I have $3500 to spend on an AR10 rig. What would you recommend? Larue, GAP, APA, DPMS Sass, LMT, POF?
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Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
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Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
GAP-10
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GAP-10
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Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
POF. What part of White Moutains are you in? I would be happy to let you shoot mine and try it out next time I run up there.
POF. What part of White Moutains are you in? I would be happy to let you shoot mine and try it out next time I run up there.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Decisions, decisions.
I would skip the REPR, no personal experience, but just hearing about all the problems getting them to run.
POF 308s, not much to choose from, very little supply. I've had multiple customers asking for them in the last month or so and had very few choices to offer them, both going direct and through their biggest 2 distributors.
LMT, not sure about the 308/7.62s, only had the 5.56/6.8s through me, but those were pretty good, although we had one odd failure on an LMT complete lower they sent us, an L7C4 I think, the ambi SOPMOD one, and the bolt release snapped. I've never seen that failure before in any AR. Not the inside part, mind you, the oval tab, snapped from a sharp palm smack, kinda surprised me on an almost $500 assembled lower...
No much LaRue/GAP/APA love in our store, aside from one used GAP 7000 that will probably never sell...
We are big Noveske fans though, but again, finding a 308/7.62 N6 right now would probably be just as hard as the POF 308, very slim pickings at the moment...
Now, about the DPMS, we actually ordered in a SASS for a Fed a while back, and I thought it was quite a bit more bang for the buck than an Armalite SASS, and with your budget, it might be ideal.
Already has the Harris/Magpul PRS, BUIS, etc etc, and you'd have over $1500 left over to get some good optics and round out your rig.
For some of your other name brands, you'll blow a lot of your budget on a fancy piston rifle, and will have to squeeze by on the rest of the "rig".
I say, get the SASS, a bunch of PMAGs, and a premium scope/red dot/holographic of your choice, and you'll still have money left over for ammo.
Decisions, decisions.
I would skip the REPR, no personal experience, but just hearing about all the problems getting them to run.
POF 308s, not much to choose from, very little supply. I've had multiple customers asking for them in the last month or so and had very few choices to offer them, both going direct and through their biggest 2 distributors.
LMT, not sure about the 308/7.62s, only had the 5.56/6.8s through me, but those were pretty good, although we had one odd failure on an LMT complete lower they sent us, an L7C4 I think, the ambi SOPMOD one, and the bolt release snapped. I've never seen that failure before in any AR. Not the inside part, mind you, the oval tab, snapped from a sharp palm smack, kinda surprised me on an almost $500 assembled lower...
No much LaRue/GAP/APA love in our store, aside from one used GAP 7000 that will probably never sell...
We are big Noveske fans though, but again, finding a 308/7.62 N6 right now would probably be just as hard as the POF 308, very slim pickings at the moment...
Now, about the DPMS, we actually ordered in a SASS for a Fed a while back, and I thought it was quite a bit more bang for the buck than an Armalite SASS, and with your budget, it might be ideal.
Already has the Harris/Magpul PRS, BUIS, etc etc, and you'd have over $1500 left over to get some good optics and round out your rig.
For some of your other name brands, you'll blow a lot of your budget on a fancy piston rifle, and will have to squeeze by on the rest of the "rig".
I say, get the SASS, a bunch of PMAGs, and a premium scope/red dot/holographic of your choice, and you'll still have money left over for ammo.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
DPMS or compatible lower
Fultom Armory Phantom upper w/ your choice of barrel (Get side-cocking version if you shoot prone)
Geiselle 2-stage
Magpul Gen II stock
Assorted parts from Brownell's etc.
AD Recon mount
Insert your choice of optic - you'll have about $1200 to play with.
You will have a supreme shooter and can assemble yourself in 2 hours or less.
DPMS or compatible lower
Fultom Armory Phantom upper w/ your choice of barrel (Get side-cocking version if you shoot prone)
Geiselle 2-stage
Magpul Gen II stock
Assorted parts from Brownell's etc.
AD Recon mount
Insert your choice of optic - you'll have about $1200 to play with.
You will have a supreme shooter and can assemble yourself in 2 hours or less.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Decisions, decisions.
I would skip the REPR, no personal experience, but just hearing about all the problems getting them to run.
