Which Dog?

#51
Re: Which Dog?

I got a unique dog (rare breed) that I bought for my wife due to my constant deployments. It is a Shiloh Shepherd and you can see it on my picture on the left. Great dog, super smart and very protective of his pack. I have two other dogs and a cat that he also gets along with very well too.

A breeder in California for you to look at if interested:
Shilo California
 
#52
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kthomas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure how good of a hunting dog one would make, but dutch shepherds seem like a great guard dog and companion. Never owned any, but have been doing some reading up on them and they seem like a great dog.

Maybe someone with a dutch shepherd on the board and can pipe in some hands on info on the breed. </div></div>

I don't have one, but I saw a special (Animal Planet or Discovery) - the Dutch Sherpherd is actually very different from the GSD; very interesting in that they innately (without training) have different attack approaches - the Dutch sherpherd not only has broader shoulders and slightly greater jaw stregnth (I think the difference was about 220 lb/in vs. 250 lb/in but also the GSD attack to bite an extremity to bring down opponent, dutch sherpherd use there whole body mass to knock down opponent along with bite.
 
#53
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: varmint6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe its called a cain corso? about 120 lbs of big black attitude.. </div></div>

It's "cane corso," pronounced <span style="text-decoration: underline">kah</span>-nay <span style="text-decoration: underline">kor</span>-so, not "cane" like sugar cane. They're an Italian variety of mastiff, run anywhere from 85 to as much as 150 lbs., depending on gender and bloodline. Ours (Bella) is just 10 months old and is already 100 lbs. if she's an ounce. They grow quickly until they're 12 or 13 months old, and then continue to grow slowly until they're about 2 years.

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They're descended from the dogs that Roman legionnaires took to war with them (cane corso means "dog of the cohort") and are seen a lot in the northern part of the country, where they guard farms and families and at times are used for hunting. They're bright, loving, and protective.
 
#54
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I've got a female blue lacy. She is a great dog, easy to teach, protective of my house, and very smart. I live in the city but take her out to the hunting lease all the time where she constantly patrols the perimeter of our camp. I can tell you one thing, she hates cows and she damn sure hates hogs.

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#56
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It sounds like you are after a performance breed.
I think a couple on your list are just great dogs.
The American Bulldog is awesome. I prefer the standard type.
Black Mouth Curr - Old Yeller. Hard to beat.
The Catahoula Leopard Dog is way more dog than I had imagined before I got to see one. Very substantial dog with a lot of potential for performance.
Dogo Argentino - Bred to perform in situations most dogs would run from.
APBT - lots of baggage thanks to sensationalized media. A good one is high performance for sure.
You better be able to handle these dogs in this list though or you will be doing them a disservice.
I've had an Olde Boston Bulldogge from Rutans' yard that though small at 45 lbs was a dog you never had to wonder about. Standing O performance when any threat was present. Every time. Truly a fearless dog, the only one I've really seen.
There are many others that would make great dogs. A lot of it is up to you.

I guess you can tell I like a more bulldog type of dog. Loyal to the bone, low maint, good muscle, high performance, and just tons of heart.
To each his own.
 
#57
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Having owned a lot of dogs over the years , we finally found the breed that is just about perfect IMO. I highly recommend a Great Pyrenees, wonderful dogs that work well with livestock and a excellent family type dogs. They are a shepherd breed and are very gentle with children.

I love our dog very much and she is well mannered.

The image is not of our dog but this is what they look like.

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#58
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dadzic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion get a Dogo Argentino. Good family pet, very brave hunter (especially if you are into hog hunting) and they are great for home protection. Powerful, loyal and very easy to train K-9.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zHkg5Aakqg</div></div>


Is it just be but that think they look a whole lot like pit bulls?
 
#59
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Good points.
I have a American Bulldog (Johnson type)/APBT mix which pretty much amounts to a bandog of sorts. Johnson type American Bulldogs are pretty good guard dogs. Buck is very laid back and sweet on one hand but can really turn in on when the occasion arises and is a diligent guard.

I will say that these crosses loose the pit fighting ability of the APBT and the size of the American Bulldog.
What they gain though is they are still a game and tough working dog with good guarding ability and they don't take as long to mature as a American Bulldog. The possibility of bad hips is reduced also.

I think petrochempros has a good point that a bandog mix with APBT and a guarding mastiff type dog will likely turn up similar results. Look out for bad hips in really large dogs. I also would say to look for a more athletic dog. Those low fat types just don't have the wind on a long hot hunt.

Below is a pic from about a year ago when Buck was a 6 mo. old pup. He's filled out quite a bit since this pic but is still very athletic looking. To watch this guy move and the power and acceleration he has is pretty amazing. I need to get a more recent pic of my pup!

