Which AR15 type .22???

[SuckitTrebek]

I'm interested in picking up an AR15 style .22 rifle for training purposes.

So far I've looked into:

Colt $600 shipped
S&W $400 shipped

http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=SW-811033



If anyone has experience with or can recommend one out there I'd appreciate it. Closest to a 5.56 rifle would be great.

The barrel must be threaded to accept an outback II suppressor.

It also must be a dedicated entire firearm, not just an upper or conversion kit.

I'm thinking the S&W is a winner

 

[frog5215]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

Colt's a zinc airsoft POS.

S&W duplicates the manual of arms for an AR and accepts AR triggers of all types. A better gun for less money.

If you own an AR .223, the best thing is a dedicated upper from Spike's Tactical, TacSol, or Model 1 Sales. You'll be using the same lower as your duty gun, same trigger, etc.

The only diff is with a dedicated upper on your AR, the bolt catch is nonfunctional. Modern mags hold the bolt open on the follower, but the bolt closes when you pull the mag, so mag changes require stroking the charging handle.

A dedicated upper is sturdier and duplicated the weight of your duty gun. I've even built a MK12 SPR to play with.

May I ask why a dedicated upper is off the table? They're almost all threaded. and use actual milspec receivers, sights handguards, etc. You can EXACTLY duplicate any .223 upper .

The Colt isn't threaded with 1/2x28.
Some versions of the S&W are threaded 1/2x28.

If you're through Fort Worth soon, give a shout, you can look at my stuff: Kuehl A-3 20", M1S 16" HB CAR on 9mm upper, Spike's ST-22 16" HB CAR Lothar Walther. Compass Lake 18"SPR.

Within your criteria, the S&W is the one, but make sure it's the threaded variant.

 

[ADT]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

Ohhhh please give pics of the MK12

 

[jeffm]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

The S&W or the Spike's Tactical, TacSol, or Model 1 Sales uppers have the ability to fire out of battery. I do not know about the Colt. After having problems with one of the popular uppers not running well and then having a case rupture from firing our of battery, I went with the Ruger SR-22. It is not quite as "fun" as the actual AR upper, and the controls are a little diffrent, but it runs well, shoots well and I'm not worried about the guy at the next bench getting sprayed with brass and hot gas when I shoot it.

 

[SuckitTrebek]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Colt's a zinc airsoft POS.

S&W duplicates the manual of arms for an AR and accepts AR triggers of all types. A better gun for less money.

If you own an AR .223, the best thing is a dedicated upper from Spike's Tactical, TacSol, or Model 1 Sales. You'll be using the same lower as your duty gun, same trigger, etc.

The only diff is with a dedicated upper on your AR, the bolt catch is nonfunctional. Modern mags hold the bolt open on the follower, but the bolt closes when you pull the mag, so mag changes require stroking the charging handle.

A dedicated upper is sturdier and duplicated the weight of your duty gun. I've even built a MK12 SPR to play with.

May I ask why a dedicated upper is off the table? They're almost all threaded. and use actual milspec receivers, sights handguards, etc. You can EXACTLY duplicate any .223 upper .

The Colt isn't threaded with 1/2x28.
Some versions of the S&W are threaded 1/2x28.

If you're through Fort Worth soon, give a shout, you can look at my stuff: Kuehl A-3 20", M1S 16" HB CAR on 9mm upper, Spike's ST-22 16" HB CAR Lothar Walther. Compass Lake 18"SPR.

Within your criteria, the S&W is the one, but make sure it's the threaded variant. </div></div>

Can get the threaded S&W for $430 after taxes.

Dedicated uppers are off the table because it seems I can get an entire rifle for less.

 

[smokshwn]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

I love my TacSol dedicated upper...Infinitely better than either the Colt or Plastic S&W option.

If you have some patience Nordic Components is coming out with a dedicated 22 upper that was designed from the ground up as a 22 replacement upper vs. a conversion unit. It will accept the use of match trigger, subsonic ammo etc etc.

Here's a link. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101518&hl=nordic%2022&st=0

Nordic's products are all topnotch so there is no reason to think this one will not be.

 

[SuckitTrebek]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

I'm not sure how the TacSol is infinitely better.

I don't want to use a match trigger or subsonic ammo.

And it's a couple hundred less

 

[frog5215]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeffm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The S&W or the Spike's Tactical, TacSol, or Model 1 Sales uppers have the ability to fire out of battery. I do not know about the Colt. After having problems with one of the popular uppers not running well and then having a case rupture from firing our of battery, I went with the Ruger SR-22. It is not quite as "fun" as the actual AR upper, and the controls are a little diffrent, but it runs well, shoots well and I'm not worried about the guy at the next bench getting sprayed with brass and hot gas when I shoot it. </div></div>

10/22s can certainly fire out of battery, too.
In fact, I think nearly ALL .22 semiautos can fire out of battery, and have slam fires, though clearly some guns are more prone to this than others.

Sadly, it happens to S&Ws, too. The extractor gets launched.

I guess I understand the drive for the "complete" gun.


