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Who will pay for this?

Two officers fired back “and it was later learned the suspect was hit an undetermined number of times,” MSP said in a statement. Officers entered the house and found Rawls dead on the second floor, and the standoff was declared over at 3 a.m., Nov. 9.

The MSP statement doesn’t mention that, during the standoff, police rammed the home with an armored vehicle, WOOD reported.
I'm speechless.
 
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I think every goddamn cop that was there should have to put down their gun and pick up a fucking hammer and go to work, if they’re gonna act like little fuckin kids, they oughta get treated like little kids. But we all know that’s not gonna happen, either the taxpayers will have to foot the bill for these fuckin morons or the owners insurance, after which they’ll drop his ass like a bad habit.
 
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It wasn't those "retards'" house. It belongs to their landlord.

So yes, the city should pay.
No the “city” shouldn’t pay, the fuckin dipshits in charge of the operation should pay, either monetary or fucking sweat, are you the type if your kid stole something from the store you would just apologize and pay for said item, or would you beat your kids ass and offer up their free time to work off their fuck up.
 
No the “city” shouldn’t pay, the fuckin dipshits in charge of the operation should pay, either monetary or fucking sweat, are you the type if your kid stole something from the store you would just apologize and pay for said item, or would you beat your kids ass and offer up their free time to work off their fuck up.

The police are part of the city government. So yes, the city should pay.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?
 
Why should the taxpayers have to pay for these retards actions?
this right here, make the cops pay.

we need to end this immunity they have from justice simply because of a badge. In no way is this right and why cops should not have some of the military equipment they have.

If you are a cop and use 'us' vs 'them' or 'civillians' then you ARE the problem

ridiculous
 
The police are part of the city government. So yes, the city should pay.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?
I don’t think you’re quite grasping the concept of what I’m trying to say here. So try reading this slow, the fact that government agency’s and personnel have exactly zero accountability for their actions is bullshit, at the end of the day they are still human and should be treated as such. And you’re opinions are a little suspect anyways, cause you think the cattleman’s is a good steakhouse!
 
I agree the city should pay, but fuck that house. I'd tear a hundred down rather than one officer not make it home.

Frankly, if someone is shooting at me I could GAF about property. As long as there are no innocents light that mother fucker on fire for all I care.
Whatever it takes to get the perp into custody without anyone being hurt or killed. That house and all the junk in it can be replaced. Important things can't.
 
I agree the city should pay, but fuck that house. I'd tear a hundred down rather than one officer not make it home.

Frankly, if someone is shooting at me I could GAF about property. As long as there are no innocents light that mother fucker on fire for all I care.
Whatever it takes to get the perp into custody without anyone being hurt or killed. That house and all the junk in it can be replaced. Important things can't.
I sure hope most people do not feel that way about others property, especially in cases like this. If your approach was the norm then people would hate the cops even more.
 
What's worse, one house or one dead cop. You can second guess the decisions made under fire all you want (and maybe they should be, I don't know), but to me there is no equivalency between someone's private property and the life of an officer. There just isn't. That shit don't balance. How would you feel if your son was one of the officers? Would you want your son to risk his life for someone's rental property? Or, would you say, "Light that MFer up!". I know what I would say.

Haters gona hate.
 
What's worse, one house or one dead cop. You can second guess the decisions made under fire all you want (and maybe they should be, I don't know), but to me there is no equivalency between someone's private property and the life of an officer. There just isn't. That shit don't balance. How would you feel if your son was one of the officers? Would you want your son to risk his life for someone's rental property? Or, would you say, "Light that MFer up!". I know what I would say.

Haters gona hate.
There are a TON of ways to handle a situation like this without getting an office killed or trashing a house. What those cops did should NEVER be allowed to happen to private property unless there were ZERO options.

If it was my son he would not be stupid enough to do something to get shot in that scenario OR trash private property.

"Haters gonna hate" is a bullshit cop out comment. What you are proposing is tantamount to "own nothing and be happy" when the state can destroy property at will. If you cannot see the slippery slope that your comments are on then that is sad and very communistic.
 
I agree the city should pay, but fuck that house. I'd tear a hundred down rather than one officer not make it home.

Frankly, if someone is shooting at me I could GAF about property. As long as there are no innocents light that mother fucker on fire for all I care.
Whatever it takes to get the perp into custody without anyone being hurt or killed. That house and all the junk in it can be replaced. Important things can't.
NO one disputes that. The real question was who will pay? And was destroying the house really necessary or just done 'Because we could and could get away with it.'
 
What's worse, one house or one dead cop. You can second guess the decisions made under fire all you want (and maybe they should be, I don't know), but to me there is no equivalency between someone's private property and the life of an officer. There just isn't. That shit don't balance. How would you feel if your son was one of the officers? Would you want your son to risk his life for someone's rental property? Or, would you say, "Light that MFer up!". I know what I would say.

Haters gona hate.
Actually, Id say, lets just wait. He'll get hungry and tired soon enough. No need to destroy a multi hunderd thousand dollar house "Just because we want to."
 
I don't have enough information to make the statements that you are making. I don't know how it went down. Can it be criticized? What can't in the AFA? To me it isn't cause for outrage unless they did it maliciously and not to protect their guys. Maybe it was done stupidly. I couldn't say from that one article that seems to be short on details, and long on conclusions...
 
I don't have enough information to make the statements that you are making. I don't know how it went down. Can it be criticized? What can't in the AFA? To me it isn't cause for outrage unless they did it maliciously and not to protect their guys. Maybe it was done stupidly I couldn't say from that one article that seems to be short on details, and long on conclusions...
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out you dont need to destroy a house because of one guy. Jeez.
 
