Rifle Scopes Why all the Leupold bashing? What am I missing?

#51
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okie, I don't think this scope is junk, I actually shot a couple of the best groups at 200 yards I have done with any rifle. I was just expecting more for $1200.
 
#52
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for $1200, i expect a HOT girl to give me a happy ending and a scope.
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then it wouldn't be so bad.
 
#56
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LukeUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea our department states that we pretty much shouldn't shoot anything over 200 unless it's life or death. We can usually stalk up to anything with 100 if not closer </div></div>
I can't believe this wasn't jumped on right after you posted it; any shooting is to prevent someone else from behaving in a way that puts the officer, or an innocent third person, in imminent fear of serious bodily injury or death. ALL shootings are supposed to be life or death situations.
 
#57
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LukeUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every state department, city department, sher office's, marshall's officer, etc etc etc very so much from town to town. I'm not even going to going into it. MY department states I can only wear department issued. YOUR department my let you do whatever you want. </div></div>
It's silly to think that insurance isn't going to cover you if you've been shot for wearing a non-departmental vest, especially if it's a step up in protection level.
 
#58
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I got a Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36mm MR/T M1 Illuminated TMR Reticle on my XCR .223. Get great groups and a lot of fun at 200yards hittn a small gong 10 outta 10 (I like hearing the gong...bong) Its been good to me so far. Only complaint is the illumination dial doesn't "click" solidly enough when switching to the off position.
 
#59
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I have a couple comments regarding LEO. I demand quality and I am willing to pay for it. But I recognize value and don't take a shafting well! I am also quite patriotic. But what is "American made?" I needed some glass and went to a dealer and looked at the many offerings including LEO. I was willing to pay $1,200.00+ and can say the clarity of the LEO's was a joke! I purchased a NF NXS sight unseen and it is fantastic! I am going to buy another. I recently went to Academy looking for a quality spotting scope. Their "best" was a LEO for about $550.00 again the clarity was piss poor. If you focused the subject in the center and moved it to either edge it was out of focus. I was fed up with their crap and purchased a Kowa from Scott at Liberty and I am totally happy with the scope which was Scott's recommendation and his service!. In my experience the LEO is nothing like it used to be!
Legdoc
 
#61
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LukeUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they are so horrible why does the US Army and almost every law enforcment department use them? </div></div>

LEO uses Leupold because everyone else uses Leupold in the LE world.

I showed some of them a NF F1 back in Sept and all of them liked it. But the first response is, its to much $$$.

Next, the military uses them because, they want to. It has nothing to do with whats best, it has everything to do with "well, we have used it for the last 20yds why change now"????

Also alot of people assume the people selecting equipment for the .mil know equipment, thats not always true.

John </div></div>
I know ODA uses the LRT but they also use the Nightforce NXS.
 
#62
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Legdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a couple comments regarding LEO. I demand quality and I am willing to pay for it. But I recognize value and don't take a shafting well! I am also quite patriotic. But what is "American made?" I needed some glass and went to a dealer and looked at the many offerings including LEO. I was willing to pay $1,200.00+ and can say the clarity of the LEO's was a joke! I purchased a NF NXS sight unseen and it is fantastic! I am going to buy another. I recently went to Academy looking for a quality spotting scope. Their "best" was a LEO for about $550.00 again the clarity was piss poor. If you focused the subject in the center and moved it to either edge it was out of focus. I was fed up with their crap and purchased a Kowa from Scott at Liberty and I am totally happy with the scope which was Scott's recommendation and his service!. In my experience the LEO is nothing like it used to be!
Legdoc </div></div>

Dont blame you for choosing NF, excellent optics and proven. I guess though, you need to educate all the long time competitors all across the country that are and have been, wining matches with Leupold optics. Just imagine what all these no nothings could do if they just knew they were using a scope who's "clarity was piss poor". Like I said...... laughable.

okie
 
#63
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dude, not dogin' you, but you do know that LEO is an abreviation for Law Enforcement Officer and not Leupold, right? </div></div>

Seriously............its obvious what he is talkin about (Leupold). Are you that bored that you have to single out that small of an error. Leupold has many different nicknames. So what if it isnt yours. grow up
 
#64
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I have had at least 20 Leupolds over the years with just a few minor problems. Overall, I have enjoyed good service from the scopes. But Leupold quality on the new stuff does seem to be slipping and the prices are outrageous.

