Where the F are all the employees and where are they getting their money ?

[BuildingConceptsllc]

You can't get SSD becasue you are addicted to drugs and alcohol.

What Conditions Automatically Qualify You for Social Security Disability?

There are some conditions that automatically qualify adults for social security disability benefits, making their path to benefits easier.

tabakattorneys.com

You can get something. I don't know what it is but I know a guy who does. He claims several ailments and he gets a check for them. Perhaps the drug addiction says "I have anxiety ", but let's get real, they get a check.

 

[deersniper]

government workers?

“Workers”

 

[supercorndogs]

No, you can't. It doesn't disqualify you, but no you can't get SSD because you are on drugs or alcohol. Or because you say you have anxiety.

You can get something. I don't know what it is but I know a guy who does. He claims several ailments and he gets a check for them. Perhaps the drug addiction says "I have anxiety ", but let's get real, they get a check.

 

[supercorndogs]

“Workers”

You don't think cutting farm subsidy or crop insurance checks is work? Come'on man.

 

[AngryKoala]

My kids will be paying for whatever they choose to do. I want them to be poor and I want them to struggle. I will help them but I want them to figure it out as I had to because hardship cultivates a strong independent adult.

 

[supercorndogs]

Everybody learns different. Forcing your kids to struggle doest automatically give them a leg up.

 

[E. Bryant]

But companies have a never ending money supply. They can just pay more!

Not that there’s a point where the company shuts its doors

If a company can't pay its workers the market wage or make the required investment to replace those workers with improved processes, automation, etc., then perhaps the marketplace is telling that company it's time to shut its doors.

Just as a worker is not entitled to a paycheck, a company is not entitled to cheap resources.

 

[deersniper]

s the marketplace

Sure if you include the millstone of gov theft of your money and employees

 

[deersniper]

You don't think cutting farm subsidy or crop insurance checks is work? Come'on man.

It’s so easy why doesn’t everyone do it ?



Any real farmers hates that crap

It’s about Removing risks so easy to control mega and corporate farms can take over.

 

[supercorndogs]

Why doesn't everyone farm? Capitol, time, access to land and water, bankers, access to money. Why have 2000 small farms become 1 big farm. There is simple question.

Maybe government workers hate the checks they collect too, ever ask them. Na, you just bash them.

 

[lariat]

Everybody learns different. Forcing your kids to struggle doest automatically give them a leg up.

But not instilling discipline or allowing them to go through some struggles will produce weak willed and weak minded adults.

 

[supercorndogs]

Meanwhile with an impending food shortage due to a fertilizer shortage.

USDA Announces Plans for $250 Million Investment to Support Innovative American-made Fertilizer to give US Farmers more choices in the Marketplace

WASHINGTON, March 11, 2022 – The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is announcing it will support additional fertilizer production for American farmers to address rising costs, including the impact of Putin’s price hike on farmers, and spur competition. USDA will make available $250 million...

www.usda.gov

We can't eve choke up 1/10th of what Ukraine has blackmailed us for to increase domestic production of fertilizer.

 

[supercorndogs]

But not instilling discipline or allowing them to go through some struggles will produce weak willed and weak minded adults.

If those things aren't instilled, long before they have an opportunity to be poor and struggle on their own, they aren't going to get them. Learning to be a resilient person doesn't happen as an adult. It starts as an infant. Most of your virtues are instilled by the time you are 7.

 

[E. Bryant]

But not instilling discipline or allowing them to go through some struggles will produce weak willed and weak minded adults.

Correct, but there are other ways to make them struggle without withholding every penny of financial assistance. I mean, if one has a kid who's an Eagle Scout, a standout student, and a successful high school athlete, then they've probably already demonstrated discipline and the ability to overcome adversity.

What I see the vast majority of the time is a parent who simply can't afford to provide financial assistance trying to pass it off as a life lesson. Does anyone think their kids can't see right through that story? If you can't help, just say it. My dad made that pretty damn clear to me when I was a teenager that he wasn't able to provide any financial help, and I didn't resent him one bit for that honesty. Had he tried to bullshit me, then I'd have been let down.

 

[supercorndogs]

Or sometimes a parent creating a great deal of resentment by not helping out their child when they could or should. And yep some kids are going to rise above it and be better for it, and not harbor resentment. And some wont and will...

