Like it says above, my wife said I could actually get something for once so I am trying to figure out which way would be money well/better spent: the FAT wrench or the Borka kit and why you came to that conclusion. Thanks for the answers gents.
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Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have the fat wrench. The borka looks like a finger buster to me.
I have the fat wrench. The borka looks like a finger buster to me.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
+1 For the FAT wrench.
Although I haven't used the Borka, I can say that my FAT wrench is easy to use, easy to adjust, has more torque setting than the Borka, and from what I've seen around the net has a lower price tag.
+1 For the FAT wrench.
Although I haven't used the Borka, I can say that my FAT wrench is easy to use, easy to adjust, has more torque setting than the Borka, and from what I've seen around the net has a lower price tag.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I own a Borka its compact, versatile and the idea behind it, if used correctly means good readings. Downside its not the easiest tool in the world to use if trying to hit the high end scale readings - action screws on a 1903. Easy to use in the 20-30 inch pound range.
I dont own a Wheeler so I should stop now but like a moth that cant avoid the fire I must continue. I looked at it, considered it but it comes from a line of products that strikes me as Chicom crap.
I think I would consider Seekonk again. I'm am interested in a wratchet type wrench I saw at REI for working on bicycles made by Pedros. I think the Pedros ran a 5-75 in lb range.
I own a Borka its compact, versatile and the idea behind it, if used correctly means good readings. Downside its not the easiest tool in the world to use if trying to hit the high end scale readings - action screws on a 1903. Easy to use in the 20-30 inch pound range.
I dont own a Wheeler so I should stop now but like a moth that cant avoid the fire I must continue. I looked at it, considered it but it comes from a line of products that strikes me as Chicom crap.
I think I would consider Seekonk again. I'm am interested in a wratchet type wrench I saw at REI for working on bicycles made by Pedros. I think the Pedros ran a 5-75 in lb range.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have both. The FAT wrench will work but I haven't used it since I got the borka.
1. Fat wrench bits can and do fall off of the attachment (maybe they fixed this by now)
2. I don't trust it to be as accurate as the Borka nor as consistent. (Might be consistent enough)
3. FAT is more weight and bulk to pack in a bag.
4. A bit more of a PITA to set adjustments (Slower).
Just my thoughts.
I don't recall the price of the FAT vs. the Borka. I can't imagine the Borka being that much more expensive, but if the FAT's price works better within your budget roll with it.
I have both. The FAT wrench will work but I haven't used it since I got the borka.
1. Fat wrench bits can and do fall off of the attachment (maybe they fixed this by now)
2. I don't trust it to be as accurate as the Borka nor as consistent. (Might be consistent enough)
3. FAT is more weight and bulk to pack in a bag.
4. A bit more of a PITA to set adjustments (Slower).
Just my thoughts.
I don't recall the price of the FAT vs. the Borka. I can't imagine the Borka being that much more expensive, but if the FAT's price works better within your budget roll with it.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Played with the Wheeler, I have another inch pound torque also and got a SeeKonk with my DTA and ended up doing a Borka as a "test" It's by far my favorite setup It stays in my DTA case and wouldn't trade it for anything. One BIG reason I like the Borka set best is I've always been told not to use a Torque wrench to loosen as it can damage the internals and cause the readings to be off, with the Borka I can use it a a T handle to loosen and then as a Torque to tighten, Just my .02 YMMV
Played with the Wheeler, I have another inch pound torque also and got a SeeKonk with my DTA and ended up doing a Borka as a "test" It's by far my favorite setup It stays in my DTA case and wouldn't trade it for anything. One BIG reason I like the Borka set best is I've always been told not to use a Torque wrench to loosen as it can damage the internals and cause the readings to be off, with the Borka I can use it a a T handle to loosen and then as a Torque to tighten, Just my .02 YMMV
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Only my opinion here, and hopefully Boris from Borka will chime in too.
If you want the better of the two, go with the Borka. It works on a simple lever principal which Boris has prefected (or damn close to it).