I have sold most of my Leupolds since 2005, not due to quality problems, but due to business ethics. A few years back, I had 5 Premier/Leupold scopes: three bumped BR scopes and two Gen II tacticals. When Leupold decided to part ways with Premier after Dick's death and would no longer supply parts to Premier for service and support of the modified scopes, I was left with five orphans. None had broken but when they do, then what? I still have one on my BR rifle but sold the other four at a big loss. Bad taste for Leupold.

Then, I bought two S&B scopes in support of Premier, and now they and S&B part company. I sold those two but later traded for a SB 5-25 from my friend Legman but still don't like the idea of having to return a scope to Germany for service when needed. My S&B is not an orphan but it is a stepchild.

What is left? USO seems to be a fine scope but I just can't seem to warm up to them. I am now buying NF and hope they maintain support in country. I have 16 rifles with only two open sights leaving 14 needing optics. There is something to be said for the one gun man.

Rifles are my one passion in life. I don't like hassle or being taken for granted as a customer. I'm done with Leupold.
 
#65
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I had a Mark 4 3.5-10 x 40mm. Out of the box, my reticle was canted but I was told it was "acceptable". Terrible tracking issues with elevation turret. Repaired & sold. Good riddance. You won't see another Leupold on my rifles.
 
#66
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I look at it this way. I have a Leupy MKIV M1 from 1994. I have looked at the latest glass of the MKIV preset day and ask myself...Why does my 1994 glass look so much better, especially in low light!
 
#67
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Does anyone know where I may be able to get one of the older/better leupold mark 4's? Is there anything specific, like markings, that will tell me the older from the newer ones. I was set on getting the 3.5-10x40 TMR, but this thread threw me off.
 
#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LukeUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yea, but only the "rich kids" can afford S&B, USO, etc. Doubt many real operators can afford that</div></div>
THis is a little off topic but, I put firearms into two catorgies plinker or serious firearms. Luke, I wouldnt say that, it is what you are willing to do to get what you considered the best. I am a student that goes full time 18+ hours a semester and only work part time at very poor paying job. For all my serious firearms I only use what I consider the best, just seems that I do not get to do alot of other thing in life but I know I can stake my life on those firearms. That is worth it to me.
 
#70
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Leupold still makes a good product and has excellent service if you happen to have a problem. That being said, I agree they are behind the times and there are much better products available. Also what they did to Premier was kind of a dick move since they had a long standing relationship, but it also prevents finger pointing when service issues do arise.

The outsourcing of components is inevitable as we have become a "paper" nation and lost the majority of our manufacturing base.
 
#71
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Most here have covered it, leupold is no longer worthy of the reputation they once earned many years ago, and probably haven't been since the 80's. There are better options both optically, and durability wise in the same price range.

I have a 20+ year old 2.5-8 VIII scope that's a great scope, been on my only deer rifle since then, never failed, but it doesn't get turned or adjusted much. It's been beaten on every year since hunting at least once a year, never failed.

I was outfitting a new rifle the other day for a buddy, wanted something light but adjustable so we picked up a 4.5-14x40 Leupold with the CDS knob. Elevation adjustable quickly and only 13 ounces with good power range, seemed like a great setup. Glass is about on par with my 2.5-8x which frankly is not that impressive, over 25 years you'd think they could improve coatings/optics etc. for a similar price, most other companies have.

The killer was after I mounted it as I do with all new scopes I ran several cycles through the knobs from max/min. On about the 4th trip for the CDS elevation knob you could feel it got very gritty and felt like it had a half click in between normal clicks and/or some grinding in there. Not sure if turning chewed something up or there was metal shards etc. in there to begin with. Just not acceptable for a $650 scope. I've seen and heard too many similar problems with leupold lately. It was replaced with a 3-9x42 multizero kahles for less money, same weight, that not only spanks it optically but actually survived having the turrets turned! My VIII 3.5-10 tactical has been in twice. Both times with parallax problems, leupold took care of it no charge, no questions, but it doesn't inspire confidence.

Does leupold turn them around fast....yep couple weeks, do they have great service, sure they do. Problem is you have to use it way too often.

