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Sidearms & Scatterguns Which Trijicon RMR for Glock 19?
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RM 02--non-adjustable brightness 6.5 MOA LED. At pistol distance, you are better with a large dot. Non-adjustable brightness means less to go wrong. Contact Mark Housel at landmprecisiongunworks.com and consider ATOM system (you get a plate to replace the RMR if you remove it) or Gabe Suarez TS Tactical at http://www.onesourcetactical.com/tsdpistolslides.aspx for a milled slide or slide with RMR. You didn't ask, but you'll need a holster--http://www.dalefrickeholsters.com/.
RM02. 8 moa non adjustable. If you can hold better groups than 8" at 100 yards with a pistol, you may need a smaller dot.
The adjustable RMR sucks in my opinion. A button always gets pressed in/by the holster, and the brightness is never right. The auto adjustable WORKS.
My experiences with both on a TSD Glock 17. I started with an RM07 and moved to an RM02.
As a side note, RMR's are a shit product based on my sample size of 2. Both had to be sent into Trijicon after experiencing tracking issues.
The adjustable RMR sucks in my opinion. A button always gets pressed in/by the holster, and the brightness is never right. The auto adjustable WORKS.
My experiences with both on a TSD Glock 17. I started with an RM07 and moved to an RM02.
As a side note, RMR's are a shit product based on my sample size of 2. Both had to be sent into Trijicon after experiencing tracking issues.
I just sent my RMR back to get checked over as well. I had AETI mount it directly to my M&P9 slide. If they can get it to stop drifting right under recoil, I will be crazy happy. Once I get the sight sorted, I will love this setup. Its been fast and accurate for me - except the drifting off to the right every couple of mags 
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I'm very interested in this as well. I'm on the waiting list with ATOM for a slide for my G17....and was just about to purchase an RMR....bummed to hear that it is having wandering dot problems. Anyone out there have experience with some of the others? I've had no problems with the Doctor I have on my ACOG...but, it's also not taking the recoil of a slide mounted handgun, so it's not a fair comparison.
I have had no problems with my Doc, but it's on a .22.
I know Docters have been mounted on FNP 45 Tacticals and have not run into a thread detailing the failures, so perhals they are the answer. I know my Docter has better glass and a crisper dot than the RMR's I had.
I know Docters have been mounted on FNP 45 Tacticals and have not run into a thread detailing the failures, so perhals they are the answer. I know my Docter has better glass and a crisper dot than the RMR's I had.
Every red dot has issues, but trijicon seems to have the least amount of dissatisfied users.
Also, their warranty seems pretty good, though I haven't had to use it yet.
I did have an issue with the dot size on my RMR, and thought it was defective. I have the 6.5 moa model, and it appeared at least twice that.
After having some other people look through it, I determined it was my eyes. Had my eyes checked, and I needed glasses. The problem with the dot size went away.
I can confirm the glass on a doctor is clearer though, but the warranty is worse, and I've heard about more failures with it than with the RMR.
Also, their warranty seems pretty good, though I haven't had to use it yet.
I did have an issue with the dot size on my RMR, and thought it was defective. I have the 6.5 moa model, and it appeared at least twice that.
After having some other people look through it, I determined it was my eyes. Had my eyes checked, and I needed glasses. The problem with the dot size went away.
I can confirm the glass on a doctor is clearer though, but the warranty is worse, and I've heard about more failures with it than with the RMR.
I'll let y'all know how Trijicon handles my issue. The windage screw literally rotates, sending the dot right over time. Given their reputation, I expect them to take care of the problem.
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I had an rm07 on my 19. Tracked fine but the dot cut out twice. Trijicon was great about fixing it but I didn't want something I had to keep fixing. Sold the whole setup. Back to irons. I really liked it. I know of two other people personally who had the same issue. The rm09 may be the best suited for this application. No electronics. I would buy another rmr cut slide and sight if somebody would make a sight that would hold up.
I used a dual illumnated rmr on my glock 34 and it worked perfectly fine, others say the adjustable works better, it's all personal preference really.