If you want cheaper, go with the Wheeler FAT wrench which uses a compressed spring to get you close to the setting you desire.
I confess that I have both, along with 3 Snap-On torque wrenches..... and when it comes to working with anything relating to my firearms, the Borka is the only tool I reach for.
I've used the Wheeler in the past, but after use and alot of research/reading, I lost confidence in it's accuracy. It's a rather cheap tool by comparison, and I'm just not 100% sold on trusting my expensive gear to a compression spring.
The Borka on the other hand is based on sound geometry by folks a hell of alot smarter than I am. It's simple, it works, it's backed up by a site sponser, and I'd say to nearly a man, everyone on the hide who has bought one likes it a lot.
If you really want to know, you'll contact Boris @ Borka tools, or some of the other Hide Vendors and talk to them and get the honest scoop on the virtures of each.
Both may do the job, one will give you more peace of mind and most likely more long term accuracy. It's your money and your gear. The choice is yours.
Only my opinion here, and hopefully Boris from Borka will chime in too.
If you want the better of the two, go with the Borka. It works on a simple lever principal which Boris has prefected (or damn close to it).
If you want cheaper, go with the Wheeler FAT wrench which uses a compressed spring to get you close to the setting you desire.
I confess that I have both, along with 3 Snap-On torque wrenches..... and when it comes to working with anything relating to my firearms, the Borka is the only tool I reach for.
I've used the Wheeler in the past, but after use and alot of research/reading, I lost confidence in it's accuracy. It's a rather cheap tool by comparison, and I'm just not 100% sold on trusting my expensive gear to a compression spring.
The Borka on the other hand is based on sound geometry by folks a hell of alot smarter than I am. It's simple, it works, it's backed up by a site sponser, and I'd say to nearly a man, everyone on the hide who has bought one likes it a lot.
If you really want to know, you'll contact Boris @ Borka tools, or some of the other Hide Vendors and talk to them and get the honest scoop on the virtures of each.
Both may do the job, one will give you more peace of mind and most likely more long term accuracy. It's your money and your gear. The choice is yours.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have both, I keep the FAT wrench at the house and the Borka in the range bag. The Borka is smaller, weighs less and you don't have to remember to take the tension off the spring after use. If you are gonna keep it with you I would go with the Borka. If its something you will use once in a while the FAT wrench will do the job.
I have both, I keep the FAT wrench at the house and the Borka in the range bag. The Borka is smaller, weighs less and you don't have to remember to take the tension off the spring after use. If you are gonna keep it with you I would go with the Borka. If its something you will use once in a while the FAT wrench will do the job.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have both, the FAT wrench is diffiuclt at times to adjust, its heavy, bulky, and i am just so so on it...I don't know that it is all that accurate anyway. the borka is hands down better. its smaller lighter, and easy to work with. the entire tool kit for the borka fits into the same space as the FAT does, but with 25 times the tools
I have both, the FAT wrench is diffiuclt at times to adjust, its heavy, bulky, and i am just so so on it...I don't know that it is all that accurate anyway. the borka is hands down better. its smaller lighter, and easy to work with. the entire tool kit for the borka fits into the same space as the FAT does, but with 25 times the tools
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have two Borka's one in the metal case that stays at home and one in the Tab bag which is always in my range bag.
The Borka is easy to use, light and has everything I need to use all in one kit.
The chances of you ever wearing one out are about zero and if you ever have an issue or a question with it Boris is right here on this forum to help give support. Can you say that about anybody from Wheeler ?
Borka all the way !
I have two Borka's one in the metal case that stays at home and one in the Tab bag which is always in my range bag.
The Borka is easy to use, light and has everything I need to use all in one kit.
The chances of you ever wearing one out are about zero and if you ever have an issue or a question with it Boris is right here on this forum to help give support. Can you say that about anybody from Wheeler ?
Borka all the way !
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AtOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have two Borka's one in the metal case that stays at home and one in the Tab bag which is always in my range bag.
