Why are you taking this personal? Nobody started a thread bashing guys that own Savage rifles. Nobody started a thread calling YOU out. That would be more personal. This thread is an opinion thread like most are. The OP got the answers he was looking for. The poster above me said he would reccommend tikka and not a custom. In my previous thread i basically did that. I even gave a couple good reasons why guys buy Savage rifles and even stated that I understand them.
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Why do people seem down on Savage rifles?
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why is he taking this personal??? when you knock the rifle aren't you knocking the person that's shooting it??????
let me throw you a curve ball here. savages are accurate rifles i didnt here anyone say they weren't on he contrary its all i heard was how accurate they are. that being said why dont more people shoot them and contact savage and say hey...... if you fix this or that your rifles would be the best. but what is really funny is why are all the other manufacturers bulding their rifles like savage does????? just look at rugers RPR barrel nut and all, floating bolt head, adjustable trigger. anyway if savage fixed their problems why would anyone spend $4000.00 on a custom gun??????
let me throw you a curve ball here. savages are accurate rifles i didnt here anyone say they weren't on he contrary its all i heard was how accurate they are. that being said why dont more people shoot them and contact savage and say hey...... if you fix this or that your rifles would be the best. but what is really funny is why are all the other manufacturers bulding their rifles like savage does????? just look at rugers RPR barrel nut and all, floating bolt head, adjustable trigger. anyway if savage fixed their problems why would anyone spend $4000.00 on a custom gun??????
No, not really.
My buddies all have bored out Ford's or Cummins swapped whatever and they give me shit all the time about my Baja bug.
I know it makes 60hp. I know I'm putting lipstick on a pig rebuilding the motor to break 100hp... I know I could get more performance for the same money with a Jeep or something else... but it also gets where I need to go and I like the stupid little thing. Just because it works for me doesn't mean it's stupid to get something else or spend more or less money. Just don't fool yourself into thinking something is what it isn't.
My buddies all have bored out Ford's or Cummins swapped whatever and they give me shit all the time about my Baja bug.
I know it makes 60hp. I know I'm putting lipstick on a pig rebuilding the motor to break 100hp... I know I could get more performance for the same money with a Jeep or something else... but it also gets where I need to go and I like the stupid little thing. Just because it works for me doesn't mean it's stupid to get something else or spend more or less money. Just don't fool yourself into thinking something is what it isn't.
Because the barrel nut, floating bolt head, adjustable trigger arent the inherent fucking problem. Its the not getting cases out of your chamber that most seem to take issue with. I dont see anyone copying the savage extractor, do you?
And they spend the money on those expensive goodies so that they dont have to deal with the shit not working. The big question is why would anyone ever spend $2000.00 on a savage?
Allow me a moment to put my foot in my mouth lol
My new question is, how come the bighorn can get it right but savage cant?
You are completely missing the point. Sure those are decent features, and other companies incorporate that feature while making a better and more rleiable product.
The fact of the matter is, there are better and more reliable budget options than Savage. Tikka and Howa being two that have been consistently brought up throughout this thread. You get what you pay for - and that's why Savage produces some of the cheapest rifles around. To be that cheap, the manufacturer has to make compromises on QA/QC, materials and designs, etc. With Savage it shows. Their formula works for them, as they are targeting the budget minded folks who don't have the same stringent requirements in their rifles as the general populace of SH does.
You are letting confirmation bias get in the way of objectivity.
I will say, the bighorn extractors appear to be much more refined and contoured to the shape of the case head, perhaps why there aren't any known reliability issues with them. More complex machining no doubt.
Having said that, and as I mentioned earlier: my savage never has had a failure to extract, and I shoot a lot more than 25 rds a year.
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Because they go for $1100? (ducks . . . ) Seriously, I bought my 110 Stealth in 338 Lapua last November for $1110.79, NIB, from a dealer . . . Would I have paid $2K? No, but for what I paid, I'm quite happy with it so far . . .
