Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

#51
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snapcrack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should consider posting this request on rimfire central too if you need a list of takers.

I would be impressed if you could get all you're asking for for under $300!
Did the rep say it was a real possibility or just a poke and hope? </div></div>

its on Rimfiecentral and a few other forums.

If theres enough demand. its a possibility. They made one almost just like it in the old crossfire series . They just didnt continue it in the crossfire II series for some reason.
 
#53
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wcb6092</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1201816362&cat_id=6&id=4

This might fill your bill. 100 moa elevation.Side focus 10-40 yards depending on model</div></div>
$800+ dollar scopes don't fit the bill of this thread... the idea is <$300
 
#55
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

If the viper focused down to 10 yds i would buy another one.

5-20 or 6-24, side focus down to 10, 30 mm tube, mildot with alot of elevation......im in!
 
#56
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Isn't the 5 - 15 vortex which midways was offering for $399 kind of already perfect for this? More mag might be nice but not if it has less travel and worse glass. I would happily pay another $200 for something which didn't seem flaky.
 
#57
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't the 5 - 15 vortex which midways was offering for $399 kind of already perfect for this? More mag might be nice but not if it has less travel and worse glass. I would happily pay another $200 for something which didn't seem flaky. </div></div>

It's a very nice scope, but it only focuses down to 50yds, which is not ideal for rimfire.
 
#59
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Depending on what it is I might buy one but I would have to have be mil/mil. FFP doesn't matter that much for a 22lr. My SS 5-20 HD only has settings down to 50 yards but I can look at things which are only a few feet way in my bed room and it still seems clear and parallax free...
 
#60
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depending on what it is I might buy one but I would have to have be mil/mil. FFP doesn't matter that much for a 22lr. My SS 5-20 HD only has settings down to 50 yards but I can look at things which are only a few feet way in my bed room and it still seems clear and parallax free... </div></div>

How close does the 5-20 adjust for paralax? Ive been searching this everywhere in vain.

I looked through my 3-15 NSX the other day and at max power it was only paralax free at maybe 27 yards or so.

In order to get about 15yard paralax i had to adjust it down to about 6x.

Im wondering what paralax is with the ss 5-20 at about 10x. If anyone knows please tell me. Thanks
 
#61
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I agree with previous posters that a higher magnification ~5-20x with repeatable target adjustments (1/8 or 1/4) is what I'm looking for. I do not need all the FFP, mil dot, mil adjustments, etc...

What I'm looking for is a scope just like the Leupold 6.5-20 EFR for < $300 ... is that asking too much?
 
#62
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Doesn't vortex already make one?

I can focus my viper HS 5-15 down to ten yards!

And the turrets are extremely nice!

I got mine on sale through midway for $400.
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#63
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

No FFP would be a deal breaker for me. It seems like most who have switched to FFP don't want to go back. I know I don't.
However, now I want a scope on my .22 trainer that is at least similar to what I have on my centerfire rifle (some sort of mil based reticle, matching turrets, and FFP).
I have been searching for a scope like this for a long time, and unless you want to run a fixed power, it looks like that Midway BSA or the Falcon Menace are the only FFP options under $500.
 
#66
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I would buy at least one, and probably more as I scope more .22s. I just went through a long search to find such a scope with quality glass. It was frustrating with the lack of choices.
 
#67
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

It sounds like there might be two market segments here. People who want a good general purpose 22 scope, and one for people who want a scope to help mimic their centerfire tactical rifle- hence the division on FFP and Mil-Dots.

I'd say that the BSA scope seems to fill the tacical crowds needs with Mil reticle, .1MIL adjustments and FFP. I'd say that if Vortex wants to bring out a scope, base it on the needs of the other group.

The other way Vortex could differentiate is by price. After putting a 40X action in an AICS, I'm willing to spend more then $250 for a tactical 22 scope. Since BSA sits at $250-350 price point, aim higher with a $450-550 scope with the same features but a better build quality.

I don't have any idea on the market size or the costs involved.
 
#68
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

If it comes with a FFP, EMD reticle and 1/4moa or 1/10mil clicks matched to the reticle I'll buy two just for the hell of it. But in the mean time if any of you don't mind a fixed power scope, Pyramyd air sells the Bug Buster series by leapers and they can focus down to 3 yards. They come in 4× and 6×.
 
#69
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

On my SS 5 - 20 the lowest setting is 50 yards. I have the model with illumination number 2217 is written on the side of the box it was part of the deal they ran last year. On the website it says 35 yards so maybe they updated it a bit since I got mine.