The Borka is easy to use, light and has everything I need to use all in one kit.
The chances of you ever wearing one out are about zero and if you ever have an issue or a question with it Boris is right here on this forum to help give support. Can you say that about anybody from Wheeler ?
Borka all the way ! </div></div>
+1
I've only ever had the Borka, so I can't comment as to the quality or benefits of the other, but my Borka is awesome. It's compact enough I can carry it in my match or range bag and although I don't always need every attachment it's nice to have around in case some else needs it. I've used the 65lb side on my base and it's not as hard on the fingers as you would think given one uses it properly. If you find it hard to use then you might consider hitting the gym once a year
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AtOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have two Borka's one in the metal case that stays at home and one in the Tab bag which is always in my range bag.
The Borka is easy to use, light and has everything I need to use all in one kit.
The chances of you ever wearing one out are about zero and if you ever have an issue or a question with it Boris is right here on this forum to help give support. Can you say that about anybody from Wheeler ?
Borka all the way ! </div></div>
+1
I've only ever had the Borka, so I can't comment as to the quality or benefits of the other, but my Borka is awesome. It's compact enough I can carry it in my match or range bag and although I don't always need every attachment it's nice to have around in case some else needs it. I've used the 65lb side on my base and it's not as hard on the fingers as you would think given one uses it properly. If you find it hard to use then you might consider hitting the gym once a year
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
+1k on the Borka and the prior comments above singing its praises!
They are first rate tools all the way and Boris is here if you have any questions, need service or experience (albeit unlikely) any problems with the Borka units.
Also, from my experiences with the FAT Wrench and helping others who own/tried to use them in comparison with my own Seekonk and Borka units, the Midway/Battenfeld units are poorly built and suffer from both accuracy and reliability problems. A guy I know used a torque calibration unit on the FAT and reported as much as a +/-10% variation from the torque setting to the actual torque applied. That is far from what I'd call "accurate" and more than double the +/-4% accuracy of the Borka unit. Finally, the bits included with FAT Wrench are some variation of cheap, Chinese, non-hardened pot metal as I have personally witnessed them deform significantly with as little as 20in/lbs of torque (or at least that's that the FAT wrench was set at...no damage was caused to the screw the bit was being used on at the time).
+1k on the Borka and the prior comments above singing its praises!
They are first rate tools all the way and Boris is here if you have any questions, need service or experience (albeit unlikely) any problems with the Borka units.
Also, from my experiences with the FAT Wrench and helping others who own/tried to use them in comparison with my own Seekonk and Borka units, the Midway/Battenfeld units are poorly built and suffer from both accuracy and reliability problems. A guy I know used a torque calibration unit on the FAT and reported as much as a +/-10% variation from the torque setting to the actual torque applied. That is far from what I'd call "accurate" and more than double the +/-4% accuracy of the Borka unit. Finally, the bits included with FAT Wrench are some variation of cheap, Chinese, non-hardened pot metal as I have personally witnessed them deform significantly with as little as 20in/lbs of torque (or at least that's that the FAT wrench was set at...no damage was caused to the screw the bit was being used on at the time).
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-129</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the best place to get one? </div></div>
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3485135#Post3485135
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-129</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the best place to get one? </div></div>
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3485135#Post3485135
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've used the 65lb side on my base and it's not as hard on the fingers as you would think given one uses it properly. If you find it hard to use then you might consider hitting the gym once a year
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At the high settings using a Torx or Allen drivers it would be easy because you get great purchase.
The action screws on a 1903 are 1940's technology standard slotted screws with very little meat to bite the screwdriver blade in. The one handed, palm down, thumb pressure technique almost ensures a Borka flying across the bench and a nice scratch in antique walnut when trying to hit 60 inch pounds. Doesnt matter how strong you are. Same thing happens when trying to use a Snap-On wratchet click type driver. For something like my purposes the preset Seekonk, allowing straight down pressure, would be ideal.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've used the 65lb side on my base and it's not as hard on the fingers as you would think given one uses it properly. If you find it hard to use then you might consider hitting the gym once a year
At the high settings using a Torx or Allen drivers it would be easy because you get great purchase.