Honestly, I have not heard of the extraction/chamber problems since the original 110BA - the Stealth and subsequent Stealth Evolution are not the same barrel . . . and not sure that the haters recognize that . . .
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I just came across this thread. I own a Savage and it is exactly what you can expect from low budget rifle. It’s going up for consignment as we speak.I threw a Mcree Precision chassis and PTG bolt on it. I was still wanting more when it was said and done. Does it shoot sub moa? Hell yeah, but that just maybe me the shooter!! In all seriousness, you will get a switch barrel action with a rough and sloppy bolt throw. It will shoot if you do your part.
Every time this comes up the savage haters come out, beating there chests, never fails.
You say you got to be kidding me?? You have basically told this guy your dumb if you waste your money on a savage.
Isn't that what your saying??? I've never had a problem with mine so I'm wondering why your saying that I don't feel I've wasted my money. I've been shooting long range and reloading before a lot of you were even born. I typically shot between 50-80,000 rounds a year between matches and hunting and spending time working with reloads at the bench. Started reloading when I was twelve never looked back. Been doing this for 40+ years
You say you got to be kidding me?? You have basically told this guy your dumb if you waste your money on a savage.
Isn't that what your saying??? I've never had a problem with mine so I'm wondering why your saying that I don't feel I've wasted my money. I've been shooting long range and reloading before a lot of you were even born. I typically shot between 50-80,000 rounds a year between matches and hunting and spending time working with reloads at the bench. Started reloading when I was twelve never looked back. Been doing this for 40+ years
To have been shooting over 50,000 rounds/yr for more years than most have been alive and to have never had a problem with a savage or almost anything for that matter is a little hard to believe ...
With your luck, you should be buying as many lottery tickets as possible.
You spend $30,000 plus a year on ammo, thousands of dollars on barrels, work full time behind a reloading bench, and have another fulltime job shooting on average 1250 rounds a week, and still have time to post crap on here. Bull. Im calling Bull. That was personal.
Holy inferiority complex. We're just trying to give him suggestions as to the best way to spend his hard-earned money. It's not that deep.
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personal i never mentioned you or your name real or on here, seems to me your the one with a complex. on top of all this your proving my point.
i can smell the bull all over you WHEW!!!!!!! LOL
i can smell the bull all over you WHEW!!!!!!! LOL
Just a point, don't flame me. Do you think the number of Savage failures is a relative number in comparison to custom guns based on sheer numbers produced?
Does the #Savage failures/#Savage rifles produced = #Custom failures/#Customs produced ?
Just curious of thoughts on this
Does the #Savage failures/#Savage rifles produced = #Custom failures/#Customs produced ?
Just curious of thoughts on this
Of course by shear numbers if you make more the odds are that you will have more repair items. That goes for any mass produced items.
I've spent a lifetime shooting and have enjoyed every minute doing it. I have 6 reloading presses, 30 rifles, not all the same type, 2 shooting benches and I live where I can walk out to my back yard and shoot 100 yards all day long.
Do I shoot as much as I use to?? No but I still shoot a lot. After playing football all thru to college and spending 6 years in the service of my country in the army it caught up with me. So after 3 major surgeries on my neck and 3 major surgeries on my back the doctors told me I was done working so now I can shoot more than I was. I can't shoot certain positions anymore but I can still shoot and that makes me happy because it's something I love to do and no matter what else I've done I have always stuck with shooting. So to those just starting get what ever rifle you want, learn to shoot it, learn to become one with it and you will see the magic happen before your eyes. Who knows maybe you'll get to spend a lifetime shooting too.
Do I shoot as much as I use to?? No but I still shoot a lot. After playing football all thru to college and spending 6 years in the service of my country in the army it caught up with me. So after 3 major surgeries on my neck and 3 major surgeries on my back the doctors told me I was done working so now I can shoot more than I was. I can't shoot certain positions anymore but I can still shoot and that makes me happy because it's something I love to do and no matter what else I've done I have always stuck with shooting. So to those just starting get what ever rifle you want, learn to shoot it, learn to become one with it and you will see the magic happen before your eyes. Who knows maybe you'll get to spend a lifetime shooting too.
