the .300 WSM, which gives up a little performance in order to reduce the length of the action.

Ah ok ok, I get it now!

I had never heard of 30/6.5 PRC

 

[KCode]

You don’t really read, do you? Or do you not understand how wildcat cartridge designations work?

My mind put together a 6.5 projectile in a 30-06 case when I read that. My mistake

 

[hangunnr]

I think Fuhq’s point is that when the 6.5 PRC was developed, there wasn’t a 6.5 mm short action magnum cartridge……..

6.5 Rem Mag…

Been one around since the mid 60s.

 

[hlee]

6.5 Rem Mag…

Been one around since the mid 60s.

If no one has ever heard of it, factory ammo doesn’t exist, and even the wiki article you linked to says it is obsolete, does it really exist?

Besides… Belted magnum? Ew, gross… Sit down 7mm RM, no one is talking about you.

 

[hangunnr]

Awwww, show me on your blow up doll where that evil belted magnum touched you….

Obsolete, yep can’t argue that.
Could Remington have revived it during the 6.5 hysteria craze, possibly had they not been floundering. No incentive for anyone else to champion it with the Remington name attached.

 

[hlee]

Awwww, show me on your blow up doll where that evil belted magnum touched you….

Obsolete, yep can’t argue that.
Could Remington have revived it during the 6.5 hysteria craze, possibly had they not been floundering. No incentive for anyone else to champion it with the Remington name attached.

Just jokingly commenting that the belt is unnecessary in 2024, though I still have a 7mm RM that I load for. And, a 300 weatherby. Honestly, I think people make too much hay about the belt. Measure the case growth, bump the shoulder back a few thou. It’s not rocket surgery.

Cartridge dev is 90% marketing.

 

[sierra2]

I’m pretty sure George Gardner said the 6.5PRC was based off the 300 Ruger Compact Magnum cartridge. As Kamala would say, undoing what has already been done would take you right back where you were before you did what you did…the 300RCM.

 

[stello1001]

Dude what do you mean where is the 308 prc? It's been out for a long time. It's called the 300PRC.

 

[FuhQ]

Dude what do you mean where is the 308 prc? It's been out for a long time. It's called the 300PRC.

He's talking about in the shorter 6.5 PRC case. But basically that's a .300 WSM/SAUM, which have been around for 25 years.

 

[KCode]

He's talking about in the shorter 6.5 PRC case. But basically that's a .300 WSM/SAUM, which have been around for 25 years.

Yea I completely overlooked the WSM. All of the Hornady PRCs focus on the latest and greatest BC bullets. Not sure if the WSM does good with that or not.

Regardless I have no doubt that if Hornady took the 300 WSM and rebranded it to 308 PRC or whatever, it would be an instant hit.

 

[6brshooter]

The issue with a 30-6.5prc or 7mm-6.5prc is with the heavy good bc bullets, a med or long action is required with 6.5prc based wildcat. At that point, might as well save some headache and go 300prc or 7mm prc

 

[stanley_white]

How about we not expand cartridge offerings that share the same letter acronym as the People’s Republic of China?

Either that or go all in and call it the 308 ChiCom.

-Stan

 

[Huskydriver]

How about we not expand cartridge offerings that share the same letter acronym as the People’s Republic of China?

Either that or go all in and call it the 308 ChiCom.

-Stan

Wut?

 

[FuhQ]

How about we not expand cartridge offerings that share the same letter acronym as the People’s Republic of China?

Either that or go all in and call it the 308 ChiCom.

-Stan

 

[Long Range 338]

How about we not expand cartridge offerings that share the same letter acronym as the People’s Republic of China?

Either that or go all in and call it the 308 ChiCom.

-Stan

 

[BJames]

A 30/6.5 prc is pretty much the 300 SAUM

 

[Long Range 338]

With Lapua jumping into 300 WSM production, it seems the obvious answer…

 

[2Twenty3]

I understand this thread is basically done, but wanted to answer the original question here. The 6.5 PRC was conceived with Hornady using the parent case from the 300 RCM (Ruger Compact Magnum), and necking it down to .264 caliber. To say the 300 RCM is a dead cartridge would be a vast understatement, as it never caught any traction due to the 300 WSM outperforming it in basically every category. Winchester also marketed the WSM properly, while Ruger thought that just chambering some of their rifles in it would eventually catch on.. but it didn’t. There are so many cartridges out there that almost nobody knows about simply because they were either marketed poorly or didn’t perform well. Putting just any projectile in a case packed with powder doesn’t guarantee success by any means. The 6mm Remington was a badass cartridge that never got going all because the twist rate of the factory barrels were not right. So when Remington screwed that up, Winchester seized the opportunity and brought out the .243, which blew the 6mm Remington into absolute oblivion.. because it actually shot well. But the craziest thing is that Remington made a cartridge wayyy back in the day called the 6.5 Rem mag, which wasn’t just a 7 Rem Mag necked down to 6.5, it was actually meant to fit in their 700 short action! There really is no explanation as to why this round never caught fire, but it just never did.. even though side by side it is extremely similar to the PRC (it actually runs a little faster). But all of that to say this, the “.30 PRC” you are searching for already exists as the 300 RCM.. just like the “.30 Creedmoor” already exists as the 30 Thompson Center (the parent case of all the Creedmoor’s)!

 

[cas6969]

There really is no explanation as to why this round never caught fire, but it just never did..

It didn't help that they put them in the 600/660 rifles.
Same with the .350 Rem Mag. They came out with two great cartridges and a great little rifle, that had no business being combined. It stunted the growth of all three.