I stumbled across this co's site doing a search.. I might be in the market for a barrel soon and some input on there products would be helpful..Thanks
White Oak Barrels
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It's probably the most accurate 223 barrel I've used. I purchased a complete upper from them and it has been great.
It's probably the most accurate 223 barrel I've used. I purchased a complete upper from them and it has been great.
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WOA/WOP has an excellent reputation in the NRA High Power community for quality and accuracy. I use a WOA rear aperture assembly and one of their NM .062 front sights, both parts are very high quality. They cater to the competitive shooter so they aren't very well known in the typical AR "tactical" circles.
I currently shoot a RRA national match upper in Service Rifle competition, when the time comes to replace it I will send it to WOA to have the barrel replaced and the rear sight pinned.
WOA/WOP has an excellent reputation in the NRA High Power community for quality and accuracy. I use a WOA rear aperture assembly and one of their NM .062 front sights, both parts are very high quality. They cater to the competitive shooter so they aren't very well known in the typical AR "tactical" circles.
I currently shoot a RRA national match upper in Service Rifle competition, when the time comes to replace it I will send it to WOA to have the barrel replaced and the rear sight pinned.
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Aside from the match ARs, I know a lot of guys running WOA for 3 gun too. You won't be disappointed with WOA.
Aside from the match ARs, I know a lot of guys running WOA for 3 gun too. You won't be disappointed with WOA.
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AR15 not a novelty, I assure you! going strong since 1964 and currently "America's rifle" according to the press. I like the fact that White Oak caters to a small segment of the market---if
you were to speak with John Hollinger or try their barrels you would understand. hell, I don't dislike Ferrari because they dont make a gas miser subcompact---concentrating on a certain segment of the market can make one an expert and they are highly
rec. and looked up to.
AR15 not a novelty, I assure you! going strong since 1964 and currently "America's rifle" according to the press. I like the fact that White Oak caters to a small segment of the market---if
you were to speak with John Hollinger or try their barrels you would understand. hell, I don't dislike Ferrari because they dont make a gas miser subcompact---concentrating on a certain segment of the market can make one an expert and they are highly
rec. and looked up to.
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I received a WOA Barrel from my friend for x-mas. Getting ready to start my next build. I have 2 other AR's with WOA Barrels and they are tack drivers if you do your part. You will not be dissapointed if you choose to go with one of thier barrels.
I received a WOA Barrel from my friend for x-mas. Getting ready to start my next build. I have 2 other AR's with WOA Barrels and they are tack drivers if you do your part. You will not be dissapointed if you choose to go with one of thier barrels.
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Gobig,
how did u get one? I was told thet only do calibers on their websites...
Gobig,
how did u get one? I was told thet only do calibers on their websites...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoBig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have two, one in 308 and the other in 223. Both are very accurate! </div></div>
I have two also. same as gobig. one in 308 and 223. they both are very accurate also. the 223 is my favorite prairie dog/ jackrabbit rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoBig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have two, one in 308 and the other in 223. Both are very accurate! </div></div>
I have two also. same as gobig. one in 308 and 223. they both are very accurate also. the 223 is my favorite prairie dog/ jackrabbit rifle.
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Couldn't be happer with mine, I've pulled off 3" groups at 500 yards with Wolf 75grn JHP gold in this 16" WO BBL'd rig.
Couldn't be happer with mine, I've pulled off 3" groups at 500 yards with Wolf 75grn JHP gold in this 16" WO BBL'd rig.
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On the subject of WOA barrels especially in the SPR 18" flavor, how does it stand up to the Douglas "contract" MK12 barrel?
I keep on hearing how the WOA is bang for your buck considering it's at least $160 cheaper.
For the sake of discussion, how would accuracy be using the same match grade ammo, zero wind, controlled environment, same rifle, solid benchrest, yada yada yada..
I'm sure the both barrels will be better than me but I'm looking for the most accurate one.
On the subject of WOA barrels especially in the SPR 18" flavor, how does it stand up to the Douglas "contract" MK12 barrel?
I keep on hearing how the WOA is bang for your buck considering it's at least $160 cheaper.
For the sake of discussion, how would accuracy be using the same match grade ammo, zero wind, controlled environment, same rifle, solid benchrest, yada yada yada..
I'm sure the both barrels will be better than me but I'm looking for the most accurate one.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Couldn't be happer with mine, I've pulled off 3" groups at 500 yards with Wolf 75grn JHP gold in this 16" WO BBL'd rig.
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Nice rig!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Couldn't be happer with mine, I've pulled off 3" groups at 500 yards with Wolf 75grn JHP gold in this 16" WO BBL'd rig.