The action screws on a 1903 are 1940's technology standard slotted screws with very little meat to bite the screwdriver blade in. The one handed, palm down, thumb pressure technique almost ensures a Borka flying across the bench and a nice scratch in antique walnut when trying to hit 60 inch pounds. Doesnt matter how strong you are. Same thing happens when trying to use a Snap-On wratchet click type driver. For something like my purposes the preset Seekonk, allowing straight down pressure, would be ideal.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I had (threw away) a FAT, and now own a Borka. I like the Borka for a field tool, but I sometimes have a little more difficulty keeping the bits seated in the screw at higher settings. Another tool I own and like are the Wiha variable torque drivers. They are shaped like screwdrivers and are very easy to adjust and use.
I had (threw away) a FAT, and now own a Borka. I like the Borka for a field tool, but I sometimes have a little more difficulty keeping the bits seated in the screw at higher settings. Another tool I own and like are the Wiha variable torque drivers. They are shaped like screwdrivers and are very easy to adjust and use.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Between the two I would go with Borka. I wouldn't even consider the Chinese FAT junk.
I think you would be better off with a Utica off of ebay. Utica is a industrial quality product that can be re calibrated if needed. The Borka is nice, but I view it more as a field tool than a bench tool, which is where I do 99% of my work. Keep a allen key in your field pack for if you have issues, but by doing things right from the get go you will reduce those issues significantly.
Between the two I would go with Borka. I wouldn't even consider the Chinese FAT junk.
I think you would be better off with a Utica off of ebay. Utica is a industrial quality product that can be re calibrated if needed. The Borka is nice, but I view it more as a field tool than a bench tool, which is where I do 99% of my work. Keep a allen key in your field pack for if you have issues, but by doing things right from the get go you will reduce those issues significantly.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Had a BORKA, gave it to a fellow shooter who trained & taught more shooters than I ever will !!! HardRock range gets lots of shooters that are never mentioned ... +1 for a BORKA !!!
Had a BORKA, gave it to a fellow shooter who trained & taught more shooters than I ever will !!! HardRock range gets lots of shooters that are never mentioned ... +1 for a BORKA !!!
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have the Fat wrench and it works fine for mounting scope and on action screws. I find it very easy to use and is no problem fitting in my range bag. Is it the best out there? Probably not but should serve most shooters well. The Borka and Seekonk look well made but cost more. I will probably pick one up someday but for now the Wheeler works just fine. It isn't something I. Use everyday.
I have the Fat wrench and it works fine for mounting scope and on action screws. I find it very easy to use and is no problem fitting in my range bag. Is it the best out there? Probably not but should serve most shooters well. The Borka and Seekonk look well made but cost more. I will probably pick one up someday but for now the Wheeler works just fine. It isn't something I. Use everyday.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
+2 on Fat wrench, quality, ease of use, price and it fits into range bag.
+2 on Fat wrench, quality, ease of use, price and it fits into range bag.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've used the 65lb side on my base and it's not as hard on the fingers as you would think given one uses it properly. If you find it hard to use then you might consider hitting the gym once a year
</div></div>
At the high settings using a Torx or Allen drivers it would be easy because you get great purchase.
The action screws on a 1903 are 1940's technology standard slotted screws with very little meat to bite the screwdriver blade in. The one handed, palm down, thumb pressure technique almost ensures a Borka flying across the bench and a nice scratch in antique walnut when trying to hit 60 inch pounds. Doesnt matter how strong you are. Same thing happens when trying to use a Snap-On wratchet click type driver. For something like my purposes the preset Seekonk, allowing straight down pressure, would be ideal. </div></div>
I agree that using my torque driver with <span style="text-decoration: underline">slotted bit </span>at ranges above 50-55 inch-lbs. is not easy, due to "asymmetrical" tool ergonomics. Hex or torx sockets in head screws do keep torque driver in place allright, but relatively wide and shallow slot in old style screw heads is a challenge. Seekonk T-handle is certainly more comfortable to use in such situations, including application of torque close to 65 inch-lbs. But Seekonk is relatively expensive and requires (or at least, advises) calibration after 5,000 cycles. On the opposite side, much cheaper alternatives to Seekonk T-handle, which can be bought for $20-25 from various places, but all made at the same factory in China and branded by California Torque Products to everybody interested, are nowhere as good in comparison with Seekonk.