POF 308s, not much to choose from, very little supply. I've had multiple customers asking for them in the last month or so and had very few choices to offer them, both going direct and through their biggest 2 distributors.
LMT, not sure about the 308/7.62s, only had the 5.56/6.8s through me, but those were pretty good, although we had one odd failure on an LMT complete lower they sent us, an L7C4 I think, the ambi SOPMOD one, and the bolt release snapped. I've never seen that failure before in any AR. Not the inside part, mind you, the oval tab, snapped from a sharp palm smack, kinda surprised me on an almost $500 assembled lower...
No much LaRue/GAP/APA love in our store, aside from one used GAP 7000 that will probably never sell...
We are big Noveske fans though, but again, finding a 308/7.62 N6 right now would probably be just as hard as the POF 308, very slim pickings at the moment...
Now, about the DPMS, we actually ordered in a SASS for a Fed a while back, and I thought it was quite a bit more bang for the buck than an Armalite SASS, and with your budget, it might be ideal.
Already has the Harris/Magpul PRS, BUIS, etc etc, and you'd have over $1500 left over to get some good optics and round out your rig.
For some of your other name brands, you'll blow a lot of your budget on a fancy piston rifle, and will have to squeeze by on the rest of the "rig".
I say, get the SASS, a bunch of PMAGs, and a premium scope/red dot/holographic of your choice, and you'll still have money left over for ammo. </div></div>
Brilliant advice. You suggest the OP skip over the best of the bunch--DUE TO YOUR LACK OF EXPERIENCE WITH THEM!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Decisions, decisions.
I would skip the REPR, no personal experience, but just hearing about all the problems getting them to run.
POF 308s, not much to choose from, very little supply. I've had multiple customers asking for them in the last month or so and had very few choices to offer them, both going direct and through their biggest 2 distributors.
LMT, not sure about the 308/7.62s, only had the 5.56/6.8s through me, but those were pretty good, although we had one odd failure on an LMT complete lower they sent us, an L7C4 I think, the ambi SOPMOD one, and the bolt release snapped. I've never seen that failure before in any AR. Not the inside part, mind you, the oval tab, snapped from a sharp palm smack, kinda surprised me on an almost $500 assembled lower...
No much LaRue/GAP/APA love in our store, aside from one used GAP 7000 that will probably never sell...
We are big Noveske fans though, but again, finding a 308/7.62 N6 right now would probably be just as hard as the POF 308, very slim pickings at the moment...
Now, about the DPMS, we actually ordered in a SASS for a Fed a while back, and I thought it was quite a bit more bang for the buck than an Armalite SASS, and with your budget, it might be ideal.
Already has the Harris/Magpul PRS, BUIS, etc etc, and you'd have over $1500 left over to get some good optics and round out your rig.
For some of your other name brands, you'll blow a lot of your budget on a fancy piston rifle, and will have to squeeze by on the rest of the "rig".
I say, get the SASS, a bunch of PMAGs, and a premium scope/red dot/holographic of your choice, and you'll still have money left over for ammo. </div></div>
Brilliant advice. You suggest the OP skip over the best of the bunch--DUE TO YOUR LACK OF EXPERIENCE WITH THEM!
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
If I had 3500$ to spend on an Large caliber AR, i'd get a bone stock LaRue and optic. Thats just me because I wan't one.
I have a DPMS SASS thats modded and am still looking at putting 600$ more worth of parts into it. Then again I'm an addict
before anybody comes into here saying DPMS sucks, It took me 340 rounds for my shit to shoot right (mostly due to optic mount issues... and me being a dumb@%# and forgetting to tighten down my screws on my rail...) but now that it does, it drives tacks. under 1 MOA is easy pie at 100. as far as reliability? the JP trigger group produced some light primer strikes and failure to fires on some batches of Hornady TAP 168.... Thus the Giesselle SSA-E that i'm throwing in it....
However If I could do it all over again, I'd prob get a LaRue 20" OBR...
If I had 3500$ to spend on an Large caliber AR, i'd get a bone stock LaRue and optic. Thats just me because I wan't one.
I have a DPMS SASS thats modded and am still looking at putting 600$ more worth of parts into it. Then again I'm an addict
However If I could do it all over again, I'd prob get a LaRue 20" OBR...