Nice rig!
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WOA or bust for ARs... as others have said, for quality and bang for your buck, it cant be beat..
WOA or bust for ARs... as others have said, for quality and bang for your buck, it cant be beat..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rawdeal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Nice rig!</div></div>
Thank you, she's sporting the Leupold CQBSS Mk8 1-8 now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rawdeal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Nice rig!</div></div>
Thank you, she's sporting the Leupold CQBSS Mk8 1-8 now.
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I just looked them up and they are about 10 min from me. I've only seen the groups from one of their barrels but was very impressed. A buddy bought one to replace his factory barrel in his 3 gun AR15 that was very inconsistent. Only doing a barrel change had it shooting a dime size group.
I just looked them up and they are about 10 min from me. I've only seen the groups from one of their barrels but was very impressed. A buddy bought one to replace his factory barrel in his 3 gun AR15 that was very inconsistent. Only doing a barrel change had it shooting a dime size group.
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My lovely wife got me one of their barrels for a build I worked on last year. Its an 18" SPR profile with midlength gas.
Big dummy me didn't accurately bore sight the gun the first time I shot it (in fact, wasn't really that concerned with accuracy for the first 20 or so rounds just wanted to make sure it functioned ok) but after I got it on paper and sighted in, it is dead nuts accurate. I can do a variation of the dot drill using surplus ammo and it will at least have the rounds touching the shapes at 100 yards (I made my own target using shapes in microsoft paint).
My best group so far has been a 10 shot group of 1.08 inches at 100 yards with 3 inside of that 10 round group that were .151 inches. The rest of the gun is no where near as accurate as the barrel. It has a standard DPMS LPK in it with a JP springs reduced power trigger and disconnector spring. I plan on upgrading to a better trigger configuration in the future. I know this gun is only being held back by me and my skill.
My lovely wife got me one of their barrels for a build I worked on last year. Its an 18" SPR profile with midlength gas.
Big dummy me didn't accurately bore sight the gun the first time I shot it (in fact, wasn't really that concerned with accuracy for the first 20 or so rounds just wanted to make sure it functioned ok) but after I got it on paper and sighted in, it is dead nuts accurate. I can do a variation of the dot drill using surplus ammo and it will at least have the rounds touching the shapes at 100 yards (I made my own target using shapes in microsoft paint).
My best group so far has been a 10 shot group of 1.08 inches at 100 yards with 3 inside of that 10 round group that were .151 inches. The rest of the gun is no where near as accurate as the barrel. It has a standard DPMS LPK in it with a JP springs reduced power trigger and disconnector spring. I plan on upgrading to a better trigger configuration in the future. I know this gun is only being held back by me and my skill.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only problem with WOA is that they dont make anything for 308s or 30-06s...i think that's not a cogent buisness model given that about 20%-30% of high power shoots also shoot M1As, M1 garands and AR-10s.
For instance, while they do nothing for .30 cal, they cater to ppl shooting exotic ar-15 calibers...dumb if you ask me.
Additionally, most of the highpower shooters i know also shoot M1 Garands, M1As, 03A3s etc. None of them shoot 6.8SPC, 6.5grendel etc...(for the record, I like the 6.8SPC, 300blk, etc, etc).
This is not meant as a bash on WOA or the other AR-15 calibers. On the contrary, i think very highly of them, and they will get my buisness if/when they realize that is more profitable to offer barrel services for 308s rather than the exotic ar-15 calibers that prolly wont be around in 5-10 years when the novelty wears off.
Rant off. </div></div>
The .223, in addition to the "exotic" calibers is a HUGE market. You say 20%-30% use .30 cal rifles, well that leaves 70%-80% using what they make, which turns out to be PLENTY of customers to keep their machines churning out barrels full time.
For example, another company: Daniel Defense offers no type of .308 caliber AR, and I dont think you will find a single person to agree with you if you think they have a failing business model.
If in 5 years all the exoctic calibers have stopped being popular, it isn't hard for them to remove them from the line up, but right now there is demand for them, and not every AR company is catering to them. Getting their business is SMART business.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only problem with WOA is that they dont make anything for 308s or 30-06s...i think that's not a cogent buisness model given that about 20%-30% of high power shoots also shoot M1As, M1 garands and AR-10s.
For instance, while they do nothing for .30 cal, they cater to ppl shooting exotic ar-15 calibers...dumb if you ask me.
Additionally, most of the highpower shooters i know also shoot M1 Garands, M1As, 03A3s etc. None of them shoot 6.8SPC, 6.5grendel etc...(for the record, I like the 6.8SPC, 300blk, etc, etc).
