Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

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#1
I was speaking with my vortex rep yesterday and complaining about the fact that they dont make a scope any more for 22 tactical matches. The old crossfires like mine, which you cant find around any more, is 6-24x50, mil dot, good turrets, and focuses down to 10 yards. The only thing it doesnt have is a side parallax adjustment. Unfortunately, the new Crossfire II's dont have that much magnification nor do they come in a mil dot reticle.

I asked him what it would take to get a scope with the following features:

Magnification around 6-24X (like my crossfire)or even 5-20X
Side parallax
Mil dot reticle
Good repeatable turrets
Focus down to AT LEAST 25 yards (crossfires focus down to 10 yards).
Hopefully with at least 75 MOA of windage and elevation

This was his reply:
How big do you think the market would be for something like this- Do you think I could sell 300 qty a year-
Let me know your thoughts-

What do you guys think? Is there enough demand out there to warrant production of a scope like I'm looking for?
For those of you who arent aware, Vortex has a 100% lifetime guarantee on their scopes. If you break it, they replace it. No questions asked.

I love my crossfire scope and with the 100% lifetime guarantee you just cant beat them.
It sounds like if the market will bear 300+ sales per year its possible to get them to start making them again.

Let me know what you think and I'll forward the info to Vortex.

Thanks,
Rodney
 
#2
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I know I'd be interested in one. Been looking lately and haven't really found anything for the purpose that wasn't more than i am willing to spend on a rimfire rig..
 
#3
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Yep, the problem finding a good tactical rimfire scope is that if you get the higher magnifications to see very small targets at distance the scope doesnt focus down to less than 50 yards. The old crossfires had everything except a side parallax. Mine is 6-24x50 with mil dots and focus down to 10 yards. They just dont make them any more. The new crossfire II's dont come in a mil dot at all.

Hopefully we can get a lot of feedback on the forums Ive posted this on and get them to start making a good 22 scope again.

Thanks
 
#4
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Hi Rodney,

IMO, the "<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">biggest failure</span></span>" in the rifle scope industry is not including a parallax that focuses down to 10Y on every rifle scope that has some type of parallax adjustment on it. It all comes down to versatility. There are times we shooters need to see up closer with a rifle scope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Centerfires... I've shot more than a few stages at tactical matches that were less than 50Y. I hate
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having to dial my FFP scopes down to the lowest power to see the intended target with any semblance of clarity.

Rimfires... I was shooting our first official local 22 match a couple weekends ago. Guess what? They had a stage at 15Y and 25Y. Same old sh!t.

Precision air rifle... Specifically Field Target Air Rifle or another purpose would be folks that want to train for centerfire in their backyard with the same scope that's on their centerfire. There are folks out there that would love a "decent" FFP scope with matching turrets/modern reticle that focuses to 10Y. Most of us are not going to spend $3000+ for a S&B or a March with 10Y parallax to have our cake and eat it too.
 
#6
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

would love to see something like this. But then for me budget is always an issue, so if they can keep it on the lower end like the crossfire line then yeah i think i would snag one of these if they were made again.
 
#7
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If the budget line was right I can think of about a dozen guys by me that would buy them, what I dont know is how sustainable 300 every year would be after the first glut of purchases
 
#8
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I would love to have one too provided the price range it would fall into, the only thing i would change is the reticle to the EBR-1 or even better the EBR-2B instead of standard mil dot. I would like to see mil turrets too.
 
#10
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I would love to see one. I am impressed with the vortex scopes and have been debating a PST 4-16X FFP for my .22, but am concerned about not being able to focus <50 yards. This would be a much better solution and hopefully more into the price point of the crossfire scopes as it is hard to justify the budget of at PST 4-16X FFP on my for shits and giggles .22lr.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigDaddyDMD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would love to see one. I am impressed with the vortex scopes and have been debating a PST 4-16X FFP for my .22, but am concerned about not being able to focus <50 yards. This would be a much better solution and hopefully more into the price point of the crossfire scopes as it is hard to justify the budget of at PST 4-16X FFP on my for shits and giggles .22lr. </div></div>

You could get a viper instead of a viper PST and save some $$$. But STILL the problem with fucos only down to 50 yards.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Rodney,

IMO, the "<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">biggest failure</span></span>" in the rifle scope industry is not including a parallax that focuses down to 10Y on every rifle scope that has some type of parallax adjustment on it. It all comes down to versatility. There are times we shooters need to see up closer with a rifle scope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Centerfires... I've shot more than a few stages at tactical matches that were less than 50Y. I hate
mad.gif
having to dial my FFP scopes down to the lowest power to see the intended target with any semblance of clarity.

Rimfires... I was shooting our first official local 22 match a couple weekends ago. Guess what? They had a stage at 15Y and 25Y. Same old sh!t.