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nfoley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">POF. What part of White Moutains are you in? I would be happy to let you shoot mine and try it out next time I run up there.</div></div>
I would take him up on this, you should check one out. Mine's new, so haven't tested accuracy yet, but for less than a Larue or LWRC I think the POF's are a bargain. They are HARD to find though with the newer rail system. Gunbroker would be your best bet. Talked to a guy yesterday at the range that has had his order in for over 4 months already.
$3500 would get you a POF and most of the way to a Nightforce or similar. Haven't handled the REPR or OBR, so they may very well be better rifles. If my budget had allowed I would have at least handled them all before purchasing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nfoley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">POF. What part of White Moutains are you in? I would be happy to let you shoot mine and try it out next time I run up there.</div></div>
I would take him up on this, you should check one out. Mine's new, so haven't tested accuracy yet, but for less than a Larue or LWRC I think the POF's are a bargain. They are HARD to find though with the newer rail system. Gunbroker would be your best bet. Talked to a guy yesterday at the range that has had his order in for over 4 months already.
$3500 would get you a POF and most of the way to a Nightforce or similar. Haven't handled the REPR or OBR, so they may very well be better rifles. If my budget had allowed I would have at least handled them all before purchasing.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Probably GAP or POF no doubt. I have a DPMS, it's ok but a little more money can get you a whole lot more rifle. I can vouch for the accuracy of the POF stuff, the AR10 platform isn't a bad second choice, and GAP are renowned for being top notch, the others I have no experience.
Probably GAP or POF no doubt. I have a DPMS, it's ok but a little more money can get you a whole lot more rifle. I can vouch for the accuracy of the POF stuff, the AR10 platform isn't a bad second choice, and GAP are renowned for being top notch, the others I have no experience.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Of course, I'm going to say get the POF but as others have mentioned, you'll have difficulty finding one with the newer rail system. That being said, take a look at Gunbroker because I believe I saw one for sale from an individual.
As for the REPR, I've handled and fired one. It's a nice rifle but in my opinion, it isn't nicer than the POF.
Everyone is going to have their own personal favorite. The best thing you can do for yourself is find someone who will let you handle one before taking the leap. If I had it to do all over again, I would still purchase a POF over anything else except for maybe a GAP-10 and that's only because the POF is made with proprietary parts.
Of course, I'm going to say get the POF but as others have mentioned, you'll have difficulty finding one with the newer rail system. That being said, take a look at Gunbroker because I believe I saw one for sale from an individual.
As for the REPR, I've handled and fired one. It's a nice rifle but in my opinion, it isn't nicer than the POF.
Everyone is going to have their own personal favorite. The best thing you can do for yourself is find someone who will let you handle one before taking the leap. If I had it to do all over again, I would still purchase a POF over anything else except for maybe a GAP-10 and that's only because the POF is made with proprietary parts.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coues7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have $3500 to spend on an AR10 rig. What would you recommend? Larue, GAP, APA, DPMS Sass, LMT, POF? </div></div>
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and have a ton left over for the wife, girlfriend, mistress or more goodies for this:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...151#Post2734151
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coues7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have $3500 to spend on an AR10 rig. What would you recommend? Larue, GAP, APA, DPMS Sass, LMT, POF? </div></div>
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http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...151#Post2734151
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds
Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds</div></div>
Can you provide photos and/or details to substantiate that claim? Telling the OP to build his own custom setup is one thing but claiming to shoot sub 1/2 moa out to 800yds is totally different. That would mean at 800yds, your group was less than 4". I'm not saying its entirely impossible but there are very few shooters on this forum that could put up groups like that with an AR-10.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds</div></div>
Can you provide photos and/or details to substantiate that claim? Telling the OP to build his own custom setup is one thing but claiming to shoot sub 1/2 moa out to 800yds is totally different. That would mean at 800yds, your group was less than 4". I'm not saying its entirely impossible but there are very few shooters on this forum that could put up groups like that with an AR-10.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Kill Shot photos have been taken of numerous groups at different ranges (even with witnesses)and and I have the specs (and round count through it and any of my long range rifles)and am more than happy to share with anyone. I am a dyed in the wool bolt guy but have seen and seen much better shooters than me shoot some scary accurate shots with AR 10'sand have had to change my opinion of the platforms long range effectiveness.