This is not meant as a bash on WOA or the other AR-15 calibers. On the contrary, i think very highly of them, and they will get my buisness if/when they realize that is more profitable to offer barrel services for 308s rather than the exotic ar-15 calibers that prolly wont be around in 5-10 years when the novelty wears off.
Rant off. </div></div>
The .223, in addition to the "exotic" calibers is a HUGE market. You say 20%-30% use .30 cal rifles, well that leaves 70%-80% using what they make, which turns out to be PLENTY of customers to keep their machines churning out barrels full time.
For example, another company: Daniel Defense offers no type of .308 caliber AR, and I dont think you will find a single person to agree with you if you think they have a failing business model.
If in 5 years all the exoctic calibers have stopped being popular, it isn't hard for them to remove them from the line up, but right now there is demand for them, and not every AR company is catering to them. Getting their business is SMART business.
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When we build custom AR15's, we use WOA barrels almost exclusively. They are very well made and an excellent company to deal with. We have seen groups in the 1/2 MOA range with their product. You won't be disappointed.
Bill
When we build custom AR15's, we use WOA barrels almost exclusively. They are very well made and an excellent company to deal with. We have seen groups in the 1/2 MOA range with their product. You won't be disappointed.
Bill
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I bought on this afternoon. I look forward to putting it through the paces. Will post results as soon as possible.
I bought on this afternoon. I look forward to putting it through the paces. Will post results as soon as possible.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gobig,
how did u get one? I was told thet only do calibers on their websites... </div></div>
D9 firearms were having them custom made and I picked one up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gobig,
how did u get one? I was told thet only do calibers on their websites... </div></div>
D9 firearms were having them custom made and I picked one up.
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I have been planning a long range AR build for a long time now. I plan on using a White Oak upper.
A lot of the guys I shoot with use White Oak barrels out to 600 yards. Excellent barrels.
I have been planning a long range AR build for a long time now. I plan on using a White Oak upper.
A lot of the guys I shoot with use White Oak barrels out to 600 yards. Excellent barrels.
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I have a WOA 18" SPR barrel and I can shoot with consistency .3" groups at 100 yards using my handloads. The only factory ammo I have used is SSA 63gr Sierra Softpoints and Hornady 62gr TAP. Both shot well.
I would recommend a WOA barrel.
I have a WOA 18" SPR barrel and I can shoot with consistency .3" groups at 100 yards using my handloads. The only factory ammo I have used is SSA 63gr Sierra Softpoints and Hornady 62gr TAP. Both shot well.
I would recommend a WOA barrel.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only problem with WOA is that they dont make anything for 308s or 30-06s...i think that's not a cogent buisness model given that about 20%-30% of high power shoots also shoot M1As, M1 garands and AR-10s.
For instance, while they do nothing for .30 cal, they cater to ppl shooting exotic ar-15 calibers...dumb if you ask me.
Additionally, most of the highpower shooters i know also shoot M1 Garands, M1As, 03A3s etc. None of them shoot 6.8SPC, 6.5grendel etc...(for the record, I like the 6.8SPC, 300blk, etc, etc).
This is not meant as a bash on WOA or the other AR-15 calibers. On the contrary, i think very highly of them, and they will get my buisness if/when they realize that is more profitable to offer barrel services for 308s rather than the exotic ar-15 calibers that prolly wont be around in 5-10 years when the novelty wears off.
Rant off. </div></div>
I think John stays pretty busy catering to the highpower crowd, which is how he got his start. And your % numbers for HP folks shooting 308/3006 are WAY off. You have a few M1as out there, maybe a Garand or two on the line (and we are talking big matches like at Perry, go to a regional and you might have one M1a and rarely ever see a Garand and when you do its usualy a newer shooter just shooting what they got). and if it wasnt for Palma, you would rarely ever see a 308 on the LR field.
Either way, John knows what he is doing and if it wasnt a good working biz model, he would be out of biz. I am sure there is someone out there wlling to make some 30 cal stuff for you.
As for WOA, I think folks will be very happy with anything they get from WOA. Good quality stuff and they stand behind their products.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only problem with WOA is that they dont make anything for 308s or 30-06s...i think that's not a cogent buisness model given that about 20%-30% of high power shoots also shoot M1As, M1 garands and AR-10s.
For instance, while they do nothing for .30 cal, they cater to ppl shooting exotic ar-15 calibers...dumb if you ask me.
Additionally, most of the highpower shooters i know also shoot M1 Garands, M1As, 03A3s etc. None of them shoot 6.8SPC, 6.5grendel etc...(for the record, I like the 6.8SPC, 300blk, etc, etc).