Anyway, after checking around and giving some deep thought to this situation, I've found a real high quality, industrial grade design of the torque "limiter", compact and light weight, and, which is very important, exceptionally accurate (+/- 2% or better) and also, highly durable, up to 30,000 cycles before calibration may be considered. This device was tested by Mountz, Inc, one of the leading torque tools makers in the U.S.A., and received very positive evaluation.
So, I've had a certain quantity of 65 inch-lbs. torque limiters made for firearms applications. Every torque limiter has stamped serial number and individual certificate of calibration matching this serial number, confirming that calibration was done according to the industry procedures and standards.
I believe this torque limiter will be a useful addition to Borka Tools product line and is intended for precision shooters and gunsmiths who prefer Seekonk T-handle style tools or already have something like FAT, but need to reliably do 65 inch-lbs. w/o guessing...
I plan to offer GB arrangement for SH members, to introduce this torque limiter, model # PTL-065-IP, (<span style="font-weight: bold">P</span>recision <span style="font-weight: bold">T</span>orque <span style="font-weight: bold">L</span>imiter, 65 inch-lbs.) to the market. It will come as a small complete kit, with the ratchet driver and three bits: 3/16", 5/32" and T-30, typically needed for action screws, and 1/2" hex socket. It was proven, by extensive testing, to be very comfortable to use and due to its very high accuracy/repeatability, can be even used as a reference for checking out 65 inch-lbs. torque settings of other torque tools, although it is not techically a torque measuring device. PTL-065-IP will be priced competatively and will carry 5 year warranty. GB will likely be initiated in October.
Sorry for slightly deviating from the subject of this thread, but I do agree with observations made by Pmclaine in regard to slotted action screws at high torque settings and wanted to inform about new development from Borka Tools, which should make it much easier to apply higher torque values in some special situations, including use of slotted bits.
Boris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've used the 65lb side on my base and it's not as hard on the fingers as you would think given one uses it properly. If you find it hard to use then you might consider hitting the gym once a year
At the high settings using a Torx or Allen drivers it would be easy because you get great purchase.
The action screws on a 1903 are 1940's technology standard slotted screws with very little meat to bite the screwdriver blade in. The one handed, palm down, thumb pressure technique almost ensures a Borka flying across the bench and a nice scratch in antique walnut when trying to hit 60 inch pounds. Doesnt matter how strong you are. Same thing happens when trying to use a Snap-On wratchet click type driver. For something like my purposes the preset Seekonk, allowing straight down pressure, would be ideal. </div></div>
I agree that using my torque driver with <span style="text-decoration: underline">slotted bit </span>at ranges above 50-55 inch-lbs. is not easy, due to "asymmetrical" tool ergonomics. Hex or torx sockets in head screws do keep torque driver in place allright, but relatively wide and shallow slot in old style screw heads is a challenge. Seekonk T-handle is certainly more comfortable to use in such situations, including application of torque close to 65 inch-lbs. But Seekonk is relatively expensive and requires (or at least, advises) calibration after 5,000 cycles. On the opposite side, much cheaper alternatives to Seekonk T-handle, which can be bought for $20-25 from various places, but all made at the same factory in China and branded by California Torque Products to everybody interested, are nowhere as good in comparison with Seekonk.