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#60
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dadzic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion get a Dogo Argentino. Good family pet, very brave hunter (especially if you are into hog hunting) and they are great for home protection. Powerful, loyal and very easy to train K-9.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zHkg5Aakqg</div></div>


Is it just be but that think they look a whole lot like pit bulls? </div></div>

The looks might be similar to the pit bulls, but they are a completely different dogs. The Dogo has a really interesting story. As it's name implies it comes from Argentina. The breed was designed for big game hunting and guard dog duties. They originated from the Fighting Dog of Cordoba (now believed to be extinct). This breed was then crossed with other breeds in order to get a powerful, loyal, hunting and guard dog. Sorry for the long reply but I find the history of the Dogo very intriguing. Seems like all the traits are combined in order to make one perfect dog. One day I plan on getting one.
 
#61
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what kind of hunting are you wanting to do with the dog?

for guarding and bonding with a family, a turkish kangal ftw. weve bred and kept anatolians for years to guard livestock at the ranch. we have kept several as pets and they are great. they dont hunt, but when you hear one bark, you dont enter.

basically kangals are black face with fawn body. akbash are supposed to be pure white. these get together and make babies and you get what most people call anatolians. weve had pups colored both ways plus some with spots. first two pics are off the internet, last 3 are of dogs weve had.

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they also make good lap dogs.
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how can you resist this face?
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haha listen to him bark. you would shit your pants if you broke in and saw/heard that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVA1-ibnKg0&NR=1
 
#62
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If you are looking for a very dedicated and effective hunting dog you might be interested in a Fila Brasilerio. They are good with kids, extremely protective and were bread to hunt jaguars. However, if you do decide to get this breed make sure you do a lot of research and reading before you make your final decision. This is a very shy dog by nature, it's great for the family but the dog is very mistrustful of strangers and extremely protective. This could be a dangerous combination if the dog is not properly socialized and does not have a very assertive owner. It might fit your needs but know that it's not a dog for everybody. From your posts on here it seems that you know your dogs well so it should not be a problem to you. Good luck in your search, I doubt that you can go wrong with any breed of dog. Let us know what your final decision is.
 
#63
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I don't know if it would matter but the Fila is not recognized by the American Kennel Club. If that does not bother you and if this dog's characteristics fit your lifestyle, then you wont go wrong with a Fila. They are powerful, have great stamina, can be very aggressive and fearless when you need them to be,great trackers of big game, and exceptional guard dogs that will never shy away from a fight. This is a dog with a big heart but not for all owners and not for all households.
 
#65
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My vote would be an Akita, I got one dumped at my house, and can't believe what an amazing dog he is. When this one is gone, Aries will be replaced with another Akita.
Also, they don't have the stigma of many of the larger dogs.

links:
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/akita.html
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/akita.htm
http://www.akitaclub.org/info/breedinfo.html http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_breeds/akitas.asp

My dog doesn't need constant attention and is content to just be in the same vicinity as I am, but he'll take all the attention you want to give him. I think I have heard Aries bark once or twice in two years. Doesn't play fetch, I have read these dogs feel it is beneath them, but they can be trained to.

Good luck!
 
#66
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The Dogo is a different breed certainly, but it does have bull terrier in its developmental history as well as a fighting past. Good dogs but really require a strong/dominant owner
 
#67
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I'm partial to Dobies for home protection.

-Fast as a Greyhound
-6ft tall standing on their hind legs
-Naturally territorial/protective with no special training
-Expressionless/evil look...can never tell what they're thinkin
-People are naturally afraid of them
-All the males are strong alphas and they know how to sort the bad guys from the good

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#68
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One issue with Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, Doberman's, and other popular guard dogs is that some insurance companies won't give you coverage if you have them. Just something to consider.
 
#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PBinWA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One issue with Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, Doberman's, and other popular guard dogs is that some insurance companies won't give you coverage if you have them. Just something to consider. </div></div>

One other problem with the Pits. They dont really make good guard dogs. They were bred to LIKE people

Inside a house (their territory) might be a different story, but overall, not great guard dogs, unless youre being burglarized by other dogs...
 
#70
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Teggy1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My vote would be an Akita, I got one dumped at my house, and can't believe what an amazing dog he is. When this one is gone, Aries will be replaced with another Akita.
Also, they don't have the stigma of many of the larger dogs.

links:
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/akita.html
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/akita.htm
http://www.akitaclub.org/info/breedinfo.html http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_breeds/akitas.asp

My dog doesn't need constant attention and is content to just be in the same vicinity as I am, but he'll take all the attention you want to give him. I think I have heard Aries bark once or twice in two years. Doesn't play fetch, I have read these dogs feel it is beneath them, but they can be trained to.

Good luck!
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My vote is for the Akita too. They were used in Japan to hunt bears. Then as fighting dogs until the Tosa Inu and then as baby sitters. My Akita is 137 lbs. and will give his life for any family member. No one can enter the house without him knowing them and we are present. They are great with our kids; 4 and 2 year olds.