At 10x at 4 yards or so the glass looks slightly worse then a sight mark at 40 power at 100 yards which I looked through yesterday at the range. The image is much brighter but more fussy. At 5x at 4 yards the image is crystal clear but the reticle will become fussy from some viewing angles and is barely visible against a white back ground. Also I feel cross eyed after looking through the scope at 4 yards.

Not a great test considering the range and the fact that it is nighttime and I have florescent lights...
 
#72
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

2 reasons come to mind:

1. a more traditional or "standard" if you will reticle

2. alot of rimfire guys use the mil dots for holdovers.

yeah the EBR is slick, and actually quite fancy as it tends to incorporate many reticles into one, but the traditional mildot is a bit more simple and less cluttered IMO.
 
#73
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mavrick10_2000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why a mil-dot reticle when the ebr series is much easier to use? </div></div>
Ill give you reason #3

We want to keep the price down and an EBR reticle would cost a lot more I'm sure. Same with a FFP. Were wanting to keep the scope in the $300.00 or less range.

It doesnt matter if it costs the same or not for the manufacturer to put EBR over mil Dot. It would still cost the consumer more.

I would LOVE to have the EBR on a crossfire just like on my PST but not if its going to raise the price.
 
#78
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I know that you all are talkin some pretty high dollar scopes here. I'm a newbie on this forum, so, flame away on this if ya want..lol...but have any of you ever looked at the BSA Sweet 22 scope? It focuses down to 7.5 yards, comes with 3 turrets that are calibrated to the bullet weight, and for a .22 rifle...seems well suited to do the job. We are talking .22 here, not a .50 Cal. sniper gun at 1000+ yards. The price also is well below $100.00 and the optics are pretty clear...just sayin. a thought.
 
#79
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

evilvaquero you need to understand that there are a lot of us who are trying to push the lowly .22 rifle, (not nearly the sophistication of legendary 50 cal sniper rifle) to at least half of that infamous 1000 yrds.
 
#80
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Trouble with the Sweet 22 is the retical is so thick that at 50 yards and further the crosshairs cover the entire center ring. I would like to see a 6-24X50-56 scope with side focus and either a MilDot or TMR style retical. Not interested in FFP for this setup personally. Tactical style turrets and no Illumination..

Rick
 
#81
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: persistant7500</div><div class="ubbcode-body">evilvaquero you need to understand that there are a lot of us who are trying to push the lowly .22 rifle, (not nearly the sophistication of legendary 50 cal sniper rifle) to at least half of that infamous 1000 yrds. </div></div>

^^ what he said.

on the subject of FFP vs SFP, i think i'm leaning toward SFP for 22's. doubling & sometimes even quadrupling the subtensions could come in handy on a 22.
i have to dial my ss 5-20 all the way & hold 3 1/2 mils high to hit at 400! (it's FFP) it has a 15 moa base. i'll need a 40 moa base to dial out to 500 with the it. granted, i haven't done anything about the droop on my 10/22, but i don't think it has a bad case going right now. i still have 7 mils of travel the other way.
i think i can get that far with the HS 5-15 on the current 15 moa rail by dialing & reducing power, but i'll have to try it to see.

it seems to make more sense to use SFP to increase my effective range instead of trying to get a manufacturer to put 150 moa turrets in an affordable FFP package.
i'm also not likely to be trying for tiny little targets past 400 (a 10" brake rotor is hard enough!), so having a reticle that doesn't block out the target at full power seems better too.

long story short (too late), i'll be putting a SWFA fixed 10 mil/mil with side focus on it (assuming they have a similar range of adjustment to the classics) when they get here, but i'd happily buy a redo of the crossfire mentioned by the OP if it came with (my wish list is in <span style="font-weight: bold">bold</span>):

4x magnification range (6-24,<span style="font-weight: bold"> 5-20</span>, or even 4-16)- so i could max the subtensions for reedonkulous long shots. i want to be able to double it twice.
<span style="font-weight: bold">SFP</span>- for the same reason as the power range.
mildot reticle- actually i'd LOVE a <span style="font-weight: bold">mil-based XLR</span>, or EBR reticle, but those would likely put it out of the target price range.
<span style="font-weight: bold">good turrets</span>- ok, vortex seems to not make bad ones, but just sayin...
lots of <span style="font-weight: bold">adjustment range</span>- 75 is ok, but i'd like <span style="font-weight: bold">more</span>!
<span style="font-weight: bold">side focus/parallax</span>- and of course it has to go down to 25 if not <span style="font-weight: bold">10 yards</span>!
<span style="font-weight: bold">30mm tube</span>- but i could live with 1" if i had to.

tall order, but it's only adding a couple things really.

i'd buy 2, and i'm <span style="font-weight: bold">positive</span> i'd inspire a few extra sales when my buddies saw how well they worked...
 