This is not meant as a bash on WOA or the other AR-15 calibers. On the contrary, i think very highly of them, and they will get my buisness if/when they realize that is more profitable to offer barrel services for 308s rather than the exotic ar-15 calibers that prolly wont be around in 5-10 years when the novelty wears off.
Rant off. </div></div>
I think John stays pretty busy catering to the highpower crowd, which is how he got his start. And your % numbers for HP folks shooting 308/3006 are WAY off. You have a few M1as out there, maybe a Garand or two on the line (and we are talking big matches like at Perry, go to a regional and you might have one M1a and rarely ever see a Garand and when you do its usualy a newer shooter just shooting what they got). and if it wasnt for Palma, you would rarely ever see a 308 on the LR field.
Either way, John knows what he is doing and if it wasnt a good working biz model, he would be out of biz. I am sure there is someone out there wlling to make some 30 cal stuff for you.
As for WOA, I think folks will be very happy with anything they get from WOA. Good quality stuff and they stand behind their products.
Hoping so, just picked up 16" .750 at gasblock profile today fm GB to throw on an extra Grendel barreled AR that's been sitting somewhat inactive. From feedback above, I won't be disappointed.
The only problem is, the wait. Its crazy painful. Also their customer service hasn't been that great for me. I called to reserve an SPR 3 weeks ago, still no confirmation email. I called to confirm my order after 2 weeks and they said I was good to go. Still haven't gotten confirmation email.
I don't have the old school skills to really brag about how my Service Rifle upper from them shoots.
I've gotten MOA at 100 with irons working up loads.
This June I did get to smack the snot out of an 11" gong at 711 yards with my buddy's WOA SPR barrel, off a Harris fairly rapid fire.
I can't say what the group size was as I was only using a 10x but his rifle hammers.
I've gotten MOA at 100 with irons working up loads.
This June I did get to smack the snot out of an 11" gong at 711 yards with my buddy's WOA SPR barrel, off a Harris fairly rapid fire.
I can't say what the group size was as I was only using a 10x but his rifle hammers.
I placed an order for a Service rifle barrel in February. I just called them today to check on the status and they said it might ship by early/mid September. Luckily I don't need it right away and its just to have for a future need. If you do need it sometime before next spring you might want to call other places and see what the wait times are.
I was afraid of hearing stuff like this. I really don't think I can hold out for 6+ months.
I was lucky enough to find one in stock at Brownells when I was planning my 16" build. Didn't know much about them other than I was pretty sure they provided barrels for the MK12... that and it was the only 16" middy I could find. Anywhere.
When I got all the parts, screwed everything together and sent 10 rounds to function check and zero. Moved out to 500 yds. and shot 2 rds. (almost touching) to confirm elevation and it was within 2" of my 18" rifle length upper. Moved out to 750 yds. and shot this:
There are 3 groups there.
The first is lower left, 3 shots. 2.79" c-c. .355 moa
Corrected .3 mils up and held right edge of plate for wind (about 7mph from 1 o' clock), 3 far right shots. 5.30" c-c. .675 moa
Dialed down .1 mil and held a little more left, about halfway between right edge of plate and right edge of orange, 5 shots. 4.66" c-c. .593 moa
At 750 yds.
From a 16" AR15.
With my 77 gr. Nosler CC handloads out of Scharch LC once-fired brass.
Ridiculous.
I'm sold.
John
When I got all the parts, screwed everything together and sent 10 rounds to function check and zero. Moved out to 500 yds. and shot 2 rds. (almost touching) to confirm elevation and it was within 2" of my 18" rifle length upper. Moved out to 750 yds. and shot this:
There are 3 groups there.
The first is lower left, 3 shots. 2.79" c-c. .355 moa
Corrected .3 mils up and held right edge of plate for wind (about 7mph from 1 o' clock), 3 far right shots. 5.30" c-c. .675 moa
Dialed down .1 mil and held a little more left, about halfway between right edge of plate and right edge of orange, 5 shots. 4.66" c-c. .593 moa
At 750 yds.
From a 16" AR15.
With my 77 gr. Nosler CC handloads out of Scharch LC once-fired brass.
Ridiculous.
I'm sold.
John
You certainly seem to be evaluating it while at the same time saying they have a long time before they can be evaluated..... Huh? Lol
I love mine. Here is a picture of the gun it's on and the group (5 shots @100) from the first time at the range. While it's not as tight as some groups that are posted I take 100% responsibility and say that this gun shoots way better then I do)
Yep, I ordered a 26"1:8 fluted Varmint upper on Feb 15th and they said 6 months. Took them 3 weeks just to get the order in the system so I got an invoice (Jane was very nice when I called and told me she was that far behind when I ordered). They have always responded to my emails within a day or two. Just sent them a check to pay for it and confirm delivery... hope to see it in a few more weeks.