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

No, you can't. It doesn't disqualify you, but no you can't get SSD because you are on drugs or alcohol. Or because you say you have anxiety.

I don't know if it was called SS disability but I know he got a check and it was his claimed mental/emotional issues that got it. (Which was in reality his drug habbit) That is fact. He scammed the system and was fine with showing me his info.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Or sometimes a parent creating a great deal of resentment by not helping out their child when they could or should. And yep some kids are going to rise above it and be better for it, and not harbor resentment. And some wont and will...

It's about having consistent expectations and consistent consequences for not meeting those expectations. That may involve the child having to suffer some but if thr expectations are clear and consistent there is no resentment.

 

[AngryKoala]

Everybody learns different. Forcing your kids to struggle doest automatically give them a leg up.

It's not about getting a leg up. It is about learning to survive independently. I will be there to help if needed.

 

[lariat]

It's not about getting a leg up. It is about learning to survive independently. I will be there to help if needed.

Exactly this. Nobody here talked about abandoning their children to the vagaries of the world. It’s about controlled exposure to effort, failure and success. No participation trophies or unearned prizes.

ETA: I do strongly suspect, however, that coddling has produced the adult children we all live among now.

 

[MtnCreek]

Maybe employees are made shitty by the work place culture created by their boss sometimes. Something I have observed at some places. You have distain for your employees, they know it, they pick up on it, and they return it.

Same goes for toxic employee. Add one complainer to a crew and pretty soon the whole crew thinks the job and life in general, sucks.

 

[MadDuner]

Same goes for toxic employee. Add one complainer to a crew and pretty soon the whole crew thinks the job and life in general, sucks.

You can easily spot the toxic employee by walking through the parking lot and looking at the bumper stickers....

 

[lariat]

Same goes for toxic employee. Add one complainer to a crew and pretty soon the whole crew thinks the job and life in general, sucks.

Yup. I have fired employees that were good at thier job but were toxic to the environment. It’s amazing how fast the mood lifts.

 

[AngryKoala]

Same goes for toxic employee. Add one complainer to a crew and pretty soon the whole crew thinks the job and life in general, sucks.

Tried getting one fired at our workplace but she has beef flaps so HR was "sympathetic" to her situation.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Guessing California with those wages? There aren't many experienced heavy equipment mechanics that are worth a fuck anymore. If you find a knowledgeable one, they just want to sit in the truck and wait for a breakdown. They won't be bothered with doing preventative maintenance on spare equipment sitting.

I'm a shop bitch now because I was tired of traveling and being the guy that has to fix everything. Getting junk sent to the job because people just want to patch shit instead of fixing it right. I still deal with that but it's not as big of push to have it fixed right now.

Nope not Cali.. Raise those prices by 20-200% for Cali.

Our bread and butter trade is making about 150-200K a year with OT. Guys doing the SAME work down in Cali, are making 400-500K a year.

Our HEM do it all, PM, Repairs, Emergency Repairs in the field, welding, fabrication ect. They are supplied with the best tools money can buy but yea they do not grow on trees. I would guess most of the HEM make $120K a year if they don't work OT to over 200K if they are hustlers. They dont have to buy or supply anything but their labor.

 

[E. Bryant]

Yup. I have fired employees that were good at thier job but were toxic to the environment. It’s amazing how fast the mood lifts.

Good for you. Keeping around employees like that is probably the #1 mistake of most managers and owners.

 

[SalomonQST99]

A number of unions will grandfather people into their journeyman level. Ones that have never take an apprenticeship, never were checked out on equipment. Why? Because the union has a unfunded pensions. They need more workers to fund their pensions regardless of talent.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Something to think about also.
If an employer pays the same salary this year that they did last year, the net effect for an employee is a 10% minimum cut in purchasing power.
If they keep the same pay rate for next year, the employee is now looking at 20% minimum cut in purchasing power.

That is not sustainable for many employees.

In a lot of cases, it's very hard to get a raise (unless you are living off the taxes the working class pay and then your government salary, government benefits or Social Security payments get automatically raised because, you know, not fair for those living off the taxes of others to have to get less).

