Rifle Scopes Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

[pc3]

Folks,

It seems on the hide most people stick with one system for consistency;

MOA/MOA or MIL/MIL

But who out there has some of both depending on the use of the scope etc.

It maybe that the MOA finer adjustments might suit a certain application for a person on one rifle yet they prefer mils for another application.

For mine as long as the turrets match reticle thats the main issue. If you have your randeg card etc. you just get your "mind" set to MOA or MIL before heading out.

For example Im thinking for pure varminting the MOA based reticles might be better than MIL based ones in the Nightforce brand at least.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

do the math on .25 moa vs .1 mil

 

[pc3]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">do the math on .25 moa vs .1 mil </div></div>

What are you getting at ? Just asking if people run both types of scopes (with matching turrets) on there rifles.
not concerned at all about the math.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">do the math on .25 moa vs .1 mil </div></div>

In Mils, I thought a tenth (.10) is a tenth of a mil/mil-dot? Would that not make a tenth of a mil .36 of an inch? I thought MOA was a finer adjustment as well, being that's it's .25 of an inch.

 

[pc3]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

do the math on .25 moa vs .1 mil </div></div>

In Mils, I thought a tenth (.10) is a tenth of a mil/mil-dot? Would that not make a tenth of a mil .36 of an inch? I thought


correct......Im more interested in who is using both flavours of icecream not just one or the other.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

.25 MOA is actually .2615" @ 100yds... .1 (or .10) mil is .36 @100yds... that's a difference of less than .1"... less than 1/10th of an inch...

do you really think you can hold 1/10th of an inch?

 

[pc3]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.25 MOA is actually .2615" @ 100yds... .1 (or .10) mil is .36 @100yds... that's a difference of less than .1"... less than 1/10th of an inch...

do you really think you can hold 1/10th of an inch?</div></div>

Not the question Im asking...........just asking who runs both systems............possibly BR shooters might think they can hold 1/10th of an inch, im not sure.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

I give up

 

[Pusher591]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

No, I don't think you or I can hold a tenth of an inch but you said do the math...so I was thinking I had been doing it wrong, I just wanted to confirm the math.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, I don't think you or I can hold a tenth of an inch but you said do the math...so I was thinking I had been doing it wrong, I just wanted to confirm the math.</div></div>

you were doing it wrong.. MOA is NOT 1" @ 100yds... so .25 MOA isn't .25"... it's .2615"

 

[mwilkins]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

To reply to the original question, I am a lost sole thus far. The first decent scope I purchased before knowing anything was a Nikon Monarch 4x16x50. I has a mil dot reticle with moa turrets. Didn't know any difference and just wanted a decent scope.

Next scope purchased was a NF NXS 5.5x22x56 with a moa/moa setup. Much better than the Nikon and I understand using this scope more so than the first.

The next addition (still to be ordered) is going to be a USO SN-3 T-PAL 5x25x58 and it will be mil/mil.

The Nikon sits on a .223 and primarily only gets shot at known distances so keeping the dope on it is not an issue. The NF is on my Grendel. I have learned much more with this scope and have the makings of a decent range card in the works for it with distances out to 500 yrds. Considered sending it back to NF for a reticle change but decided against it due to the additional cost. Really looking forward to the USO and learning to use the mil/mil setup. It will be going on a 338 build and more than likely will get utilized more so than the others.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

True, technically I was but when you responded to his post stating "do the math" you kind of came off like he was wrong when, you were. It's such a small adjustment it doesn't matter though, but MOA technically, is still a finer adjustment.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

to answer the op's question, i would not recommend using both systems. sure you can but more things to think about equals more areas you can make a mistake. pick a system and stick with it. it will become second nature.


i'm a big fan of having all my precision rifles using the same scope manufacture, adjustments, reticle, ring height and stock. i don't want to think about anything other than the conditions in front of me and the actual dope for the rifle in hand.