"You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear."
Hey guys sorry for the spammy post but we have a couple closeout blem Savage bottom bolt release stocks as part of our labor day sale, $300. The bottom bolt release is discontinued and was around $750 retail.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qb-MYf6TqET8rat7ExVwShqHjSpkZ5RhRYlIZDx1u8U/edit#gid=0
That is a link to the chassis list for the sale to see if they're available. Then email us at [email protected] for the purchase link.
Thanks fellas,
Justin
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qb-MYf6TqET8rat7ExVwShqHjSpkZ5RhRYlIZDx1u8U/edit#gid=0
That is a link to the chassis list for the sale to see if they're available. Then email us at [email protected] for the purchase link.
Thanks fellas,
Justin
I have a Savage 12FV and the only issue I've had with it is that I did have to mess around with my extractor to make sure it actually pulled cases all the way out so they could be ejected (from the factory it would leave the spent case sitting on top of the magazine about 2-5% of the time instead of ejecting it).
There's nothing inherently wrong with a Savage action, just that their extractor design is such that when you reach the edges of the tolerances specced out on them they start to malfunction. I clearly got an extractor that was an edge case for tolerances, and so have others, and the people who've never had issues got an extractor that was manufactured almost perfectly to spec. The most likely difference between the Bighorn and Savage extractors is just that the Bighorn ones are consistently made exactly as Bighorn wants them, and the Savage extractors are mass produced with more variation from extractor to extractor.
I would happily buy another 12FV if they run a sale to get one for $240 after MIR again, it's a great beater gun that's cheap enough to not feel bad about but still shoots great. That said, I'd never drop $2,000 on a Savage action rifle. If I had a strict $2,000 budget for a rifle (sans optics) I'd be building one from a Bighorn Origin instead of a Savage, since that way you'd have CRF and a much smoother bolt cycle to boot. I'd even buy a factory Bergara in the $2,000 range over a Savage built rifle just because the action would be much more refined.
There's nothing inherently wrong with a Savage action, just that their extractor design is such that when you reach the edges of the tolerances specced out on them they start to malfunction. I clearly got an extractor that was an edge case for tolerances, and so have others, and the people who've never had issues got an extractor that was manufactured almost perfectly to spec. The most likely difference between the Bighorn and Savage extractors is just that the Bighorn ones are consistently made exactly as Bighorn wants them, and the Savage extractors are mass produced with more variation from extractor to extractor.
I would happily buy another 12FV if they run a sale to get one for $240 after MIR again, it's a great beater gun that's cheap enough to not feel bad about but still shoots great. That said, I'd never drop $2,000 on a Savage action rifle. If I had a strict $2,000 budget for a rifle (sans optics) I'd be building one from a Bighorn Origin instead of a Savage, since that way you'd have CRF and a much smoother bolt cycle to boot. I'd even buy a factory Bergara in the $2,000 range over a Savage built rifle just because the action would be much more refined.
50k+ a year. Unless you’re shooting a lot of carbine(which is irrelevant to the conversation), you are full of shit.
I bet you have a .270 that will shoot a mile too......
I mean, you can shoot a mile with a 6BR if you really want to. A .270 wouldn't be ideal for long range but it's definitely capable of making hits at a mile still.
With 130 grain Core lokts I heard you just hold over the shoulder out to 600. Or was it 1200? Quite an impressive caliber nonetheless.
Dthomas3523, i shot a lot of everything back in the day. mostly long range rifle to include long range black powder, both target (paper) and silhouette. back when we first tarted that there were no black powder loads to buy, you had to cast and make your own and it was fun shooting a 12 pound 1874 sharps to 1000 yards. so why you bring up a 270 win. ???? actually i don't own one.
why such vicious attacks you guys really hate people that don't shoot what you shoot, you must go thru a lot of finger nails hell i can here you chewing on them now!!!!!!
why such vicious attacks you guys really hate people that don't shoot what you shoot, you must go thru a lot of finger nails hell i can here you chewing on them now!!!!!!