ADT, just Google "MK12 SPR". Except for the Spectre instead of the OPS, Inc 12th model can, it's just the same, a good money after bad project- MOD 0. PRI Gen III handguard, ARMS Swan Sleeve, ARMS QD rings and bipod mount, PRI gas block/flip up front sight and lopro BUIS rear. A-2 butt. eXplore Optics 3.5-10x40 30mm scope- sort of a Leupold MK4 clone, but only $300.
I'll get pics up someday.

 

[Fuji]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

I am going to get one soon and this is my thinking. The colt is a plastic and felt cheap, S&W looks great but it has a plastic rail and handguard. I am worried it will wear out in time. I am leaning towards the Sig 522 swat. Very heavy duty and it was just like the Sig 556. You should check it out before you make the final decision. http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=66&productid=287
I have not shot any of these so I am just going by feel.

Good luck

 

[PRDRIVER]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

If you already have an AR-15, get an upper receiver from Spike's Tactical or Tactical Solutions.

 

[MtGoat]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

The nice thing about using your goto lower is you get use to the feel of the trigger and have all of the experience of the real deal just without the recoil. Spikes or Tactical Solutions work well.

Pat

 

[rookie7]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm interested in picking up an AR15 style .22 rifle for training purposes.

So far I've looked into:

Colt $600 shipped
S&W $400 shipped

http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=SW-811033



If anyone has experience with or can recommend one out there I'd appreciate it. Closest to a 5.56 rifle would be great.

The barrel must be threaded to accept an outback II suppressor.

It also must be a dedicated entire firearm, not just an upper or conversion kit.

I'm thinking the S&W is a winner </div></div>

I like the smith too. That link you gave for GT distributors can civilians buy from them too at prices listed? Or not at all?

thanks

 

[Neo]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

I got my Smith about 3 wks ago. Not 1 problem to report after 800+ rnds of fed bulk ammo thru it. Have had too much snow to get it out to 50-100 yds but @ the 50' indoor range the thing groups quite well. As soon as it warms up and the snow melts I'm gonna get it and my new Savage Tr out to 100 yds.

 

[SuckitTrebek]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

yep civilians can buy from them. only certain firearms, like glocks are restricted.

If I put my "go to" lower on my .22 upper it wouldn't be my go to gun anymore would it?

I'm not sure about the concern for the polymer wearing out. There are more than enough examples out there that it is perfectly durable.

For a couple hundered less I'll go with the S&W.

This is a fun plinking gun while keeping with a platform I"m already very familiar with.

If there are malfunctions, so what. more practice clearing them.

As far as the sig 522 I personally think that rifle sucks ass

 

[BlackMark]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

I built a complete Spikes rifle and really like the feel of having a gun that weighs the same as my AR-15. It has a Timney single stage trigger in it, and it empties ten round mags really fast. Keep in mind that even a complete upper on your existing lower will likely require a little tuning to get it really running well. I'm lucky that mine has a beer appetite-it function best with American Eagle hollow points,and also shoots them the most accurately. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Spike's, with the only weak spot being the recoil spring guide rod/c-clip setup that came stock on it. A billet replacement is available at their site for about $8,and for the life of me I can't figure out why it didn't come in the upper to start with.

 

[frog5215]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

Mom? how long does it take you to swap an upper?
You can't change long enough to practice and change back after practice?
Pretty flimsy excuse for a new gun, if you ask me.
Not that much excuse is needed, mind you.
I bought a new Cav Arms lower once because it was a new color.

 

[richardj]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

I was looking at the complete Spikes uppers the other day.. how do they function?

Anyone know.

What is "Good" 100yrd accuracy for a .22Lr based AR15 platform like ~3" groups? I'm looking to build a Service Rifle practice platform...


RJ

 

[frog5215]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

Well, my Compass Lake will likely shoot under an inch if there's ever a quiet day when I'm at the range. 3/8-1/2" @50yd.

I suspect with good ammo you can count on an inch and a half or better with an M1S 20" barrel, with no experience with that barrel upon which to base a judgment.

The short answer is that you can expect the same accuracy from an AR as with a like quality barrel on a 10/22. Pretty damned good.

Unless Spike's Tactical is offering a 20" barrel now, you'll want to shop elsewhere, though the bolt runs great, generally.

Spike's refers to Ballistic Advantage for 20". Adam at BA will do retro 20" and Service Rifle, using Spike's bolt. He uses premium air gauged barrels.

M1S uses ER Shaw, my 16 HB CAR shoots around 5/8" @ 50yd.
My Spike's Lothar Walther shoots that well or better- another 16" HB CAR.

Price no object= Compass Lake or Accuracy Speaks @ $1100 for a complete upper, with Douglas or Krieger barrels.

 

[frog5215]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

One of many cool aspects of the CLE SR upper is that the FSB isn't pinned; the pin bores of the FSB are threaded for set screws that ride flats on the barrel. The FSB can be timed for acenter setting of the rear sight.

It uses the M-261 bolt, which can lock open on a USGI mag, allowing single loading with the supplied loading tool or a BobSled.

Frank White is an artist with his lathe. The barrel is magnificent.

Mine isn't a 20SR, it's an 18" SPR, see the recent thread.

 

[samnev]

Re: Which AR15 type .22???

Get the Sig 522. It's a real rifle, accurate reliable and much better price point the the others. I love mine but then I am a Sigaholic.