Anyway, after checking around and giving some deep thought to this situation, I've found a real high quality, industrial grade design of the torque "limiter", compact and light weight, and, which is very important, exceptionally accurate (+/- 2% or better) and also, highly durable, up to 30,000 cycles before calibration may be considered. This device was tested by Mountz, Inc, one of the leading torque tools makers in the U.S.A., and received very positive evaluation.
So, I've had a certain quantity of 65 inch-lbs. torque limiters made for firearms applications. Every torque limiter has stamped serial number and individual certificate of calibration matching this serial number, confirming that calibration was done according to the industry procedures and standards.
I believe this torque limiter will be a useful addition to Borka Tools product line and is intended for precision shooters and gunsmiths who prefer Seekonk T-handle style tools or already have something like FAT, but need to reliably do 65 inch-lbs. w/o guessing...
I plan to offer GB arrangement for SH members, to introduce this torque limiter, model # PTL-065-IP, (<span style="font-weight: bold">P</span>recision <span style="font-weight: bold">T</span>orque <span style="font-weight: bold">L</span>imiter, 65 inch-lbs.) to the market. It will come as a small complete kit, with the ratchet driver and three bits: 3/16", 5/32" and T-30, typically needed for action screws, and 1/2" hex socket. It was proven, by extensive testing, to be very comfortable to use and due to its very high accuracy/repeatability, can be even used as a reference for checking out 65 inch-lbs. torque settings of other torque tools, although it is not techically a torque measuring device. PTL-065-IP will be priced competatively and will carry 5 year warranty. GB will likely be initiated in October.
Sorry for slightly deviating from the subject of this thread, but I do agree with observations made by Pmclaine in regard to slotted action screws at high torque settings and wanted to inform about new development from Borka Tools, which should make it much easier to apply higher torque values in some special situations, including use of slotted bits.
Boris
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Boris,
Thank you very much for going out and doing all that work to find a solution to my two problems
1. Inability to adequately use the Borka to tighten my antique action screws.
2. Being too cheap to buy a Seekonk
Nice that you are taking care of us on an individual basis now. What great service! I'll be looking forward to the GB.
Boris,
Thank you very much for going out and doing all that work to find a solution to my two problems
1. Inability to adequately use the Borka to tighten my antique action screws.
2. Being too cheap to buy a Seekonk
Nice that you are taking care of us on an individual basis now. What great service! I'll be looking forward to the GB.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I purchased a Borka from Boris through the 'hide and I've been extremely happy with it. Also, as you've seen from his post above, he's very helpful and willing to share his knowledge and expertise to help you with a project.
He took a great deal of time corresponding with me me back when I was considering the purchase. I ended up with both the Multi-Torque Driver and, a couple weeks later, the Adjustable Torque Screwdriver (no longer available). Both are excellent. Boris even included a calibration sheet with the Adjustable Torque Screwdriver. Just my opinion, but I can highly recommend Boris' tools! (Also, Dave Manson of Manson Reamers thinks highly of the Borka....for me, that's quite an endorsement!)
Warmest regards,
Rob
I purchased a Borka from Boris through the 'hide and I've been extremely happy with it. Also, as you've seen from his post above, he's very helpful and willing to share his knowledge and expertise to help you with a project.
He took a great deal of time corresponding with me me back when I was considering the purchase. I ended up with both the Multi-Torque Driver and, a couple weeks later, the Adjustable Torque Screwdriver (no longer available). Both are excellent. Boris even included a calibration sheet with the Adjustable Torque Screwdriver. Just my opinion, but I can highly recommend Boris' tools! (Also, Dave Manson of Manson Reamers thinks highly of the Borka....for me, that's quite an endorsement!)
Warmest regards,
Rob
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have both the Borka and the Wheeler, as well as a couple Seekonk T-handle wrenches and a drawer full of larger Snap-On wrenches. Horses for courses!
The Wheeler works well as a "torque limiter". Things like ring caps aren't very sensitive to torque; what I'm really looking for is a way to prevent hamfists from breaking stuff. I don't put much faith in its accuracy or precision, but it's not needed for this task. It's also too bulky and too heavy for a range bag, IMO, so that limits it to bench duty.