As we all know anything that is past 500yds wind and perfect conditions along with the biological component of the weapon system being on are a key to grouping
Semper Fi
Kill Shot photos have been taken of numerous groups at different ranges (even with witnesses)and and I have the specs (and round count through it and any of my long range rifles)and am more than happy to share with anyone. I am a dyed in the wool bolt guy but have seen and seen much better shooters than me shoot some scary accurate shots with AR 10'sand have had to change my opinion of the platforms long range effectiveness.
As we all know anything that is past 500yds wind and perfect conditions along with the biological component of the weapon system being on are a key to grouping
Semper Fi
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kill Shot photos have been taken of numerous groups at different ranges (even with witnesses)and and I have the specs (and round count through it and any of my long range rifles)and am more than happy to share with anyone. I am a dyed in the wool bolt guy but have seen and seen much better shooters than me shoot some scary accurate shots with AR 10'sand have had to change my opinion of the platforms long range effectiveness.
As we all know anything that is past 500yds wind and perfect conditions along with the biological component of the weapon system being on are a key to grouping
Semper Fi
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Well said, and I am impressed. I can only hope to achieve such accuracy over time. I'm only an amateur and don't get to shoot as oftener as I would like.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kill Shot photos have been taken of numerous groups at different ranges (even with witnesses)and and I have the specs (and round count through it and any of my long range rifles)and am more than happy to share with anyone. I am a dyed in the wool bolt guy but have seen and seen much better shooters than me shoot some scary accurate shots with AR 10'sand have had to change my opinion of the platforms long range effectiveness.
As we all know anything that is past 500yds wind and perfect conditions along with the biological component of the weapon system being on are a key to grouping
Semper Fi
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Well said, and I am impressed. I can only hope to achieve such accuracy over time. I'm only an amateur and don't get to shoot as oftener as I would like.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
RND Manufacturing, Edgemont, Colorado
RND CNC machined matched upper and lower receivers
Super match barrel
Left sided non-reciprocating charging handle
Hard black anodized with black or gray gun coat
Integral Picatinny rail
Speed lock hammer
Titanium firing pin
Oversized charging handle
Oversized bolt face
3.5 lb. trigger pull
Free floating barrel
Super match barrel
Modular hand guard
Adjustable stocks
Magazine – MIA
ACCESSORIES
Muzzle brakes
Tactical rings
Bipods
Uni-Pods
Accessory rails
Magazines
Camo colors
SPECIFICATIONS
Action type Piston gas operated, semi-automatic
Caliber .308 / 7.62 NATO
Frame 21 inches
Weight 11 lbs.
Barrel length 20 – 26 inches
Base Price: $3,795
RND Manufacturing, Edgemont, Colorado
RND CNC machined matched upper and lower receivers
Super match barrel
Left sided non-reciprocating charging handle
Hard black anodized with black or gray gun coat
Integral Picatinny rail
Speed lock hammer
Titanium firing pin
Oversized charging handle
Oversized bolt face
3.5 lb. trigger pull
Free floating barrel
Super match barrel
Modular hand guard
Adjustable stocks
Magazine – MIA
ACCESSORIES
Muzzle brakes
Tactical rings
Bipods
Uni-Pods
Accessory rails
Magazines
Camo colors
SPECIFICATIONS
Action type Piston gas operated, semi-automatic
Caliber .308 / 7.62 NATO
Frame 21 inches
Weight 11 lbs.
Barrel length 20 – 26 inches
Base Price: $3,795
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
For the price given I would go Larue.
I think he makes the second best
Semi-Auto .308/7.62mm gun available.
I've got one of eveything on the planet to shoot here.
I own my own SR-25EMC, but I would not feel bad buying a Larue.
One thing I would recommend for eveyone is to buy one with the SR-25 mag pattern..
For the price given I would go Larue.
I think he makes the second best
I've got one of eveything on the planet to shoot here.
I own my own SR-25EMC, but I would not feel bad buying a Larue.
One thing I would recommend for eveyone is to buy one with the SR-25 mag pattern..
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
I say build your own (keep the cost under 2k) or get one from a custom shop APA GAP etc. If you want a piston gun then POF or PWS in 16".
I say build your own (keep the cost under 2k) or get one from a custom shop APA GAP etc. If you want a piston gun then POF or PWS in 16".
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP-10 and be done with it. </div></div>
Couldn't have said it better myself....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP-10 and be done with it. </div></div>
Couldn't have said it better myself....