For a great number of people the only effective way to get a raise is to move to another job or start working for yourself.
Most employers don't seem to understand that if you can't raise wages, eventually folks will be forced to look for something else that can.

 

[Downzero]

Where does the printing money and increased tax fee etc theft of gov come into your equation? Plus welfare .gov “jobs” etc.


When the millstone of .gov theft and redistribution sinks businesses and industry’s. That’s not a healthy free market

I don't understand your question. All businesses face these challenges. They either make a profit or fail. There is no other option realistic option for most other than to take the government's monetary and fiscal policy decisions as given.

The market doesn't care if you think it's a "healthy free market" or not. People will continue buying and selling and trading their goods and services no matter what your opinion is of how well markets are functioning. And damn should we be glad for entrepreneurs who are doing so instead of whining about the health of our markets.

 

[MadDuner]

Something to think about also.
If an employer pays the same salary this year that they did last year, the net effect for an employee is a 10% minimum cut in purchasing power.
If they keep the same pay rate for next year, the employee is now looking at 20% minimum cut in purchasing power.

That is not sustainable for many employees.

In a lot of cases, it's very hard to get a raise (unless you are living off the taxes the working class pay and then your government salary, government benefits or Social Security payments get automatically raised because, you know, not fair for those living off the taxes of others to have to get less).

For a great number of people the only effective way to get a raise is to move to another job or start working for yourself.
Most employers don't seem to understand that if you can't raise wages, eventually folks will be forced to look for something else that can.

We bumped every employee by 20%.
That lasted for 60 days before employees were once again complaining about needing a raise. We get it. The price of everything is going up, but somewhere somehow somebody has to start putting the brakes on this runaway train.

 

[Downzero]

Something to think about also.
If an employer pays the same salary this year that they did last year, the net effect for an employee is a 10% minimum cut in purchasing power.
If they keep the same pay rate for next year, the employee is now looking at 20% minimum cut in purchasing power.

That is not sustainable for many employees.

In a lot of cases, it's very hard to get a raise (unless you are living off the taxes the working class pay and then your government salary, government benefits or Social Security payments get automatically raised because, you know, not fair for those living off the taxes of others to have to get less).

For a great number of people the only effective way to get a raise is to move to another job or start working for yourself.
Most employers don't seem to understand that if you can't raise wages, eventually folks will be forced to look for something else that can.

Maybe that's a good thing. Having low inflation for so long kept us from looking at what else was out there. Looking for a job isn't free. It's a costly waste of time. But moving to a new job this year got me a raise, less stress, and more free time.

Maybe we all need a raise and we'll all move around jobs until we get paid what we're worth. That's not a bad thing--employers should be competing for our talent just as we compete with others to land those positions. For me it took 2 years and 30 applications to get another job. When I left, everyone was shocked that I was moving on, thinking that I would have had my choice of positions a long time ago if I wanted to leave. Often, reality doesn't meet perception.

 

[Downzero]

We bumped every employee by 20%.
That lasted for 60 days before employees were once again complaining about needing a raise. We get it. The price of everything is going up, but somewhere somehow somebody has to start putting the brakes on this runaway train.

It might actually be better for everyone for the train to keep running. Nobody really knows for sure.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

A number of unions will grandfather people into their journeyman level. Ones that have never take an apprenticeship, never were checked out on equipment. Why? Because the union has a unfunded pensions. They need more workers to fund their pensions regardless of talent.

This isn't true in all cases the Western Conference of the Teamsters 93% or so funded.

Welcome | The Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Trust

wctpension.org

 

[TurboTrout]

My kids will be paying for whatever they choose to do. I want them to be poor and I want them to struggle. I will help them but I want them to figure it out as I had to because hardship cultivates a strong independent adult.

Have you considered getting them hooked on drugs or perhaps in a major car crash? It would for sure give them stuff to “overcome”

I’d rather they focus on learning their craft, networking, etc, life’s a bitch, they’ll be plenty to “overcome” without mom & dad adding to it.

 

[Rthur]

I didn’t study leftist BS, which is why my family name had a good ROI on my education.

We never covered “strawboys” were more into making money and getting the job done.

So the peak of your life was knocking a chick up? But you’re against supporting the kid into getting a good vocation and become a successful adult?