My only complaint is that they won't install the low pro gas block and yhm 15" todd jerret float tube on it at the factory (they are waiting in my gun safe now with the yhm wrench) so I will have to take it apart once I get it. (If I can find someone local with a mounted big vise for my upper vise blocks).I will be selling my 1:8 24" RRA SS bull varmint upper as soon as I get this one... I just couldn't wait six months and got it back in May
. Only had time to put 100 rounds through it and was sub moa @ 100 yds with 77gr SMK and almost no load work up.
Alternative to WOA barrels, try Keystone Accuracy. The owner, John Scandale, a former All Guard shooter knows his way around the black gun as well, not just turning barrels and making uppers. He has the barrels in stock and can turn the order around fairly quickly. I am using a couple of KA barrels and there are a few more in use among the service rifle shooters in TX
Keystone Accuracy Custom Rifles, Plymouth Meeting, PA
nez rongero
Keystone Accuracy Custom Rifles, Plymouth Meeting, PA
nez rongero
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Barrelling a 308 or 30-06 M1a or Garand is entirely different from barrelling an AR. With an Ar all you need is a barrel/bolt combo and a wrench or two and a vise. The older guns require fitting the barrel to the action and existing bolt. They headspace differently. MUCH MORE TIME CONSUMING. Having been to Perry for the last 34 years, I can assure you there are not 20-30 percent 30 calibers on the line now a days, even including bolt guns. John is not a "gunsmith", he's an AR parts maker/modifier, supplier and assembler. He does do barrels for Tubb guns, but my understanding is they can be done without having the action in hand, same as an AR.
Anything that's good enough for nez is good enough for me. Does KA sell just barrels? I may be calling them to see if they are in stock.
Yes, John sells just the barrels. Give him a call and tell him I said Hi. If he does not have one available ready to ship, he can turn one around fairly quickly. I believe he has blanks in stock.
Just recv'd my 16" WOA barrel yesterday-from a Gunbroker buy, but will still need to source a properly headspaced bolt. Would it be best to send barrel to WOA to have the bolt fitted or is there another suitable alternative? Having gone the distance for a good barrel, want to complete the package for max accuracy and brass life.
I called White Oak and asked the same question. I was told by the CS rep at White Oak that any mil-spec bolt will work. Apparently when they "headspace" a bolt to the barrel there, they just pick a bolt that fits that barrel "best". But technically in-spec is in-spec. I used a random mil-spec bolt from PSA and it headspaced just fine.
They can do it, just didn't seem to think it was necessary.
John
They can do it, just didn't seem to think it was necessary.
John
I to have shot many a round down range through a WOA barrel and it works well. i would buy again in a heart beat.
been looking to get a 18" SS barrel for my AR and I also ran across WOA, everything i read about them was good but the wait time is what killed it so I looked some more, stumbled onto Rainier Arms site where they sell them also, they list under WOA's Features stating its a Wilson Blank, so WOA gets Wilson blanks and then chambers them.
Rainier Arms™ | Browse | White Oak Armament | WOA 18 Stainless Steel Match Grade Barrel
I decided to get the one from MidwayUSA called the AR-Stoner barrel, some good reviews some bad but ill get it soon, I found out that AR-Stoner is just what Midway rebadges their "House" barrels which are made by Wilson Combat
AR-Stoner: AR-Stoner Barrel AR-15 223 Remington (Wylde) Medium Contour 1 8 Twist
Wilson Combat: Match Grade Barrel | 5.56 NATO | Recon | 18" | 1-8 Twist-Wilson Combat
Rainier Arms™ | Browse | White Oak Armament | WOA 18 Stainless Steel Match Grade Barrel
I decided to get the one from MidwayUSA called the AR-Stoner barrel, some good reviews some bad but ill get it soon, I found out that AR-Stoner is just what Midway rebadges their "House" barrels which are made by Wilson Combat
AR-Stoner: AR-Stoner Barrel AR-15 223 Remington (Wylde) Medium Contour 1 8 Twist
Wilson Combat: Match Grade Barrel | 5.56 NATO | Recon | 18" | 1-8 Twist-Wilson Combat
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If you'd rather not wait for a great barrel, try Gary Schneider. I have been shooting an 8-twist Schneider barrel on my AR-15 service rifle for years now, and it consistently shoots sub-MOA with just about everything I put through it. I recently ordered a .260 Remington barrel for an AR-308 project, and received it about 5 weeks later. I've read that David Tubb uses Schneider barrels frequently, and that's a good indicator of quality in and of itself.