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the price given I would go Larue.
I think he makes the second best
Semi-Auto .308/7.62mm gun available
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Haven't played with a GAP10 have you? Its the best in my opinion out of GAP, KAC, and Larue when it comes to outright accuracy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the price given I would go Larue.
I think he makes the second best
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Haven't played with a GAP10 have you? Its the best in my opinion out of GAP, KAC, and Larue when it comes to outright accuracy.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds </div></div>
I would have to agree with branson1369, BUT if you're not comfortable building your own that's understandable. Have you looked at the DPMS version of the REPR? It is a decent rifle for the price (its available in black in case you don't like FDE). They can be found for around $2300 and is about 2lbs lighter than the DPMS SASS (lighter contour barrel and lighter handguard)
As far as POF goes, they make a great rifle but I would go with the GAP-10 over the POF. By adding the PRS and brake to the GAP-10 it brings the price to about $3000, which is what the standard POF goes for.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds </div></div>
I would have to agree with branson1369, BUT if you're not comfortable building your own that's understandable. Have you looked at the DPMS version of the REPR? It is a decent rifle for the price (its available in black in case you don't like FDE). They can be found for around $2300 and is about 2lbs lighter than the DPMS SASS (lighter contour barrel and lighter handguard)
As far as POF goes, they make a great rifle but I would go with the GAP-10 over the POF. By adding the PRS and brake to the GAP-10 it brings the price to about $3000, which is what the standard POF goes for.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Actually I have, but its problems lie in the magazine being a AR-10 mag.
Reliability is my #1 criteria when selecting a gun.
Accuracy is #2, a high 2, but I won't buy a gun that has a historically flawed mag, I would buy a bolt gun if I wanted a single shot system
Actually I have, but its problems lie in the magazine being a AR-10 mag.
Reliability is my #1 criteria when selecting a gun.
Accuracy is #2, a high 2, but I won't buy a gun that has a historically flawed mag, I would buy a bolt gun if I wanted a single shot system
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually I have, but its problems lie in the magazine being a AR-10 mag.
Reliability is my #1 criteria when selecting a gun.
Accuracy is #2, a high 2, but I won't buy a gun that has a historically flawed mag, I would buy a bolt gun if I wanted a single shot system
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Huh? GAP10s run the same mag types as KACs.......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually I have, but its problems lie in the magazine being a AR-10 mag.
Reliability is my #1 criteria when selecting a gun.
Accuracy is #2, a high 2, but I won't buy a gun that has a historically flawed mag, I would buy a bolt gun if I wanted a single shot system
Huh? GAP10s run the same mag types as KACs.......
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Gap-10 is made off a POF lower. It is a relatively new system. There are plant of GAP worked over AR-10s and DpMSs out there though, perhaps you ran across one of those.
Gap-10 is made off a POF lower. It is a relatively new system. There are plant of GAP worked over AR-10s and DpMSs out there though, perhaps you ran across one of those.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
I thought GAP-10 ran LR Pmags.
Maybe you're thinking old GAP off Armalite platform?
I thought GAP-10 ran LR Pmags.
Maybe you're thinking old GAP off Armalite platform?
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
The GAP-10 lower is a POF lower and it accepts POF-USA, C-Products, DPMS, Knights Armament, LaRue, MagPul™ and the original AR-10 waffle magazines.
Source:
http://www.pof-usa.com/p308/P308-20-MRR-H.htm
The GAP-10 lower is a POF lower and it accepts POF-USA, C-Products, DPMS, Knights Armament, LaRue, MagPul™ and the original AR-10 waffle magazines.
Source:
http://www.pof-usa.com/p308/P308-20-MRR-H.htm
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Under this nickel is a five shot group that was shot at 100 yards by a complete rattard with a GAP-10. Can't beat that.