RPR has a floating bolt head? Lol no. You shoot 50k+ rounds a year? Lol bullshit.
@sav338lapua, you are full of shit, and I’m dumber for having read what you have typed.
@sav338lapua, you are full of shit, and I’m dumber for having read what you have typed.
Then your claimed 50k+/year round count really has no point of being discussed unless you’re putting an obscene amount of rounds through a savage.
You sling enough lead downrange and anything will eventually hit.
I bring up .270 (it’s a great hunting round) because anytime I hear guys like you slinging their bullshit stories around, there always seems to be one about why people buy 6.5 creeds, they have a hunting rifle that’ll outshoot them all.
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What floating bolt head on RPR?
Guy claims to spend enough money for 50-80k rounds a year and is too poor to afford a custom gun.....
Dthomas3523, dont need to spend that kind of money when a savage does it for much less, read all the threads.
getting personal arent you???? oh and another thing about me, i dont own a single AR, sold theonly one i owned 10 years ago when i couldnt shoot sevice rifle high power anymore, to many neck surgeries. i only own AK's.
getting personal arent you???? oh and another thing about me, i dont own a single AR, sold theonly one i owned 10 years ago when i couldnt shoot sevice rifle high power anymore, to many neck surgeries. i only own AK's.
So what I'm hearing is you've probably been exposed to a little too much cosmoline then?
That or he's been drinking the jet fuel (for those that understand what I'm talking about)... 
see guys i told you mention savage and they come out like piss ants on spilled pop. i like jumping in on these threads cause they prove my point every time. no i save my jet fuel for you jarheads, why your breaths always smell like bad exhaust, LOL
no cosmoline mine are all new. you guys can keep your AR's the rifle that shits where it works hahahahahah. new you would make more sad comments about AK's
no cosmoline mine are all new. you guys can keep your AR's the rifle that shits where it works hahahahahah. new you would make more sad comments about AK's
My friend just bought a new savage 6.5. He took it to the range for first time last weekend. Said it shot well, but the empty cases would come out of the chamber and fall off into the action ocassionally.
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MarinePMI it needs redesigned period. if you have a pierced primer the gasses will drive the ejector into the spring and it smashes it, peening the hell out of the spring ruining it. for most owners that use their rifles a couple of times a year it never becomes an issue because they are to lazy to reload or they use factory ammo only. but for match shooters , well how many times have you blown a primer?? probably a few i know i have. a very simple design change would fix this. drilling a 2 diameter hole for the ejector so that when it bottoms out it cant smash the spring. i think i have 6 0r 7 ejector springs i have on hand. i think i can persuade savage to fix this as it is a real problem.
MarinePMI it needs redesigned period. if you have a pierced primer the gasses will drive the ejector into the spring and it smashes it, peening the hell out of the spring ruining it. for most owners that use their rifles a couple of times a year it never becomes an issue because they are to lazy to reload or they use factory ammo only. but for match shooters , well how many times have you blown a primer?? probably a few i know i have. a very simple design change would fix this. drilling a 2 diameter hole for the ejector so that when it bottoms out it cant smash the spring. i think i have 6 0r 7 ejector springs i have on hand. i think i can persuade savage to fix this as it is a real problem.
It happens even if you don't pierce primers. Just a poor ejector design, unfortunately. It's possible that a stronger spring might help it more reliably toss the brass out of the action.
Stock is a non-issue, Trigger a bit of an issue, Bolt can be fixed somewhat. Toss the nut and get a barrel timed at 12! (can"t do that with nuts)
I have way to many customs and 2 Savages, both with shouldered barrels timed. Longest shot I made is 2100 yards at an ELR match in
Wyo. witnessed! Better than most Custom actions at that stage. They have their shortcomings fer sure. But, Don't let anybody tell
you they can't shoot. They are full of shit! Then again, if you are trying to be top PMS shooter, Go custom.