I don’t get it, for a remotely successful man who’s old enough to have a 18yr old, most tuition shouldn’t be a big factor for you, but will be a large factor for them after they graduate and get the first job.

You keep making assumptions to deflect from the fact you are talking out your ass.
Congrats?...

R

 

[SalomonQST99]

This isn't true in all cases the Western Conference of the Teamsters 93% or so funded.

Welcome | The Western Conference of Teamsters Pension Trust

wctpension.org

Yes, you're right. I didn't say it was true in all cases. I said a number of unions if you read the post. If I had said 100% of unions, you would have an argument.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Yes, you're right. I didn't say it was true in all cases. I said a number of unions if you read the post. If I had said 100% of unions, you would have an argument.

Agreed

 

[deersniper]

I don't understand your question. All businesses face these challenges. They either make a profit or fail. There is no other option realistic option for most other than to take the government's monetary and fiscal policy decisions as given.

The market doesn't care if you think it's a "healthy free market" or not. People will continue buying and selling and trading their goods and services no matter what your opinion is of how well markets are functioning. And damn should we be glad for entrepreneurs who are doing so instead of whining about the health of our markets.

It destroys the economy/businesses, offshores jobs and reduces everyone’s standard of living


And not every business faces this.
Airline auto industry all street etc bailouts
Amazon etc big business getting zero tax for 10 years to move to areas etc

 

[fpgt72]

My boy (26 and getting married in a few months) left the house at 18, could not stand to be there.

He went to a neighbors house to toss hay, and I got a call from the neighbor, I was not worried about that call. He was amazed, this 16yr old kid WORKED, and worked hard, tossed hay, drove the 4 wheeler to the barn, tossed the hay on the lift, ran it up by hand, (old barn no power) unloaded it, and came back down to do the same again.....all day long.

They tried to put him in an office and he hated every second of the day. He was flat in hell.

Currently he is doing coffee for grocery stores, more manual labor. This kid could sell snow cones to eskmos. He loves that manual labor. And he makes good money, not good money for a 26yr old, but good money.

Nothing wrong with getting your hands dirty, and there are some kids that actually do know how to work, and want to work.

 

[Bradu]

We bumped every employee by 20%.
That lasted for 60 days before employees were once again complaining about needing a raise. We get it. The price of everything is going up, but somewhere somehow somebody has to start putting the brakes on this runaway train.

The company my brother works for was losing quite a bit of help and they gave an $8 an hour raise for some of their better hands. They weren't worth that, but they are the best they have even if they are mediocre at best. Some of these companies are throwing good money out to find good help and still ending up with shit. A lot of people don't quite grasp that the company has to make a profit or they won't be around for long. As you said, it's going to have to stop somewhere.

 

[TurboTrout]

You keep making assumptions to deflect from the fact you are talking out your ass.
Congrats?...

R

Articulate

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The "slow down" is starting to show.

Best Buy cutting 'hundreds' of store jobs: WSJ

Best Buy Co Inc. undefined has cut "hundreds" of store jobs over the past few days, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday, citing people familiar with the...

www.marketwatch.com

Peloton to raise Bike+ prices by $500, will reported cut nearly 800 jobs and stock shoots up

Shares of Peloton Interactive Inc. undefined shot up 9.1% toward a two-month high in afternoon trading Friday, after the at-home fitness company announced...

www.marketwatch.com

 

[Rthur]

Articulate

Something about the following seems appropriate:

R

 

[supercorndogs]

Same goes for toxic employee. Add one complainer to a crew and pretty soon the whole crew thinks the job and life in general, sucks.

If you have a good work place culture, and treat your employees well. One whining wienie ass can make a job suck for a little while. But they usually get treated badly and quit if the other guys on the crew feel well treated and are generally ok with their job. Some people will never be happy anywhere, will always know how to do it better than anyone else, and will move from job to job quickly because they are never "appreciated." Usually a good clue is their periods of employment last 1-2 years at each job.

 

[lariat]

My boy (26 and getting married in a few months) left the house at 18, could not stand to be there.

He went to a neighbors house to toss hay, and I got a call from the neighbor, I was not worried about that call. He was amazed, this 16yr old kid WORKED, and worked hard, tossed hay, drove the 4 wheeler to the barn, tossed the hay on the lift, ran it up by hand, (old barn no power) unloaded it, and came back down to do the same again.....all day long.