Kahles, Meopta, Zeiss, Nikon, Super Sniper, etc., are all making products now that are at least as good optically and durability wise, most of them better, and at the same price and in most cases cheaper. If it was not for leupold's hard earned but no longer accurate reputation they'd be in big trouble. They already are in the tactical world, most shops around here won't even carry Mark 4 scopes anymore they have all gone to nightforce.
 
#72
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Winning competitions with brand X scope means absolute dick about that scope. I can take that same shooter winning that competition and put him behind brand Y scope and he will still win. It's about the shooter not the scope.
 
#73
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If there is a list of companies one can, and cannot bash; please point me in the right direction? </div></div>

Interesting question. Leupold certainly seams more fair game than other companies.
 
#74
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I have one Leupold left and it's an older make of the LR/T 3.5-10x40.....it still tracks well and no problems yet so until I find fault it stays but every other scope I own is S&B, USO or NF because they blow Leupold out of the water in pretty much every way except price but hey, you get what you pay for I guess....
 
#75
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winning competitions with brand X scope means absolute dick about that scope. I can take that same shooter winning that competition and put him behind brand Y scope and he will still win. It's about the shooter not the scope. </div></div>

I suspect those that are winning may have a slight clue as to what scopes work for them.
 
#76
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winning competitions with brand X scope means absolute dick about that scope. I can take that same shooter winning that competition and put him behind brand Y scope and he will still win. It's about the shooter not the scope. </div></div>

I suspect those that are winning may have a slight clue as to what scopes work for them. </div></div>

I suspect many that are winning also have sponsors.
 
#77
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winning competitions with brand X scope means absolute dick about that scope. I can take that same shooter winning that competition and put him behind brand Y scope and he will still win. It's about the shooter not the scope. </div></div>

I suspect those that are winning may have a slight clue as to what scopes work for them. </div></div>

I suspect many that are winning also have sponsors. </div></div>
I suspect many that are losing also have sponsors!
 
#78
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winning competitions with brand X scope means absolute dick about that scope. I can take that same shooter winning that competition and put him behind brand Y scope and he will still win. It's about the shooter not the scope. </div></div>

I suspect those that are winning may have a slight clue as to what scopes work for them. </div></div>

I suspect many that are winning also have sponsors. </div></div>
I suspect many that are losing also have sponsors! </div></div>

Someone has already said it better up above though, in the end the guys that are winning are winning on skill. The sponsors are really just for advertisement, which Leupold probably spends more on than any other scope company. Obviously no one is winning because of Leupold, but I'm sure many are winning in spite of using Leupold.
 
#79
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You can't judge a product on how it does in competitions unless it does not sponsor any shooters.

In any shooting sport the top shooters are so good they can pick up about anything and shoot competitive scores with it. I know a national level archer that can pick up any bow, in a 4" draw length range and shoot competitive scores with it, they are machines. They shoot for whoever pays them the most and gives them the most product, period. I've seen and been involved in the process, it's never about the equipment and it's quality, it's always about the $, be it free product, entry or travel fees paid or purse money.

I used to shoot all-american in trap shooting, and I made a lot of money betting people I could kick their ass with THEIR own bottom end hunting shotguns cold with no practice after they would make some snide comment about that it was the gun I was shooting not me. I loved it, shut people up real quick. A 14 year old kid picks up their shotgun and proceeds to kick their ass with it with ease.

On top of that, in every shooting sport I've been involved in at a top level the guns, bows, scopes etc. the top competitors are getting are not the same stuff you are buying in the store. They are hand picked, custom fitted, highly tested, and usually not identical to their production level equivalent even if they look the same. The top shooter bows, are not the bows you can buy, they might look like them, might be painted like them but they aren't. They are hand picked, fitted, tested etc. Some companies even have separate rooms where competitors can pick out their limbs/risers/etc. to be perfectly matched and tested. Much more-so than the stuff that makes it to dealers.

Believe the advertising all you want, you can't buy lance armstrong's bike from trek, you can buy one painted like it, but it ain't anywhere near the same.
 
#81
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When PR reports the equipment lists they do not report whether or not the scope has been boosted, had its turrets fixed for use un an externally adjustable mount, etc.......

Leupy's fixed power competition scopes are very good and repeatable scopes, and I wish their MK4 LR/T's were as good as their 6.5-20 EFR's......

Look how long it took Leupy to go FFP. Why haven't they offered a LR/T scope with matching turrets/rreticle? Why do they have an unacceptable spec for "acceptable" reticle cant?