The Borka is a remarkable combination of simplicity and packaging elegance, and its form factor means that it's a perfect tool for my range bag.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MP15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used the Wheeler in the past, but after use and alot of research/reading, I lost confidence in it's accuracy. It's a rather cheap tool by comparison, and I'm just not 100% sold on trusting my expensive gear to a compression spring.</div></div>
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but both the Wheeler and the Borka (as well as most other "clicker" or "break-over" wrenches) rely on a compression spring of some type.
I have both the Borka and the Wheeler, as well as a couple Seekonk T-handle wrenches and a drawer full of larger Snap-On wrenches. Horses for courses!
The Wheeler works well as a "torque limiter". Things like ring caps aren't very sensitive to torque; what I'm really looking for is a way to prevent hamfists from breaking stuff. I don't put much faith in its accuracy or precision, but it's not needed for this task. It's also too bulky and too heavy for a range bag, IMO, so that limits it to bench duty.
The Borka is a remarkable combination of simplicity and packaging elegance, and its form factor means that it's a perfect tool for my range bag.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MP15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used the Wheeler in the past, but after use and alot of research/reading, I lost confidence in it's accuracy. It's a rather cheap tool by comparison, and I'm just not 100% sold on trusting my expensive gear to a compression spring.</div></div>
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but both the Wheeler and the Borka (as well as most other "clicker" or "break-over" wrenches) rely on a compression spring of some type.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I love my Borka. Its accurate, easy to use, and very compact.
I love my Borka. Its accurate, easy to use, and very compact.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Having used both, I'd have to say the FAT wrench is probably the faster of the two, o quess???
I borrowed the FAT wrench, and now own the Borka.
My brother is an engineer (a real one, not the sanitation version). He says that the Borkas design is so simple and accurate that he's pissed he didn't market it first. I don't know the specifics (because he hogged all the smart genes), but apparently the Borka is an ingenious design based on simple physics. It flat out has to be accurate by design.
I'm more interested in accurate than fast and convienent, not that the Borka is horrbile to use, just perhaps a tad slower than a FAT wrench. But afterall, gunsmithing is not a NASCAR pit stop, so whatsthe hurry?
Plus you can fit an entire kit in the same space a just the FAT wrench alone.
My vote goes to the Borka.
Having used both, I'd have to say the FAT wrench is probably the faster of the two, o quess???
I borrowed the FAT wrench, and now own the Borka.
My brother is an engineer (a real one, not the sanitation version). He says that the Borkas design is so simple and accurate that he's pissed he didn't market it first. I don't know the specifics (because he hogged all the smart genes), but apparently the Borka is an ingenious design based on simple physics. It flat out has to be accurate by design.
I'm more interested in accurate than fast and convienent, not that the Borka is horrbile to use, just perhaps a tad slower than a FAT wrench. But afterall, gunsmithing is not a NASCAR pit stop, so whatsthe hurry?
Plus you can fit an entire kit in the same space a just the FAT wrench alone.
My vote goes to the Borka.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I have both and love the Borka hands down, it stays in my pack so I will always have it if needed. Kinda like the Harris/Atlas debate IMO, you either haven't tried one, own one, or want one.
I have both and love the Borka hands down, it stays in my pack so I will always have it if needed. Kinda like the Harris/Atlas debate IMO, you either haven't tried one, own one, or want one.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I bought a FAT when it was on sale. Additionally, I bought a $5 bit set out of the bargain bin at a hardware store. It doesn't store as neatly as a BORKA, but it works just fine for my purpose. For the price, I can't imagine buying the BORKA at this time. Perhaps if I needed one for the field...and I had met many other needs first, then I'd look at the BORKA.
