Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

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    I am starting to reload for 6.5 creedmoor and recently purchased the 3 die set from Redding with the neck, body and seater alll seperate. any of you using this

    Are you reloading neck sized casings for a tactical competition?

    once the rounds are shot in theis rifle what is the periodicity that I will most likely have to body size?

    also is there any loss of action ease in cycling fully body sized rounds vs neck sized only?

    Thanks Bill
     
    #4
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">once the rounds are shot in theis rifle what is the periodicity that I will most likely have to body size?</div></div>

    The typical sequence for me is: 7 reloads->body die->5-6 reloads->body die->4-5 reloads->body die->4-5 reloads->body die->4-5 reloads->body die->3-4 reloads->body die->3-4 reloads->body die->probably beyond their accurate life: toss or foulers

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also is there any loss of action ease in cycling fully body sized rounds vs neck sized only?</div></div>

    Any loss of ease is a sign a trip through the body die is in order.
     
    #6
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am starting to reload for 6.5 creedmoor and recently purchased the 3 die set from Redding with the neck, body and seater alll seperate. any of you using this

    Are you reloading neck sized casings for a tactical competition?

    once the rounds are shot in theis rifle what is the periodicity that I will most likely have to body size?

    also is there any loss of action ease in cycling fully body sized rounds vs neck sized only?

    Thanks Bill </div></div>

    I just got done going full retard on a 223 setup for my ARs. Picked up a second bushing neck die and a body die, as well as an extra Dillon toolhead.

    I'm running the body die in the 550's station 3, the first bushing neck die with a .249" TiNi bushing sans decapping rod in station 4, finally, I removed the kickout wire and run the second neck bushing with whatever size TiNi I might need, depending on brand of brass, in station 1, where I have installed a carbide expander ball to iron out the dings in the necks. This is how I'm doing it from now on.

    I have the same setup for my 308, more or less.

    Chris
     
    #9
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    I bump the shoulder every time. I noticed that fired cases chambered a bit hard when just neck sized and also shot differently. I can only conclude that case internal volume is the culprit. Just to keep everything consistent, I bump the shoulder a tiny bit every loading.
     
    #10
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have several neck size only dies. But I haven't used them in several years. I F/L size everything now. </div></div>

    Victor please explain.
     
    #11
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tim K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bump the shoulder every time. I noticed that fired cases chambered a bit hard when just neck sized and also shot differently. I can only conclude that case internal volume is the culprit. Just to keep everything consistent, I bump the shoulder a tiny bit every loading. </div></div>
    100% correct. If you work up a load with new virgin brass, and then the neck size only and load the same load, it can very easily change the load up. You will need to alter the load slightly once you neck size. The load will be within a few tenths up or down of the original load.
    Some of the rounds will chamber hard. After having issues with this, I prefer to FL size. I do neck size my 300WM ammo, but chamber check each round to make sure it chambers.
     
    #12
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    Between a neck sizer, and a Redding Body Die, plus annealing every 4th reload... not onl am I am noticing greater accuracy in my ammo, but case life has gone to unbelievable life span...
     
    #13
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    Neck sizing only will work for a limited number of firing cycles. After "X" firings you will have to bump the shoulders back. Usually 3 or 4 firings is about the limit before you get one chambered and have to beat the bolt handle to get it opened. In a match this will cost you valuable time and will change the way your rifle sits in the sandbags or rest.

    After getting bumped down in the pack at an international match I decided to full length size everything. But do it to a minimum that would keep it fairly tight in the chamber. I want the loaded round to chamber and the bolt handle to start to move with very little or no pressure on the bolt. This way I'm not forcing the round in and the bolt to close. This helps maintain the sight picture from shot to shot and give consistancy to the equation. It also removes the shot / bump schedule from the mix because you are bumping the shoulder each and every time. But only a minimum amount.

    For me, F/L sizing everything has helped make that part of the loading a little less confusing and a little more simple. And if you are ever firing a timed relay and have the bolt jam, you'll understand my meaning.

    I hope this helps you understand WHY I full length size everything.
     
    #14
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    I just neck size my brass with a Lee collet die. It's acutally the only die set I could get during the big shortage last year. I'm on my 5th load with no problems but my rifle likes a fairly soft shooting load.
     
    #16
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I neck size and "bump" every 3 to 4 firings...I also chamber every loaded round to make sure there will be no problems in the field... </div></div>

    When I was about 15 I was checking to make sure my 30-06 rounds would fit in my dad's 30-06 and something was wrong with the trigger/sear and I shot a hole through the roof of my parent's house.
     
    #20
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: larbhills</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I neck size and "bump" every 3 to 4 firings...I also chamber every loaded round to make sure there will be no problems in the field... </div></div>

    When I was about 15 I was checking to make sure my 30-06 rounds would fit in my dad's 30-06 and something was wrong with the trigger/sear and I shot a hole through the roof of my parent's house. </div></div>

    Little spackle and you're good to go.
     
    #21
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor,

    Bushing full sizing die?