Is my 16X MK4 a good scope? Yes.
Would I pay what they want for a Variable MK4 ER/T or LR/T? No.
 
#82
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When PR reports the equipment lists they do not report whether or not the scope has been boosted, had its turrets fixed for use un an externally adjustable mount, etc.......

Leupy's fixed power competition scopes are very good and repeatable scopes, and I wish their MK4 LR/T's were as good as their 6.5-20 EFR's......

Look how long it took Leupy to go FFP. Why haven't they offered a LR/T scope with matching turrets/rreticle? Why do they have an unacceptable spec for "acceptable" reticle cant?

Is my 16X MK4 a good scope? Yes.
Would I pay what they want for a Variable MK4 ER/T or LR/T? No.
</div></div>

FFP is a relatively new in its acceptance in the US market.I'm not saying LP isn't dropping the ball but I believe they have a new model coming with those features.I'm not a leupold cheerleader or any brand for that matter it's just a tool.I suspect for every other brand of higher end scope sold ( S&B,PH,NF etc) LP sells 100. For the most part people more often post problems so LP comes up more often.
IMO the only scopes LP ever made that are up to a mil/tac application are the 10/16x fixed mk4s.The variable ones are just vari x 3s rebaged which was a bad thing for them to do.
I imagine the 2k plus tactical scope market is relatively small in the big picture. It may just be they feel it is a niche not worth getting into or is already saturated.I also agree if they did make something along the lines of a 4-14x40 ffp mil/bdc that passed muster and held the price around $12-1300 they could quickly reestablish their place in the tactical rifle market.
 
#83
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The entirety of the tactical market is very small compared to the amount of general purpose/hunting scopes Leupy sells in a year.
If they would do a FFP with matching reticle/adjustments and max power in the 20X range under $1500 it would be a hit.

I agree about the fixed 10X/16X being the only true tac/mil scopes that has Leupy has.
 
#84
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While looking to upgrade my current optic, I put hands on a Leupold Mk4 and was really surprised with how 'mushy' the knobs on it felt. That alone was enough to steer me away from Leupold's product line. I have significantly higher expectations from a scope in that price range.
 
#85
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I have a handful of Leupolds myself and like them myself(Im far from shooting competition with them though)I have everything from Riflemans to VariXIIIs, to be honest I cant afford much more than a Leupold.
 
#86
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Most Leupolds are not junk in the sense of a NcStar is junk, but neither is Leupold an Alpha level scope. There are many, better choices for tactical users. Leupold sells a ton of scopes to hunters. Their customer service division is so good because they get a lot of practice. At every price point Leupold is being challenged by Vortex, Sightron, Bushnell, and Burris to name a few. Those scopes cost less than a comparable Leupold, they have better glass and fewer problems.
 
#87
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I have several leupold hunting scopes that have served me well. I have switched to Swarovski Z6's wich are far better, But also alot more costly. I did get to look through a new VX7-L and it seemed to have really good glass. Do not know about the knobs never played with them. Also that scope retailed for $2000.
 
#88
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A lot of competitors use win and rem brass and win. When you ask them why its usually related to cost not quality. I suspect the same for leupold. Also a lot of weaver scopes.

Equipment is nice and may enhance an already exceptional marksman but certainly doesn't make one.
 
#89
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I suspect quite a few shooters from this board are using the Super Snipers from SWFA. Far from being a top-shelf scope price-wise, it reportedly has great glass, and repeatable adjustments.
 
#90
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most Leupolds are not junk in the sense of a NcStar is junk, but neither is Leupold an Alpha level scope. There are many, better choices for tactical users. Leupold sells a ton of scopes to hunters. Their customer service division is so good because they get a lot of practice. At every price point Leupold is being challenged by Vortex, Sightron, Bushnell, and Burris to name a few. Those scopes cost less than a comparable Leupold, they have better glass and fewer problems. </div></div>
There is one scope manufacturer that you favor that has more returns per units produced! Some probably consider them "Alpha" level!
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#91
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most Leupolds are not junk in the sense of a NcStar is junk, but neither is Leupold an Alpha level scope. There are many, better choices for tactical users. Leupold sells a ton of scopes to hunters. Their customer service division is so good because they get a lot of practice. At every price point Leupold is being challenged by Vortex, Sightron, Bushnell, and Burris to name a few. Those scopes cost less than a comparable Leupold, they have better glass and fewer problems. </div></div>
There is one scope manufacturer that you favor that has more returns per units produced! Some probably consider them "Alpha" level!
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</div></div> Please share on what scope? you made the comment but left out the most important part.
 
