They do make it in MIL, but is is not out yet. I would rather have a scope made someplace that was not Socialist.
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Rifle Scopes Who wants a New Vortex Razor Gen3 2-12x42 with EBR-9 reticle?
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If you read the questions submitted on the Steiner Product page, 3 people have asked about the mil reticle version and Steiner repeatedly tells them they must look at the T6Xi line for that. So I am not so sure there’s a mil version coming or Steiner‘s own people aren’t up to date on their new product announcements.
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For me, I have several rifles, a MK12 style AR, an 18” AR-10 and a 18” 308 bolt action. For all of these I would prefer something starting in the 2X range with up to 10x or more. I’ve tried 2.5-15x and found the FOV on the 2.5X to be on the fringe of acceptable. I tried 1-8x and found 8x to be poor resolution and magnification for longer shots and it had no parallax adj. so targets were fuzzy. Most of the 1-10 LPVO’s suffer significantly on the 10x end. I want a lightweight 2-10x or 2-12x that gives enough FOV for shots on the move inside 50 yds and 10x (or more) for longer engagements. I want parallax adjust, mil/mil in a scope that doesn’t add 2# in weight.
I think this is why the Nightforce NXS 2.5-10 has cult status. It fills this niche very nicely.
Many of us just want a 2024 version of that scope - lighter, 2-10x or 2-12x, parallax, rev counter, mil/mil, FFP, ILLUM and maybe most importantly, a reticle that works at both ends of magnification. Or an MPVO version of the Vortex G2-E 1-6, like a Razor Gen3 2-12x42. Steiner H6Xi might have something available later this year, we’ll see if the reticle is any good. Currently Athlon Helos BTR2 2-12x is kicking Vortex, Nightforce, Burris and Leupold’s asses.
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Ah right, the socialist state of Kolorado, yes, that is indeed the case sadly. I lived there for almost 30 years and watched it go from red to blue because of the influence of Denver and the peoples republic of Boulder. There are still plenty of good people in Colorado but when Polis and some of his billionaire buddies started building up tech businesses and shipping a bunch of leftist techies from California and New York it began to sway the vote. I still have family and friends in Colorado and it is a mess politically, at the state level the leftists have such a vast majority they can push anything they want down everyone's throats.Not made in Colorado........ I would buy from China before that.....
I had to look to make sure. I didnt even remember my nightforce 2.5-10 had adjustable parallax. It has a cult following because it's nightforce. No other reason. Nothing particularly outstanding about it. I kept some weavers that don't have adjustable parallax instead. Every knob and widget adds weight to a scope. The trijicon 2-10 has most of what you asked for.
No,parallax. Haven’t looked through one but have heard the 10x performance sucks. I’ll stick with my Credo 2.5-15 SFP for now. Also have a Swampfox KYLR 2-12 which is pretty impressive for the price. Waiting for the real deal to show up.
I seriously doubt the 10x performance sucks on the trijicon. It's the same design as the weavers and their 10x performance is better than the 2-10 razor.
I really doubt their 10x sucks compared to Chinese athlons and swapfoxs.
I really doubt their 10x sucks compared to Chinese athlons and swapfoxs.
Out of curiosity why did you give up on the TT315M, was it simply the large footprint you mentioned and wanted something more compact?
Why do you think so? Just because they have a history of "heavy" for the 4.5-27, 3-18 and now the 6-36 doesn't mean they couldn't make a lighter weight unit. Look at the RG3 1-10, I see an RG3 2-12 falling more in line with that weight category than I do in the 6-36 category. It's also interesting to note that Vortex still has no replacement for the 3-18, if it did not sell well it was purely because of the weight since optically it is quite a fantastic scope.
I think dms was referring to the Razor Gen3 line only, but I may be incorrect.
The large footprint, zero advantage to the few ounces shaved, and compromising on the reticle. I went Gen 2 mildot to be able to use it at 3x, where the Gen 2 XR is far better in my 5-25 than the 315P that came before it. I'm mixed on the Gen 3xr and didn't want Tremor. Hence why I feel (and note in the ZCO 2-10 threads) folks are way too wrapped up in specs. I was far happier with a 32oz 5-20US on my SPR than a 30oz ATACR or 27oz TT315M. At least I have the optics and balance back.