Under this nickel is a five shot group that was shot at 100 yards by a complete rattard with a GAP-10. Can't beat that.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds</div></div>
Can you provide photos and/or details to substantiate that claim? Telling the OP to build his own custom setup is one thing but claiming to shoot sub 1/2 moa out to 800yds is totally different. That would mean at 800yds, your group was less than 4". I'm not saying its entirely impossible but there are very few shooters on this forum that could put up groups like that with an AR-10. </div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds</div></div>
Can you provide photos and/or details to substantiate that claim? Telling the OP to build his own custom setup is one thing but claiming to shoot sub 1/2 moa out to 800yds is totally different. That would mean at 800yds, your group was less than 4". I'm not saying its entirely impossible but there are very few shooters on this forum that could put up groups like that with an AR-10. </div></div>
+1
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Buy an LMT MWS and send it to GAP then you have the best of both world, reliability and precision
Buy an LMT MWS and send it to GAP then you have the best of both world, reliability and precision
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenderfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy an LMT MWS and send it to GAP then you have the best of both world, reliability and precision
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Sorry, I don't mean to derail the thread, but what can GAP do with an MWS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenderfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy an LMT MWS and send it to GAP then you have the best of both world, reliability and precision
Sorry, I don't mean to derail the thread, but what can GAP do with an MWS?
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenderfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy an LMT MWS and send it to GAP then you have the best of both world, reliability and precision
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The LMT MWS dreams of being a GAP when it grows up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tenderfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy an LMT MWS and send it to GAP then you have the best of both world, reliability and precision
The LMT MWS dreams of being a GAP when it grows up.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
LOL - I've owned the old armalite based GAP, 3 DPMS guns, and a Larue OBR. Get the OBR if you want a great mix of reliability and accuracy. Mine shot bolt gun accurate. The GAP was pretty good - I wouldn't own it over an OBR though. I don't know about the new GAP-10 though.
LOL - I've owned the old armalite based GAP, 3 DPMS guns, and a Larue OBR. Get the OBR if you want a great mix of reliability and accuracy. Mine shot bolt gun accurate. The GAP was pretty good - I wouldn't own it over an OBR though. I don't know about the new GAP-10 though.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun.
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Built mine for around $2500. It's no different putting together than your run of the mill AR15. Parts are just bigger.
Built mine for around $2500. It's no different putting together than your run of the mill AR15. Parts are just bigger.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
My bad -- I guess I've only seen his old AR-10 based ones.
Please ignore my previosu comments.
My bad -- I guess I've only seen his old AR-10 based ones.
Please ignore my previosu comments.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun.</div></div>
What's your point exactly? What makes an RND so much better than the competition?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun.</div></div>
What's your point exactly? What makes an RND so much better than the competition?
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
I would say that an innovative factory gun that shoots is probably beating a gun that a smith put together from the same parts you and I can get and said "Here ya go!"
Gunsmith built gun =
1. Factory parts. How is this better than the factory parts the factory used again?
2. Usually a great barrel. Some factory rifles have barrels this good. Apples = apples.
3. The smith tightened screws, nuts, and bolts. I agree - the factory folks probably don't have the right tools to properly tighten screws, nuts, and bolts.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I agree with people saying build your own...and the people saying buy an innovative factory gun.
Roll your own gun is better than having a smith roll you one out of the same parts and charging a $1000 uptick. And the OBR and KAC guns are better than doing either. I rest now.
I would say that an innovative factory gun that shoots is probably beating a gun that a smith put together from the same parts you and I can get and said "Here ya go!"
Gunsmith built gun =
1. Factory parts. How is this better than the factory parts the factory used again?
2. Usually a great barrel. Some factory rifles have barrels this good. Apples = apples.
3. The smith tightened screws, nuts, and bolts. I agree - the factory folks probably don't have the right tools to properly tighten screws, nuts, and bolts.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I agree with people saying build your own...and the people saying buy an innovative factory gun.
Roll your own gun is better than having a smith roll you one out of the same parts and charging a $1000 uptick. And the OBR and KAC guns are better than doing either. I rest now.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun. </div></div>
Your seriously F'ing Kidding right.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun. </div></div>
Your seriously F'ing Kidding right.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun. </div></div>
Your seriously F'ing Kidding right? </div></div>
Ha ha ha! That was my thought as well but I figured I'd wait for someone else to make that statement.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
All those guns y'all are referring to are generally mass-produced, cookie cutter, stamped out parts made things compared to an RND gun. </div></div>
Your seriously F'ing Kidding right? </div></div>
Ha ha ha! That was my thought as well but I figured I'd wait for someone else to make that statement.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
I've been faced with this decision before...Let me say it this way. I have a great deal on a SR25, REPR, POF, and LMT if your interested. My GAP10 isn't for sale!