#94
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What!? I can buy a leupold and buy me skills!?

They suck, move on. Even there new line of scopes comming out look weak. </div></div>


What a f_____g joke this thread has turned into. The very people who are so adimately promoting the use of only high priced optics are the very ones saying equipment makes no difference. You CAN NOT win matches against pros with bad equipment, dont care how talented you are. There is no one that dominant in this sport. If you think there is, your just plain ignorant on the subject. I'm not a Leupold only person. I own one MK4 and it has performed flawlessly for me and I am not easy on it. I have Nikons and Burrises too, they perform great. Wish I had a USO too. That said, if you really think a scopes performance in competion and throughout the shooting sports all across this country and beyond are no indication of its quality then what can I say except that it makes everything else you say on the subject.......ah.....to be pc....questionable. Damn I wish I could stay out of these kind of threads, I'm always afraid I'll be infected by all the stupidity.

okie
 
#95
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For those who might be interested I can say that in F Class shooting at the top end of the sport there is to the best of my knowledge no one in your USA team for both Open and F/TR using a Leupold.

By far the majority of your team use the NF Benchrest model 12-42 x 56...the main reason being the 1/8th clicks for elevation...the importance of this is to track the bull from 9-3 o'clock and what may be suprising to some is that your team do not click for windage after doing their sighters but aim off on the basis that the magnification gives them the ability to do so pricisely...and that no matter how good the scope there is always a risk that a single click or even two don't engage and then when clicked again you can get the full value of both...

However the notion that good shooters will do well with a poor scope is not true...especially if the problems are poor tracking on elevation where precision is needed and turrets are clicked for...especially when moving back to different ranges...

That is probably even more so when doing sniper comps which I also do where you do not get "sighters" except at the beginning of the day..

I think it is also quite true to say that nearly all the top shooters I know in sniping comps don't use Leupold scopes with the majority being a mix of NF and S&B...

I cannot comment much personally though on Leupold scopes...I have only ever owned a Mk IV 16X and that was briefly...I sold it and bought a NF 8-32 x 56 Mil Dot as the Zoom facility was far more advantageous...it was not anything more than that...the Leupold I had did track and was optically good for daylight comps...but for night time dusk shooting on sniper comps the NF again was much better...

I have'nt tried other scopes in their range...without being unduly critical...they are not really what I would consider as competition to the other scopes out there...

However...there are faults in all the good makes...I have had a March Scope stick from new on windage tracking...a whole number of NF's which have different "true" click values although once determined the click value is usually consistant...the same issue of different click values on Zeiss and on S&B...and a S&B which had clarity issues needing it to be sent back to the factory.

Nothing is perfect...I test my scopes carefully in a 100 yrd tunnel range and you would be suprised at how nearly all of them have problems. In particular having Mil Dot reticles which are not a Mil on the ranging setting is common...as are variations on the click movement at the top and bottom of the tube...clarity in the glass is only a small part of the story in picking a scope...

The best scope for me which impressed me the most is a friends new March Illuminated Tactical Reticle/Tactical Turret 10-60 x 50....I am waiting to sell some gear so I can afford one...funds are tight at present...but I think his tracking and reticle distance spacing was the best I have seen from testing it. Typically it is a new model and often when new models come out the Quality Control is at it's peak...my early NF 8-32 X 56 Mil Dot was the same...much better than my later versions...

However...if you have a Leupold which tracks reliably and works properly...hang on to it...I must have had 20 top end scopes or even more...and only 3 were spot on.
 
#97
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Peter,

I don't know enough to tell you your post was "spot on", but, I do believe you. I wanted to thank you for the post. I learned more from your one post than I've learned from whole threads.

Thank You.
 
#100
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Double snap on that article....ouch. Leupolds are priced about the same as NF.....they aren't in the same ballpark reliability and quality-wise. There probably would not be much bashing if they price their top scopes well below $1k where they belong.
 
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Help on first build- Origin, TL3, Kelbly, CDG, or Solus?
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