#83
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

mueller APT is it....170 bucks. I have 3 Vortex's and they're great! but for my .22 i went Mueller....repeatable turrets, mil-dot reticle, 30 mm tube....It's great
Nimrod
 
#84
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Thanks for all the input from those interested itn the scope mentioned. Ive colected all the relevant posts and sent them to my vortex rep. not its just a matter of waiting to see what they do with it.

All they really have to do is start making the old crossfire 6-24 mil dot again. It has everything but the side parallax.
Well se what happens.
 
#85
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I've got one of those 6-24x50 crossfires with the mildot reticle, one inch tube, AO...Rocca if you or someone else is interested in it let me know. I just got a bushy 3-12 FFP that I will be putting on my 10/22 so this one needs a new home
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#88
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Vortex does make the Diamondback 4-12x40 which DOES have an adjustable objective that focuses down to 10yds and IS spring-ram tough with 60moa adjustment... $300 for the Ballistic Reticle AO model.

Now if Vortex could add a better reticle like the EBR or TMCQ then I would be happier and actually buy one or a few. If they add the fancier knobs and illuminated reticle I would be flattered. I am building a rimfire trainer now and have a few spring-ram airguns that will be a trainer for the rimfire trainer. Zeiss Conquest has a good reputation but the 10yd close focus and internal adjustment range sucks.

So... In the end the ideal scope would be a Viper PST modified with a adjustable objective for closer ranges... (75moa internal adjustment) Or perhaps a Viper PST with both side focus and an adjustable objective quasi dual purpose and do everything design? Or maybe the factory can add some length to the objective end to manually adjust the parallax of the lens locking rings for those of us with 10yd requirements? Side focus is nice but by no means would I call it a requirement, simple and durable would be paramount. (spring-ram airguns can tear up a scope quickly)

From talking to Scott@Vortex over a year ago about a scope idea, it seems that IF anything new is in the works then it will take a year before it hits the shelves...
 
#89
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nhm16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GotCox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can find all of what i asked for at a lesser price.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456482/...atte?cm_vc=S014


Lifetime warrenty, cheap price, mil-mil, ffp and great reviews. Sorry but if they want to compete with the industry and get me as a customer they had better step up. </div></div>

I've got one of those BSA FFP scopes (very similar to the 4-14 Falcon Menace for $100 less) on my Savage MkII and am completely satisfied. </div></div>

Sorry Rocca for straying a little from your intentions but I bought one of these Midway scopes last week and I have to say they are pretty darn good for the money.

It tracks, not too bad in the glass and controls plus it has 10y parallax/FFP/mil/mil.
 
#91
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sc0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now if Vortex could add a better reticle like the EBR or TMCQ then I would be happier and actually buy one or a few. If they add the fancier knobs and illuminated reticle I would be flattered. </div></div>

Yeah, that's the PST line LOL
 
#93
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

BTW: In the above quote was referring to the ability of a scope with those features AND be parallax adjustable down to 10 meters...

I have a PST on order 4-16x50. Other than the 10m parallax adjustment not happening and having a 50mm lense, it seems to fit the bill. Scott said the PST should hold up to a spring-ram airgun just fine, and due to the optical design it will not be very useable at a 10 meter parallax. (Come out with a parallax adapter accessory that goes in front of the objective lense, manually adjusted by locking rings by the user for any distance shorter than 50 yards?)
 
#94
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Id be in for couple
currently running NIKON Buckmaster with Side focus, 4-14 X 40
I like the 40mm
I like the Mildot

don't like the Focus less than 50yd.

I don't think it would need to be illuminated.
 
#95
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

i use a simmons hunting scope now, does well enough but i would jump at the chance to get a crossfire with 15-25yd focus and good mag. 4-16 would be fine, mil dot reticle. at or around $150
 
#96
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

Id pay $275 max for SFP, and $375 for FFP

LAST TIME I CHECKED votex didnt offer the VIP warranty for the lower models

Ps: id pay conciderably more for one that I could ALSO use on a 556 AND the 22lr / 17hmr
(i personally think that would justify a higher quality scope for a cheap 22, also expands yourr market / target consumers.( Vip warranty would be a must)

-LOYAL VORTEX CUSTOMER

 
#97
Re: Who wants a good rimfire tactical scope?

I'd be in for two. The reticle would have to be pretty fine. Size and weight would also be an issue; I'd prefer the scope size and weight to not dominate my rimfire rifle (My rimfire rifle weighs less than half what my .308 does). Also, I'd forgo FFP if it would keep the price down. In my opinion, a rimfire specific scope needs to be less than, say...$500.
 
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