    Thought you were only supposed to bump 3/4 of the neck ona bushing?

    how do you not creat an issue in the neck shoulder area? Or does it? </div></div>

    Use the case wall thickness X 2 + the bullet diameter - .002" rule. That will get you in the ball park. Dies for my bolt guns are Redding "S" full length dies. It usually sizes the whole neck and bumps the shoulder.
     
    #22
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor,

    Bushing full sizing die?

    Thought you were only supposed to bump 3/4 of the neck ona bushing?

    how do you not creat an issue in the neck shoulder area? Or does it? </div></div>

    Use the case wall thickness X 2 + the bullet diameter - .002" rule. That will get you in the ball park. Dies for my bolt guns are Redding "S" full length dies. It usually sizes the whole neck and bumps the shoulder. </div></div>

    Do you use the same methodology that you sent me to bump the shoulder?
     
    #23
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    A neck die with a bushing only sizes approx 1/2 to 3/4 of the total neck length
    also it will not bump the shoulder at all
    Bill

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor,

    Bushing full sizing die?

    Thought you were only supposed to bump 3/4 of the neck ona bushing?

    how do you not creat an issue in the neck shoulder area? Or does it? </div></div>
     
    #24
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor,

    Bushing full sizing die?

    Thought you were only supposed to bump 3/4 of the neck ona bushing?

    how do you not creat an issue in the neck shoulder area? Or does it? </div></div>

    Use the case wall thickness X 2 + the bullet diameter - .002" rule. That will get you in the ball park. Dies for my bolt guns are Redding "S" full length dies. It usually sizes the whole neck and bumps the shoulder. </div></div>

    Do you use the same methodology that you sent me to bump the shoulder? </div></div>

    That is correct.
     
    #26
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A neck die with a bushing only sizes approx 1/2 to 3/4 of the total neck length
    also it will not bump the shoulder at all
    Bill

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor,

    Bushing full sizing die?

    Thought you were only supposed to bump 3/4 of the neck ona bushing?

    how do you not creat an issue in the neck shoulder area? Or does it? </div></div> </div></div>

    Bill,

    I'm using Redding "S" type full length dies. They do a very good job when adjusted correctly.
     
    #28
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    I used to neck size for Steyr SBS Tactical .308. I also seated the bullets .005 off the lands. I was getting 3/4" at 100 yards with this combination (155 Palma Moly, 47gr Varget, Win brass, CCI 200 primers).

    I duplicated this load for a buddy's rifle but full-length sized and seated to SAAMI max COAL. I tried a few of these in the Steyr SBS Tactical and it actually shot them better than the neck sized/.005 off the lands loads. Now I'm getting all in one hole or at least very small clover leafs with this rifle at 100 and around 1" at 200 if I do my part. So this cut my group size in half.

    So now I full-length size and load to SAAMI max length for this rifle.




     
    #29
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seafire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Between a neck sizer, and a Redding Body Die, plus annealing every 4th reload... not onl am I am noticing greater accuracy in my ammo, but case life has gone to unbelievable life span... </div></div>


    I've always thought that using a body die and neck bushing sizer was the same as using a full bushing sizer. I always hit the shoulder, either with a body die or full length sizer. Am I correct that both methods give the same benefits and disadvantages?
     
    #30
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Smithcollector</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seafire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Between a neck sizer, and a Redding Body Die, plus annealing every 4th reload... not onl am I am noticing greater accuracy in my ammo, but case life has gone to unbelievable life span... </div></div>


    I've always thought that using a body die and neck bushing sizer was the same as using a full bushing sizer. I always hit the shoulder, either with a body die or full length sizer. Am I correct that both methods give the same benefits and disadvantages? </div></div>

    I just picked up a used SB 223 body die and the fellow sent along the instruction sheet which states that it mimics the case body part of their FL sizing dies, so it appears that the body die 'body' part, is the same as their FL sizing die's 'body' part.

    I use a Dillon 550b with 4 hole toolheads. The other day, I bought a spare toolhead and a second bushing neck sizing die (w/that body die).

    I set the body die up in the 'seating' spot, station 3. I then put my first 'step down' bushing neck die (sans decapping stem) in station 4, where crimps would be performed separately. This has a larger (.249" or .250") TiNi bushing in it and sizes my blown out (.254") necks in two steps, rather than one fell swoop.

    Finally, I've removed the kickout wire and placed my second bushing neck die with carbide expander ball (AR fired, dinged mouths) in station 1, with whatever bushing I need to use for that brand of brass. I deprime/prime here.

    It's more costly than a single bushing neck/body die combo and for sure, more than a single FL bushing die, but I can do more work with a single pull of the press handle, this way, once it's been set up. I don't have to do multiple passes for batches of brass.

    I am out a toolhead and a second neck sizing die, but I got the latter, along with the body die for $36 delivered from a nice guy here, last week, so deals are out there.

    I use this method for my precision ammo in 308. It's kind of a variation of LTRDavid's elaborate method.

    I do keep standard FL/Neck dies around for times I don't want to dick with precision and just load zombie/SHTF ammo, or I jam something up.

    Later, Chris
     
    #31
    Re: Who is using Neck Dies ONLY???????????

    sounds like its 50-50 between fl sizing and neck only sizing, and that when I finally have to do a fl sizing after x amount of firings, I have to work up loads again?
     
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