This seems subjective and hard to quantify. The majority of the posts I read on the internet go something along the lines of "go with the RMR, its more rugged than a Docter," and these posts are made by those who have no experience with either, and are repeating a post that someone else made.
My sample size is 2 and both of mine failed. Look through this thread and see from actual users how many RMR's failed vs ones that haven't failed yet.
My point is simply to make that the track record I have seen suggests that it is not a product suitable to combat.
An Aimpoint, they are not.
It is indeed hard to quantify. Main reason to go with the RMR for me was the better/longer warranty, meaning trijicon trust they did a good job.
If I would need it for combat, I'd put on some co-witness supressor sights. Would not want to bet my life on it.
You could always mount an aimpoint micro:
Tough I still wouldn't want to bet my life on that either.
If I would need it for combat, I'd put on some co-witness supressor sights. Would not want to bet my life on it.
You could always mount an aimpoint micro:
Tough I still wouldn't want to bet my life on that either.
Looks great. My RMR is on its way back. Trijicon told me they replaced the windage and elevation "internals" and things look good (to them) now. I hope they are right. Can't wait to start shooing this again, as I loved it when it was working.
Thank you for the great picture. I'm such a lousy photographer it isn't even funny. ;-(
I am in the process of mounting my new delta point I hope there are no issues with it. I decided on this because it had a larger window. I'm still not sure if i Made the rite decision by not going with trijicon. I can say that I have herd about the trijicon dots cutting out and having to be fixed. So may be I did make the rite choice
It is indeed hard to quantify. Main reason to go with the RMR for me was the better/longer warranty, meaning trijicon trust they did a good job.
If I would need it for combat, I'd put on some co-witness supressor sights. Would not want to bet my life on it.
You could always mount an aimpoint micro:
Tough I still wouldn't want to bet my life on that either.
You actually shoot that thing? ? LOL, I know my micro is light, but I'll bet that T1 causes you some reliabilty issues. . . and if I missed the satire in your post, then I guess I can laugh at myself
And to the OP's topic: I'm waiting to get my TSD slide G17 with RM04 back from a local smith who is building me a comp. Once I get it back, I'm going to check the POI retention of the RMR. Check out 10-8 performance, because I know Hilton Yam put quite a few rounds through an RMR M&P and had some drift issues.
You actually shoot that thing? ? LOL, I know my micro is light, but I'll bet that T1 causes you some reliabilty issues. . . and if I missed the satire in your post, then I guess I can laugh at myself
Can't say for that adapter but for the ATOM installation the change in weight has not caused any reliability issues.
| Adapter | Net Weight Increase (With Optic) |
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| Aimpoint Micro | 2.05 Ounces |
| Trijicon RMR | 0.00 Ounces |
| Leupold Deltapoint | (-)0.60 Ounces |
| Insight MRDS | (-)0.35 Ounces |
| DR Optic / Burris FF2 | (-)0.30 Ounces |
| Iron Sights | (-)1.0 Ounces |
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Yes I think that he did as did some others but I believe that Trijicon has addressed those issues and it is no longer a problem with recent production. None of the ones that I have sourced have had that issue of late.
I've never seen any hard data as to the actual failure rate either overall or as a function of S/N range. It all seems to be anecdotal.
I don't, i use the RMR milled in the slideYou actually shoot that thing? ? LOL, I know my micro is light, but I'll bet that T1 causes you some reliabilty issues. . . and if I missed the satire in your post, then I guess I can laugh at myself
This was just an idea because there were some doubts about the RMR's reliability.
There shouldn't be any doubts about the reliability of an RMR. They are extremely durable and if setup correctly the only thing you need to do is change battery once a year if you leave it on. I would recommend the rmr07 because I feel the 6.5 moa dot is perfect for its intended purpose and I like the adjustable and or auto brightness along with the ability to turn it off as well if I so desire.
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The slide is a pretty violent place to be for any optic, I don't think the problem is that RMR's aren't reliable, it's just not the most inherently reliable setup. I'd run a pair of tall sights if I was going to use one.
The ATOM is a legit mounting system. The group that developed it comes out with great solutions.