I've been faced with this decision before...Let me say it this way. I have a great deal on a SR25, REPR, POF, and LMT if your interested. My GAP10 isn't for sale!
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
Oh, I've already sold the OBR for those that are getting ready to tell me to try one of those. Not bashing any other brands but if your looking for the best then this has been my experience.
Oh, I've already sold the OBR for those that are getting ready to tell me to try one of those. Not bashing any other brands but if your looking for the best then this has been my experience.
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds </div></div>
One of the beauties of this option is you do not even need to buy all the components new, want to try a whiz- bang stock, trigger or float tube, buy it used and if it does not float your boat after running it awhile, move it along for a few $$ loss. The MA-10 is a good upper/lower set for reasonable $$ , a couple of the minor differences between the small/large body AR's make the large even easier to put together
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build your own with top shelf components and put the additional $1,000 to $1500 toward glass and ammo. Tons of folks on the Hide with expepreince building top shelf AR 10's. Happy to send you a build ref. spreadsheet if you want just send me a PM or e-mail. MY build is sub 1/2 MOA as long as I do my part so far out to 800yds </div></div>
One of the beauties of this option is you do not even need to buy all the components new, want to try a whiz- bang stock, trigger or float tube, buy it used and if it does not float your boat after running it awhile, move it along for a few $$ loss. The MA-10 is a good upper/lower set for reasonable $$ , a couple of the minor differences between the small/large body AR's make the large even easier to put together
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
George brings up a great point the approach is easier on the budget and mine took less tahn 4 hours to build.
I would never attempt to build a bolt gun as that needs a true craftsman way above my skill level. That said I will always build my own personal AR's in the future
George brings up a great point the approach is easier on the budget and mine took less tahn 4 hours to build.
I would never attempt to build a bolt gun as that needs a true craftsman way above my skill level. That said I will always build my own personal AR's in the future
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never attempt to build a bolt gun as that needs a true craftsman way above my skill level. That said I will always build my own personal AR's......</div></div>
This!!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would never attempt to build a bolt gun as that needs a true craftsman way above my skill level. That said I will always build my own personal AR's......</div></div>
This!!!!
Re: Which AR10 to get? ($3500 rifle budget)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RND Manufacturing, Edgemont, Colorado
RND CNC machined matched upper and lower receivers
Super match barrel
Left sided non-reciprocating charging handle
Hard black anodized with black or gray gun coat
Integral Picatinny rail
Speed lock hammer
Titanium firing pin
Oversized charging handle
Oversized bolt face
3.5 lb. trigger pull
Free floating barrel
Super match barrel
Modular hand guard
Adjustable stocks
Magazine – MIA
ACCESSORIES
Muzzle brakes
Tactical rings
Bipods
Uni-Pods
Accessory rails
Magazines
Camo colors
SPECIFICATIONS
Action type Piston gas operated, semi-automatic
Caliber .308 / 7.62 NATO
Frame 21 inches
Weight 11 lbs.
Barrel length 20 – 26 inches
Base Price: $3,795
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No.</div></div>
Damn, that barrel must be something "super" special since they mentioned it TWICE in the specs. Honestly, I don't see how it's going to be any better than one of the premium AR's mentioned in this thread and certainly no different, other than the fugly look of that thing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RND Manufacturing, Edgemont, Colorado
RND CNC machined matched upper and lower receivers
Super match barrel
Left sided non-reciprocating charging handle
Hard black anodized with black or gray gun coat
Integral Picatinny rail
Speed lock hammer
Titanium firing pin
Oversized charging handle
Oversized bolt face
3.5 lb. trigger pull
Free floating barrel
Super match barrel
Modular hand guard
Adjustable stocks
Magazine – MIA
ACCESSORIES
Muzzle brakes
Tactical rings
Bipods
Uni-Pods
Accessory rails
Magazines
Camo colors
SPECIFICATIONS
Action type Piston gas operated, semi-automatic
Caliber .308 / 7.62 NATO
Frame 21 inches
Weight 11 lbs.
Barrel length 20 – 26 inches
Base Price: $3,795
No.</div></div>
Damn, that barrel must be something "super" special since they mentioned it TWICE in the specs. Honestly, I don't see how it's going to be any better than one of the premium AR's mentioned in this thread and certainly no different, other than the fugly look of that thing.
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