The pre-E Razor 1-6, and yes, the 4.5-27 and 3-18 are heavy-for-class. Admittedly I am not a fan of most Vortex optics, but I don't believe they can cut the weight without mechanical compromise given some of their materials. And this isn't merely a "Vortex can't", I really don't think anyone can really pull it off. Swaro could but would lack some features. Trijicon could but it would suck. S&B would probably come the closest if they stayed out of their own way.
I agree, balance can play a big role especially when dealing with shorter/lighter rigs. I think the S&B US 5-20 often gets overlooked for other higher mag options, I think the 5-20 is a better design optically vs. the 3-20. The US 5-20 with offset RDS makes for a very compelling duo on a DMR style rifle as well as crossover designs.
That may be why we have not seen a replacement for the 3-18, they may have tried but the optical compromises to get a lighter scope may have been too much which would require re-thinking internals to get the weight down. I don't think it's beyond the scope of the design team for the RG3 series, but it may show up in the Razor LHT line or even better the Razor AMG line.
Steiner just did with their H6Xi 2-12x42 at 23oz. March has the 1.5-15x42 at 24oz. So we already have some within the industry pushing this.
And it would be SFP sooooo...
Ouch. I think Trijicon already tried with their Credo 2-10x36, a lot of shooters like this scope but reticle was not designed for 2x use.
Unless there was a big military push for this not sure Schmidt even knows there's a market for this. The USA is the largest market for gas gun rifles and many manufacturers (outside the US) simply do not understand this market so they go after military contracts (both US and foreign) and military is usually behind anyway. Schmidt could likely get the scope right, they just would not get the reticle right, well, at least not for about 5 years at least.
I agree, balance can play a big role especially when dealing with shorter/lighter rigs. I think the S&B US 5-20 often gets overlooked for other higher mag options, I think the 5-20 is a better design optically vs. the 3-20. The US 5-20 with offset RDS makes for a very compelling duo on a DMR style rifle as well as crossover designs.
That may be why we have not seen a replacement for the 3-18, they may have tried but the optical compromises to get a lighter scope may have been too much which would require re-thinking internals to get the weight down. I don't think it's beyond the scope of the design team for the RG3 series, but it may show up in the Razor LHT line or even better the Razor AMG line.
Steiner just did with their H6Xi 2-12x42 at 23oz. March has the 1.5-15x42 at 24oz. So we already have some within the industry pushing this.
And it would be SFP sooooo...
Ouch. I think Trijicon already tried with their Credo 2-10x36, a lot of shooters like this scope but reticle was not designed for 2x use.
Unless there was a big military push for this not sure Schmidt even knows there's a market for this. The USA is the largest market for gas gun rifles and many manufacturers (outside the US) simply do not understand this market so they go after military contracts (both US and foreign) and military is usually behind anyway. Schmidt could likely get the scope right, they just would not get the reticle right, well, at least not for about 5 years at least.
The AMG line would make me more confident for the best all-round success of executing this optic.
The Steiner had my interest, but that one is MOA or possibly only, right....SO close...checks a lot of boxes...shows we're getting closer
The Credos....(sigh)....had they had that 2-10 in FFP and the 2.5-14x42 but SFP....scratching at greatness. They just have SUCH a mundane image and optical experience...makes me throw shade harder.
March... March optics remind me of an Evil Genie/Monkey Paw/Wishmaster movie where you get everything you wish for....but there's a horrible catch. I've not been behind the FFP 1.5-15, and even if its better than past entrants/models, they are my epitome of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
Must be a German thing with S&B, HK only reaching for those contracts and knowing comically little about the cutting-edge of anything. Agreed, their reticle philosophy makes me sad... I say this having shot every single LPVO variant they've commercially put out.
Steiner is coming out with mil/mil for the H6Xi this summer, I too have no interest in MOA.
I hear you on the other points and they are valid.
While I have my niche.... the internet often forgets there are others that spend a lot of time looking through a lot of different optics...and for a lot of different reasons.
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