I bought a FAT when it was on sale. Additionally, I bought a $5 bit set out of the bargain bin at a hardware store. It doesn't store as neatly as a BORKA, but it works just fine for my purpose. For the price, I can't imagine buying the BORKA at this time. Perhaps if I needed one for the field...and I had met many other needs first, then I'd look at the BORKA.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
Had the fat and sold it. Borka is my choice for its simplicity and compactness ( with the tab pouch)
Had the fat and sold it. Borka is my choice for its simplicity and compactness ( with the tab pouch)
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I bought a Borka for field use and after a week I purchased another Borka to keep at the house. Great product!
I bought a Borka for field use and after a week I purchased another Borka to keep at the house. Great product!
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
In the grand scheme of things...what you will spend on rifle stuff in your lifetime, the Borka is a bargain.
I have owned both, get a Borka. It will be with you forever and it works.
When you get to a point that you need to be 100% confident in the durability and accuracy of your equipment, a Borka is the way to go, might as well get it over with.
Are you really going to worry about 30 or 40 bucks when you torque a $400 mount onto your $3000 scope?
In the grand scheme of things...what you will spend on rifle stuff in your lifetime, the Borka is a bargain.
I have owned both, get a Borka. It will be with you forever and it works.
When you get to a point that you need to be 100% confident in the durability and accuracy of your equipment, a Borka is the way to go, might as well get it over with.
Are you really going to worry about 30 or 40 bucks when you torque a $400 mount onto your $3000 scope?
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
hell no idea. I got a seekonk. See no reason to try something else.
hell no idea. I got a seekonk. See no reason to try something else.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
I went with the borka never looked back. I could not be happier.
I went with the borka never looked back. I could not be happier.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MP15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you want cheaper, go with the Wheeler FAT wrench which uses a compressed spring to get you close to the setting you desire.
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and I'm just not 100% sold on trusting my expensive gear to a compression spring.
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And just what do you think the Borka does to get the handle to "release" at a preset amount of pressure?????
Unless the Torque wrench is a Dial type of "Split Beam", they ALL use compression springs.
BTW, I sold torque wrenches by the pallet load for many years.
Granted the Borka is smaller and quicker to set. That said, you probably get more variation in torque values due to the amount of lube or loctite on the threads.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MP15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you want cheaper, go with the Wheeler FAT wrench which uses a compressed spring to get you close to the setting you desire.
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and I'm just not 100% sold on trusting my expensive gear to a compression spring.
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And just what do you think the Borka does to get the handle to "release" at a preset amount of pressure?????
Unless the Torque wrench is a Dial type of "Split Beam", they ALL use compression springs.
BTW, I sold torque wrenches by the pallet load for many years.
Granted the Borka is smaller and quicker to set. That said, you probably get more variation in torque values due to the amount of lube or loctite on the threads.
Re: Which torque wrench is better? Borka or FAT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boris,
Thank you very much for going out and doing all that work to find a solution to my two problems
1. Inability to adequately use the Borka to tighten my antique action screws.
2. Being too cheap to buy a Seekonk
Nice that you are taking care of us on an individual basis now. What great service! I'll be looking forward to the GB. </div></div>
That's the one I was talking about:
New! Borka Tools 65 inch-lbs. Torque Tool
Very comfortable for application of 65 inch-lbs., and made to last and retain accuracy and consistency for a very long time.
When I've showed it first time at 2012 Shot Show, everybody commented on how nice it felt in action, which made my mind to add some quantity of customized 65 inch-lbs. units to my product line.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boris,
Thank you very much for going out and doing all that work to find a solution to my two problems
1. Inability to adequately use the Borka to tighten my antique action screws.
2. Being too cheap to buy a Seekonk
Nice that you are taking care of us on an individual basis now. What great service! I'll be looking forward to the GB. </div></div>
That's the one I was talking about:
New! Borka Tools 65 inch-lbs. Torque Tool
Very comfortable for application of 65 inch-lbs., and made to last and retain accuracy and consistency for a very long time.
When I've showed it first time at 2012 Shot Show, everybody commented on how nice it felt in action, which made my mind to add some quantity of customized 65 inch-lbs. units to my product line.
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