They rarely bark. I had two of them before when I lived in an apartment and nobody knew I had dogs because they were so quiet.

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Jamie
 
#71
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Gonna have to throw another vote in there for the Cane Corso. I've been around large powerful breeds all of my life and I am not the least bit intimidated by most of them. However, there is no way I would enter a residence occupied by a Cane Corso if I was not accompanied by the owner. They are a very large, very powerful and very protective breed. I would get a female for family protection if I were you. Most of my dogs are males because I enjoy their playful roughhouse personalities, but, my females are the ones you have to watch out for.
 
#72
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PBinWA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One issue with Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, Doberman's, and other popular guard dogs is that some insurance companies won't give you coverage if you have them. Just something to consider.</div></div>
Or depending where you live, add to your premium, or insist you get an umbrella.
 
#73
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Another point on the Akita, mine is very easy on the food. For a dog his size (105 lbs) he eats very modest amount. I have a feeder where he can eat what he wants, I don't ration, and a 40 lb. Bag lasts about 2-3 weeks depending on the weather.

He also never craps in any part of the yard that is mowed. I have a lot of grass land surrounding my property, that's where he prefers to do his business.
I have read Akita's prefer not to defecate in their home area, and in my experience holds true. Which is more than I can say about my brothers German Shepard! Nice pile for you in the drive way or any where you want to walk.
 
#74
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I've been around Catahoulas for as long as I can remember. They love kids, don't trust strangers and they're scary smart. They're tough as hell, can eat anything and usually have few health issues. I have 2 pits now, they're dumb as dirt and not worth a damn as watchdogs. The male hides in his house when a car pulls up and the female just wants somebody to pet her.
 
#76
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My vote is for a Catahoula. I've had them and raised them for ten years. I can tell you from personal experience that nobody and I mean nobody will come into your house uninvited for any reason with a Catahoula in there! And no strange animals of any size will come into the yard and leave in one piece! As km71107 said above they're very good with kids, smarter than most any other dog alive and are loyal to the bitter end. If you can't have or don't want a Catahoula then the BMC would be a great second choice. Good luck either way.
 
#77
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D_TROS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have owned or lived with someone who owned Labs (not protective enough), o</div></div>


My wife and I have 2 labs, a male and a female. The male would eat you if you walked into that house without me telling him it is ok. I trained him like that for a reason, and after he was stolen from out of his pen, he hates strangers. He WILL show teeth and act very aggressive if someone puts a foot in our yard, or another animal. Once I give him the command to stand down, he is the biggest baby. He is better with kids than the female is, and he is extremely protective of my wife.
 
#78
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My short list (in order): Boxer, Dogo Argentino or an American Bulldog.

Boxers because they are great family dogs who are very protective, fun and have great hearing. Dogos because when I lived in BsAs, I realized the things were like owning a trained attack bear - I might put them first, but I haven't had the opportunity to own one yet. ABulldogs are great too -mine was like a more mellow, gym rat version of my boxer. My only issue with him is that he ate my Barbecue because he wanted to play with the propane tank.
 
#81
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My vote goes to the English Bulldog.......very laid back, good with kids too. By far my favorite dog breed. Mine goes everywhere I go........literally! She lays right beside me on the ground while I'm hunting and never makes a sound. Definitely easier to take her places over my 5 year old daughter!
 
#82
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I second the English Mastiff. They are the best home protection you can get. I know of no intruder that will stick around after being met at the door by a 200 lbs dog. This the great part about them, they don't have to be agressive. Just their presence is enough to rid homes of intruders. They are also wonderful family dogs/lap warmers.
 
#83
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A lot of great choices, but you have to ask yourself, do you want a 150lb Mastiff in your house? Big dog, very intimidating but DROOOOOOOOOOOOLS by the gallons. As any BIG DOG does. So what doesn't get torn up gets SOAKED. A Doberman, Lab, German Shepard and Weimaraner are all nice size dogs, very loyal and protective. But why not go with a small security system, a 1911, a tactical shotgun, and buy the dog that you like the best?
 
#84
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Saber...says...GO AIREDALE!!!
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Can hunt, protect, search, destroy....take your pick..standard size is about 65lbs but if you get the "large" farm type they can go around 100lbs. Awesome dogs! Four legged clowns with incredible personality but will take care of business when needed.
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#85
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I think all dogs are cool...except those damn dobermans.

The boy has the coolest Pit I've ever known...loyal, and he would fall over dead if he even THOUGHT we didn't like him. His name fits...Buddy.

That said, I'm riding out tomorrow evening to pick up the other part of my Christmas present...a 7 month old boxer female. I've been wanting a Pit/Lab cross for a long time because I love the one that my Daughter up north has, but after seeing this little boxer, she's the one for me.

Can't wait......
 
#86
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+1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would recommend a dog NOT recognized by the AKC as the starting point for a true working dog.
The AKC has been the death of working dogs for decades.</div></div>
 
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