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The reason I went with the ATOM is say that in 5 or 6 years from now someone makes something better than the RMR. All I'll have to do is get a different mount rather than having the slide redone.
No they are not the same.
The RMR is different than all others. The hole spacing is much wider which is what limits some installations and drives the requirement for an adapter to provide material for the screw holes.
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Two of the most common downsides are that the RDS that I can think of is that
1. sits too high to be as useful as it could be
2. once your slide is machined for a certain RDS you are stuck with it?
What if you start off thinking you want an RMR but then you decided to try a deltapoint.
Also, the design came about to meet the needs of a "club" that uses RDS down range. Inside this "club" not all entities use the same pistol optic. Much easier to market something that can easily be adapted if need be.
Not to rain on anyone's parade here as I really want the RMR to to a viable option, however it seems as though Trij has some work to do yet with the RMRs. The battery RMRs have a well-documented pattern of beginning to fail (wandering zero among other issues) somewhere around 1000 rounds when mounted on semi-auto pistols. I've been told that Trij has pretty-much acknowledged the issue, is working on a solution, and has been warrantying the RMRs that have experienced problems. I was strongly considering getting one of my M&Ps milled for an RMR but I came to the conclusion that I'd wait (hopefully) until there is a revision/correction.
I'm waiting for one of these to show:
Product: Smith & Wesson M&P9L Pro Series C.O.R.E.
S&W is very astute to put something like this out.
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Gotta agree: if I didn't already have an extra M&P9 FS I'd be on the lookout for one as well...
I shoot an RMO7 on a G19 a lot and I have a deltapoint on a M&P 9 and for range use I like the Deltapoint it's got a bigger window and is clearer but you can tell that the RMR is built a lot tougher, uses thicker glass and it's recessed back in the frame more than the Delta Point. For me, it came down to price but if you're going to be abusing it I would say RMR but range use I would say Deltapoint.
So, a quick update (I had forgotten about my earlier post here back in March). I got my RMR back and put it through a pretty rigorous 3 days during a Magpul Dynamics handgun class. I put about 1200 rounds through it during that time. The RMR performed flawlessly. I found it to be a real advantage. The instructor also ran an RMR on one of his Glocks. He had good things to say about his setup as well. In summary, I am glad I went this route...
Ok, I called trijicon and spoke with a man who worked on the R&D of the rmr's. This is because a bought a 6.5moa adjustable rmr, and then got to reading about all the problems people have had with them. I believe he was honest..... He told me he did see tracking problems, and problems with the electronics on the first units that were made. Not across the board problems, but a few cases. He said the new models have completely upgraded electronics, and beefed up the windage and elevation turrets.
I'm running the adjustable rmr on my fnp45 tactical. So far, ZERO issues. I did mark the adjustment turrets to tell if they drift. Fwiw, I sold a docter that I was using originally, and replaced it with the rmr. Two reasons for this. First, the docter just looked fragile....it may not be, but it just didn't look as robust as I thought I needed. Second, there's a night vision setting on the adjustable rmr, so I should be able to shoot the pistol accurately at night with my pvs-15....haven't tried it yet though.
I will leave you with this, the docter's glass is clearer and less blue tinted than the rmr.
I'm running the adjustable rmr on my fnp45 tactical. So far, ZERO issues. I did mark the adjustment turrets to tell if they drift. Fwiw, I sold a docter that I was using originally, and replaced it with the rmr. Two reasons for this. First, the docter just looked fragile....it may not be, but it just didn't look as robust as I thought I needed. Second, there's a night vision setting on the adjustable rmr, so I should be able to shoot the pistol accurately at night with my pvs-15....haven't tried it yet though.
I will leave you with this, the docter's glass is clearer and less blue tinted than the rmr.
"There shouldn't be any doubts about the reliability of an RMR."
I ran my RMR once and it failed. It is off at Trijicon right now. It has been there two weeks and they have not contacted me yet. I love my ACOG but I am feeling let down by this RMR.
I ran my RMR once and it failed. It is off at Trijicon right now. It has been there two weeks and they have not contacted me yet. I love my ACOG but I am feeling let down by this RMR.
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