What's worse, one house or one dead cop. You can second guess the decisions made under fire all you want (and maybe they should be, I don't know), but to me there is no equivalency between someone's private property and the life of an officer. There just isn't. That shit don't balance. How would you feel if your son was one of the officers? Would you want your son to risk his life for someone's rental property? Or, would you say, "Light that MFer up!". I know what I would say.

Haters gona hate.
Without being there, and knowing time lines, Tac. Ops. could of probably been handled better.
Like I said tho, without being there, they could have smoked him out, or, something. Maybe waited him out a little longer. Don't know, article was pretty vague. But, just because your Johnny Law, I don't think you can just destroy shit, just to destroy shit. YMMV tho. IF you don't want your son/daughter to risk their lives, maybe they shouldn't be L.E., or in the Military?? Just say'n.
Mac
 
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Without being there, and knowing time lines, Tac. Ops. could of probably been handled better.
Like I said tho, without being there, they could have smoked him out, or, something. Maybe waited him out a little longer. Don't know, article was pretty vague. But, just because your Johnny Law, I don't think you can just destroy shit, just to destroy shit. YMMV tho. IF you don't want your son/daughter to risk their lives, maybe they shouldn't be L.E., or in the Military?? Just say'n.
Mac
 
It wasn't those "retards'" house. It belongs to their landlord.

So yes, the city should pay.

Municipal Immunity - (A new term I learned recently after city workers destroyed a portion of my property.)

Cities generally enjoy immunity from harms resulting from the exercise of "governmental functions". This applies to the normal functions of police and fire departments as well as sanitation and civil engineers.

As I understand this, you'd need to show they were behaving negligently to sue them individually, OR you can go after the city for their having established a policy or procedure wrongfully violates a civil right as a practice.
 
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Municipal Immunity - (A new term I learned recently after city workers destroyed a portion of my property.)

Cities generally enjoy immunity from harms resulting from the exercise of "governmental functions". This applies to the normal functions of police and fire departments as well as sanitation and civil engineers.

As I understand this, you'd need to show they were behaving negligently to sue them individually, OR you can go after the city for their having established a policy or procedure wrongfully violates a civil right as a practice.
I would argue that not exhausting all possible peaceful outcomes warrants negligence
 
Municipal Immunity - (A new term I learned recently after city workers destroyed a portion of my property.)

Cities generally enjoy immunity from harms resulting from the exercise of "governmental functions". This applies to the normal functions of police and fire departments as well as sanitation and civil engineers.

As I understand this, you'd need to show they were behaving negligently to sue them individually, OR you can go after the city for their having established a policy or procedure wrongfully violates a civil right as a practice.

Which is why I posted this almost as soon as this thread opened up
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Which is why I posted this almost as soon as this thread opened up
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Found it.

Relevant case:


Summary:
Shoplifter runs from cops into a random home and barricades himself inside. Police use armored vehicles to extricate the shoplifter and demolish the home in the process.

Court finds immunity for the City of Greenwood for damages.
Appeals finds the same.
10th Circuit concurs.
Supreme Court declines to review and allows the decision to stand as is.

The incident happened in 2015 but the Supreme Court decision to deny review is from June, 2020.

Result:
Police pursuit and attempted apprehension has no limits on the destruction involved to private property.


"We do not disagree that the defendants’ actions benefited the public. But as the Court explained in Mugler, when the state acts to preserve the “safety of the public,” the state “is not, and, consistent[] with the existence and safety of organized society, cannot be, burdened with the condition that the state must compensate [affected property owners] for pecuniary losses they may sustain” in the process. 123 U.S. at 669. Thus, “[a]s unfair as it may seem,” the Takings Clause simply “does not entitle all aggrieved owners to recompense.” AmeriSource Corp., 525 F.3d at 1152, 1154. "



As it stands now, until either this is further challenged in court or additional laws are passed, if someone goes pole vaulting through residential backyards, a police officer could chase him in a tank, destroying everything in its path just to catch him.
 

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This is just asinine. The suspect was barricaded in the house. So, turn of water and power and wait for him to come out would be way cheaper and less traumatic for the family, who lived in the house. What's a day, or two compared to a total rebuild, or recompense?
Apparently very little if its not your house.
 
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Found it.

Relevant case:


Summary:
Shoplifter runs from cops into a random home and barricades himself inside. Police use armored vehicles to extricate the shoplifter and demolish the home in the process.

Court finds immunity for the City of Greenwood for damages.
Appeals finds the same.
10th Circuit concurs.
Supreme Court declines to review and allows the decision to stand as is.

The incident happened in 2015 but the Supreme Court decision to deny review is from June, 2020.

Result:
Police pursuit and attempted apprehension has no limits on the destruction involved to private property.


"We do not disagree that the defendants’ actions benefited the public. But as the Court explained in Mugler, when the state acts to preserve the “safety of the public,” the state “is not, and, consistent[] with the existence and safety of organized society, cannot be, burdened with the condition that the state must compensate [affected property owners] for pecuniary losses they may sustain” in the process. 123 U.S. at 669. Thus, “[a]s unfair as it may seem,” the Takings Clause simply “does not entitle all aggrieved owners to recompense.” AmeriSource Corp., 525 F.3d at 1152, 1154. "



As it stands now, until either this is further challenged in court or additional laws are passed, if someone goes pole vaulting through residential backyards, a police officer could chase him in a tank, destroying everything in its path just to catch him.
that is so wrong on so many levels. I swear, I will not be surprised if a group forms to start targeting these cops, judges etc. at some point, people will have had enough.
 
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