Precision air rifle... Specifically Field Target Air Rifle or another purpose would be folks that want to train for centerfire in their backyard with the same scope that's on their centerfire. There are folks out there that would love a "decent" FFP scope with matching turrets/modern reticle that focuses to 10Y. Most of us are not going to spend $3000+ for a S&B or a March with 10Y parallax to have our cake and eat it too.

</div></div>

Hey Steve, Last Saturday at our PCPR match we shot down to 25 yards. Its a pain not to have to lower parallax for large caliber scopes.

And FYI- This Sat is our 1st .22 match in Price if you feel like driving up.
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#14
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Would be interested if they made a mil-mil, ffp,with second gen or half mil recitle and kept it under $400.
 
#16
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Although I expect I would buy two of them myself, I share the question implied by <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">DAFAR</span></span>;

How sustainable would sales be after the initial "glut"?

I could imply endless future sales, but if the manufacturer gets burned by empty promises, how long before they turn a deaf ear to consumer requests?
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snapcrack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what don't you like about the Mueller 8-32×44 Target Scope?
10 yards and side focus for under $250 </div></div>

1) That scope doesnt have a mil dot reticle.
2) Mueller doesnt have a 100% lifetime unconditional warranty like Vortex does.
3) the Mueller I looked at last week had very sloppy turrets.
4) They have 1/8" adjustments which just about cuts your total windage and elevation in half. (It has 40 MOA windage and elevation compared to the 75 MOA of adjustments the Crossfires have.)

I see mueller has the 8.5-25×44AO Tactical (the 184.00 price tag is nice but I'd rather pay a bit more for a better scope)

1) it doesnt have a side parallax (of all the features of a tactical scope this is the one Im least worried about but its still good to have in a tactical competition)
2) SAME as 2-4 above


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norcal Phoenix</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the specs but would want a FFP, I like keeping things consistent between all of my rifles. I </div></div>
Your gonna have a hard time finding a FFP scope in that price range. There are some features you just cant get in a less expensive scope.

 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scott E White</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Although I expect I would buy two of them myself, I share the question implied by <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">DAFAR</span></span>;

How sustainable would sales be after the initial "glut"?

I could imply endless future sales, but if the manufacturer gets burned by empty promises, how long before they turn a deaf ear to consumer requests? </div></div>

With a rise in the number of .22 competitions due to the rediculous increases in reloading supplies for centerfire competitors I'm hoping the demand would be there for what they need to produce the scope mentioned.
We used to only have long range comps around here and in the last hand full of months we now have two .22LR comps. Half of the guys I shoot with in the 1000yd matches also shoot these 22 matches and we usually have more total shooters at the 22 matches. They can be just as challenging at a very small fraction of the cost.
 
#22
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I'd be in for at least one, if not a few. I have been looking for a while for a scope exactly as you described in the opening post, to no avail.
 
#24
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I love Vortex Optics not only for the scopes, but also their CS more than anything. I snagged one of the 30mm 6-24x50 Mil-Dot models for $100 before they were officially replaced by their current line of scopes. I personally think it was a bad move on Vortex's part to eliminate this scope and others like it that appeal to the "tactical" crowd. I would prefer a 5-20 magnification range but all in all I love this scope considering the price I paid for it! It is very near perfect for a budget minded rimfire rifle/trainer.
 
#25
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I'd be down to get a 3rd vortex scope, but maybe in a 3-9 or 2.5-10. I don't need more than 14-16x for a 22.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terror!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love Vortex Optics not only for the scopes, but also their CS more than anything. I snagged one of the 30mm 6-24x50 Mil-Dot models for $100 before they were officially replaced by their current line of scopes. I personally think it was a bad move on Vortex's part to eliminate this scope and others like it that appeal to the "tactical" crowd. I would prefer a 5-20 magnification range but all in all I love this scope considering the price I paid for it! It is very near perfect for a budget minded rimfire rifle/trainer. </div></div>

Im with you brother! I got the same $99.00 deal and Im kicking myself for not ordering half a dozen of them. Thats what sparked this thread. Asking my Vortex rep why they dont make such a great scope in the Crossfire II line.

Im not interested in lesser brand scopes just because they have the same features (same features dont matter without the same quality) and a LIMITED Lifetime warranty compared to Vortex's 100% unconditional lifetime warranty. (theres a big difference)
 
#28
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

+1 on the BSA 4-14x44 at Midway. Mil-Mil, FFP, Side focus parallax down to 10 yards, and usually on sale for $250. It's really a decent scope for the money, with all the right features, pretty nice glass, and if it ever takes a shit, Midway will cover you. I am very pleased with the one on my rimfire rifle.
What other problems can I solve today?
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#29
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If they were to make it air rifle/piston rifle compatible (ie: reverse recoil) it would be kick a$$ at a decent price point. I couldn't give 2 shakes about the mil dot reticle, an MOA or IPHY option would be much better for in close work w/ a .22/17 stick. Dead toss up over 1/8 or 1/4 clicks, if it had the travel 1/8 would be preferred but that's asking a lot.