They tried to put him in an office and he hated every second of the day. He was flat in hell.

Currently he is doing coffee for grocery stores, more manual labor. This kid could sell snow cones to eskmos. He loves that manual labor. And he makes good money, not good money for a 26yr old, but good money.

Nothing wrong with getting your hands dirty, and there are some kids that actually do know how to work, and want to work.

Excellent job dad. You have every right to be proud.

 

[lariat]

The "slow down" is starting to show.

Best Buy cutting 'hundreds' of store jobs: WSJ

Best Buy Co Inc. undefined has cut "hundreds" of store jobs over the past few days, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday, citing people familiar with the...

www.marketwatch.com

Peloton to raise Bike+ prices by $500, will reported cut nearly 800 jobs and stock shoots up

Shares of Peloton Interactive Inc. undefined shot up 9.1% toward a two-month high in afternoon trading Friday, after the at-home fitness company announced...

www.marketwatch.com

I have been watching this slow train wreck closely. This is one of the reasons I think it will be the employees that blink first. Or we will become fully socialist.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Or we will become fully socialist.

We will become fully socialist, but in a feudal sense.
All the poors will be equally poor and all the Elites will own everything.

Then they will hand out "guaranteed minimum income" to everyone (who isn't working) as long as they follow exactly what the government tells them to do.

 

[Bradu]

If you have a good work place culture, and treat your employees well. One whining wienie ass can make a job suck for a little while. But they usually get treated badly and quit if the other guys on the crew feel well treated and are generally ok with their job. Some people will never be happy anywhere, will always know how to do it better than anyone else, and will move from job to job quickly because they are never "appreciated." Usually a good clue is their periods of employment last 1-2 years at each job.

Guess I've been the whine ass wienie the last 5 or 6 years because that's all the longer I've lasted at a job in that time. I get tired of being the guy that gets to do all the rework from worthless ass coworkers. It also gets old when coworkers don't even attempt to fix an issue, they tell the boss they don't do electrical or diagnostics so they can play on their phone while you have to do their job. It would be different if people made an effort to pay attention and try to learn, but it's easier to just say I can't do it and fuck off.

The rental mechanic job is a good example, we had a minimum of 3-4 service calls every day when I started. After being there for almost a year, our service calls went down to 2 or 3 a week and half of those were equipment shipped in from other stores. That was even with us down a mechanic that quit shortly after I started. I spent over $40k in batteries if that tells you the type of maintenance program they had.

 

[MadDuner]

We will become fully socialist, but in a feudal sense.
All the poors will be equally poor and all the Elites will own everything.

Then they will hand out "guaranteed minimum income" to everyone (who isn't working) as long as they follow exactly what the government tells them to do.

I hope I live long enough to watch the socialists that thought they would get free shit - when they are forced to do manual labor to get fed.

 

[gigamortis]

If you have a good work place culture, and treat your employees well. One whining wienie ass can make a job suck for a little while. But they usually get treated badly and quit if the other guys on the crew feel well treated and are generally ok with their job. Some people will never be happy anywhere, will always know how to do it better than anyone else, and will move from job to job quickly because they are never "appreciated." Usually a good clue is their periods of employment last 1-2 years at each job.

If you aren't moving to another job every 2-3 years, you aren't getting paid what you are worth. Job hopping provides faster raises than any smoke and mirrors cost of living "calculations". Working a multitude of different jobs makes one more well rounded with exposure to more varieties of equipment.

I've worked in industrial maintenance jobs that had ancient hard wire relay logic and AB SLC-500 PLCs. AB stopped supporting that platform many years ago. Spare parts are on Ebay if you are lucky. If that company laid off any of its 20+ year maintenance employees, they would be worthless in any other modern manufacturing facility because they had no exposure to the latest and greatest tech.

I've never left a job because the work was too hard. It's always bad management that runs the best and brightest off. Those kind of companies are stuck with 20+ year employees simply because they can't find a job anywhere else.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I hope I live long enough to watch the socialists that thought they would get free shit - when they are forced to do manual labor to get fed.

If you can work hard, you'll be useful to keep around you might get to live to see those same stupid idealists get put up against the wall for being useless complainers.

Pretty much how it always happens.