I have way to many customs and 2 Savages, both with shouldered barrels timed. Longest shot I made is 2100 yards at an ELR match in
Wyo. witnessed! Better than most Custom actions at that stage. They have their shortcomings fer sure. But, Don't let anybody tell
you they can't shoot. They are full of shit! Then again, if you are trying to be top PMS shooter, Go custom.
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Oh I don't think anyone is saying that they're inaccurate.
Exactly... and no one has said they would be a bad choice for the Casual shooter or Hunter. What we've been saying all along is, for someone who does not currently own a Savage and is looking to purchase a rifle that may see use in PRS events, there are better options.
Sorry, I thought the OP said he ALREADY owned one. Free action vs How much for casual PMS , shooting steel, and Vermin?
I shoot the shit out my Salvages in practice, at steel, and Vermin. I Save the smooth ones for matches.
Plus, You can find pretty good deals on used Manners or McMillan stocks. Never broke an extractor either of mine btw.
I shoot the shit out my Salvages in practice, at steel, and Vermin. I Save the smooth ones for matches.
Plus, You can find pretty good deals on used Manners or McMillan stocks. Never broke an extractor either of mine btw.
Short answer is gear snobs, and their comments are rarely based on actual performance.
I have more rounds through Savages than anything else. In a factory rifle I’ll take them over Remington for accuracy and barrel quality every time. Plenty of people shoot their rifles in f class and do quite well.
I started in the brand for the self barreling. Lately I have moved to 700 and custom actions as barrel makers have increaaed profit options for them. Biggest weakness to me for the savage is not what most share. It is aftermarket triggers and real estate to install and bed a rear pillar.
I have more rounds through Savages than anything else. In a factory rifle I’ll take them over Remington for accuracy and barrel quality every time. Plenty of people shoot their rifles in f class and do quite well.
I started in the brand for the self barreling. Lately I have moved to 700 and custom actions as barrel makers have increaaed profit options for them. Biggest weakness to me for the savage is not what most share. It is aftermarket triggers and real estate to install and bed a rear pillar.
No one disagrees with that. Those of us who own and shoot Savages want to say that there *are* better options and they generally start at 2X the price. No one I know (who owns and shoots a Savage rifle) is claiming they are equal or better than a a rifle costing 2X as much.
This may have changed as current Savages have gone *way* up in price but I cannot speak to that. My message is that bang for the buck my Savage 10 in 6.5 CM (under $500) in a MDT chassis with cheap scope and other options is currently shooting just as well (better) than anything else at my Local Gun Club. No failures, no broken ejectors, no problems. At half the price of the guys shooting Bergaras and Tikas and a fraction of the price of AI and others.
Bang for the buck a beginner can do far worse tha to buy a Savage and build up as the first precision gun. Better options? Of course...no one disputes that. But not all of us are going to compete at a national level. We want to get our feet wet with a precision/accurate gun without spending shit loads of money and Savage fills that bill.
Again - no failures of any kind with my Savage and it shoots on par and taunts guys with a lot more experience and much more money invested at my local range. That it will not win a national competition matter jack shit to me or them. The Savage shoots and runs just fine. It is not competitive with a rifle/action costing 2X as much but we all should have learned long ago that one gets what one pays for - no free/cheap lunch.
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I haven't had time to read the entire rest of the thread, but I think some of the "broken extractor" comments are coming from my post. I have NEVER had an extractor BREAK as in one piece becomes multiple. They WEAR OUT as in the part that snaps over the rim changes size and shape over a few hundred cycles. At that point the gun will occasionally fail to send the empty cartridge out of the ejection port. For those who are serious match shooters, a few hundred rounds is not much shooting at all. Also, the distraction of dealing with feeding and ejection issues on the clock usually causes lost points. I determined the worn out extractors were the issue because after replacing the extractor, and nothing else, the gun would work like it should again...for a few hundred more rounds. Hopefully this clears up any confusion related to my profile post.
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