Cheers,

Doc
 
#30
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Just spent about that much on a Leapers for my TX200, and would have bought Vortex instead in a heartbeat if they had a comparable offering. And if they get hooked up with an air rifle distributor in Great Britain, they'll sell tons.

John
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hookturnr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know I'd be interested in one. Been looking lately and haven't really found anything for the purpose that wasn't more than i am willing to spend on a rimfire rig.. </div></div>

+1
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GotCox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can find all of what i asked for at a lesser price.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456482/...atte?cm_vc=S014


Lifetime warrenty, cheap price, mil-mil, ffp and great reviews. Sorry but if they want to compete with the industry and get me as a customer they had better step up. </div></div>

I've got one of those BSA FFP scopes (very similar to the 4-14 Falcon Menace for $100 less) on my Savage MkII and am completely satisfied.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocca</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, once again this isnt a post about what other brand scopes people may or may not like. Its a post to find out if theres enough interest in the scope in the original post.
Thanks for the posts pertaining to the subject. </div></div>

I thought the idea was:
Cheap
Decent Glass
FFP
MIL-MIL
Useful magnification for a .22
Oh, and a 30mm tube for plenty of elevation.
Good trainer scope for the FFP MIL/MIL scopes on my bigger rifles.

The Midway BSA fits all those cheaper than anything else by a good margin. If you want better glass, buy a Vortex or NF or whatever, but at that price, nothing else is even close.
 
#38
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Tell him they are already sold! All they have to do is make them. I am looking for a better scope all the time. Nobody makes a perfect scope. They all have one feature or another but not all.
 
#39
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6-24 (or even better yet, 8-32) mildot, large smartly marked 1/4" or mil turrets with "time past zero markings", side focus, lots of elevation, adjustable / focusable ocular lens ....30MM tube?

yeah i'd be in for one, and they'd most likely sell more than 300 a year...especially if under 300.00

toss in a sunshade and flip up lens covers and it's a no brainer.
 
#40
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IMO, Vortex should produce a rimfire line of scopes, not just one scope. Have 3-4 different mag ranges (2x7, 3x9, 4x16, 6x24) and the features mentioned by the OP. Forget the FFP all together. I don't think it will be that popular in the rimfire community. Maybe have the rimfire line have its own name, Vortex " ".
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2brothers641</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, Vortex should produce a rimfire line of scopes, not just one scope. Have 3-4 different mag ranges (2x7, 3x9, 4x16, 6x24) and the features mentioned by the OP. Forget the FFP all together. I don't think it will be that popular in the rimfire community. Maybe have the rimfire line have its own name, Vortex " ". </div></div>

The Crossfire II series are their rimfire line. Several choices . Just not the one this post is about any more.
 
#44
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I would be interested (depending on the price and magnification power) in one for sure, with the possibility to upgrade my other 4 rimfire rifles, so thats atleast 5 there.. possibly more.
 
#46
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[/quote]The Crossfire II series are their rimfire line. Several choices . Just not the one this post is about any more. [/quote]

Crossfire II series scopes that are not AO have a fixed parallax of 100 yds, hardly making it rimfire usable. Vortex needs a specific rimfire line. And, lets not have this line made in China.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rocca</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, the problem finding a good tactical rimfire scope is that if you get the higher magnifications to see very small targets at distance the scope doesnt focus down to less than 50 yards. The old crossfires had everything except a side parallax. Mine is 6-24x50 with mil dots and focus down to 10 yards. They just dont make them any more. The new crossfire II's dont come in a mil dot at all.

Hopefully we can get a lot of feedback on the forums Ive posted this on and get them to start making a good 22 scope again.

Thanks</div></div>

http://www.sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1201816362&cat_id=6&id=4

This might fill your bill. 100 moa elevation.Side focus 10-40 yards depending on model
 
#48
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I know I would be interested in one or two and so would my buddies I shoot with. I have a crossfire now with the 30 mm tube 6-24x and it's great. I'd build another 22 if they built another scope like this. The 300 a year would probably be cake for as many people get their kids or friends into shooting every year. Word spreads like wild fire and people would know what scope to go to.
 
#49
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2brothers641</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO, Vortex should produce a rimfire line of scopes, not just one scope. Maybe have the rimfire line have its own name, Vortex " ".</div></div>

"cross rimfire"
 
#50
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

You should consider posting this request on rimfire central too if you need a list of takers.

I would be impressed if you could get all you're asking for for under $300!
Did the rep say it was a real possibility or just a poke and hope?
 
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