 

[okrebel92]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

OP, I wouldn't use both unless you have nothing better to do in life. Decide on one or the other. I went with MIL/MIL because it seemed easier to me. Yes, technically .25 MOA is more precise per "click", but unless your gun is a fucking ion cannon laser gun, your not good enough to deal with a sub 1/10th of an inch hold at distance so it's irrelevent. Are you trying to say that MOA is better because its a smaller incriment per click? Many would disagree. I know several people that have MOA/MOA scopes and MIL/MIL scopes. Everyone of them tend to prefer one or the other and shoot that measureing system more because of it.

As far as prefering different measurement systems for different applications, like in your example, I see alot of time and money being wasted. If you aren't 100% on which system you want to use, try both, pick one, and stay with the system you picked. Having different rifles is one thing, but switching back and forth from a MIL/MIL to a MOA/MOA to an IPHY/IPHY to a MOA/MIL and so on, is a waste imho. And pusher, FM's math is correct.

 

[Bedlam]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

I have both. For ranging I prefer MOA or IPHY because I tend to think of distances in hundreds of yards and I tend to think of target sizes in inches.

But if you're trying to pick one or the other, this would be my list of priorities when picking a system today:

1) If you already have MIL or MOA, stick with it.
2) If you will be shooting with spotters or buddies or whatever who have one or the other, go with what they have. It will be correcting, spotting, and communication easier.
3) If you will be ranging with your reticle and you think of target sizes in inches and distances in hundreds of yards, then go MOA or IPHY.
4) If you would like a wider range and availability of brands, scope models, and reticles to choose from go MIL.
5) If you go MIL, I'd get MIL hashes and stay away from MIL-DOT. I think MIL-DOT is a bad reticle, but that's just my preference.

How "big" a MIL or MOA isn't even on the list. It keeps coming up in discussions yet I think it is so trivial that it's not worth mentioning when trying to pick a system.

 

[jrbet83]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I give up </div></div>

Love how your a dick to one guy for thinking possibly .1" per hundred yards may matter, and in the same thread, be a dick to another person defending how important a .01" is.

I know what a minute of angle is. Just find it slightly comically that you think the difference between .2625 and .36 isn't a big deal, but the difference between .25 and .2625 is.

The truth is, for 99.99% of shooter/rifle/ammo/scope set-ups out there, calling a 1/4 moa .25" at a hundred yards is adequate.

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

I have and use both MOA and mil. Its not a big deal for me to switch back and forth. I really could care less about what the value of the reticle and knobs are as long as they match and are repeatable. Mil or MOA is just a unit of measure that you use to get the desired POI, the value of that measurement doesn't matter.

 

[WKR]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

I have used both, most of my shooting is on metal targets at known distances and I use a LRF for plinking and hunting, I like MOA/MOA better than mils.

 

[mwroseberry]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

Having both doesn't matter if you have matched turrets to reticle and FFP on all of them. Once the first shot is gone if you don't have a hit you simple use your ret, hold over or dial and be done with it. I prefer min/min because the ranging math is a cake walk. JMO.

Good Luck,
Merritt

 

[Ring]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pc3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Not the question Im asking...........just asking who runs both systems.............</div></div>

i run both... not any 1 reason Y, other then thats what i bought at the time, and im not going to rebuy all my optics so they are the same...

 

[shootist~]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

Both here - I only got into mil in the last year. Anything new will be in mil/mil (math is easier), but I have no plans to get rid of my NF 2.5-10x32 moa/moa (NP-R2), because it works so well for my eyes.

 

[sscoyote]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

PC3 i run every multistadia reticle out there for reticle rangefinding from mil to MOA to SMOA to ballistic to simple plex to...even archery sight pins. Any subtension can be plugged into the equation once it's understood. That concept is so far and above the mil/MOA fiasco that they can't even be seen anymore.

 

[Guest]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

I've both Mil/Mil Moa/Mil Moa/Moa an IPHY/IPHY
Once you quit dialing and hold everything you will understand it matters little what you have as long as you can use it. Other than dialing a base zero, the dials are worthless to me.

 

[hypno02]

Re: Who runs both MOA/MOA & MIL/MIL Scopes

I run both. If you shoot both scopes enough you won't have a problem. Once you get rusty or those rifles start collecting dust, that's when the confusion sets in.