Sidearms & Scatterguns Why no single action?

[flyfisher117]

I was looking at a few local handgun shooting competitions, one was an NRA based even, another was just an action pistol course. Neither allowed single action pistols. I read in the NRA's official rules that they werent even allowed.

Why is this? I wanted to try shooting but only owning a Browning Hi-Power ruled me out.

 

[lash]

Re: Why no single action?

Just look into local clubs that hold IDPA or Steel Matches. Single action is allowed in these , it's just a different class. There's got to be someone who holds these matches around you. They are very popular and great fun besides. All while improving your skills and providing some friendly competition.

Are you sure that maybe they didn't get confused with how you asked the question?

Most of the action matches exclude single action revolvers, but not single action pistols (semi-autos). This is due to the nature of these matches. Check those rules again and make sure they didn't make that simple mistake.

 

[flyfisher117]

Re: Why no single action?

I am looking at two different ranges. One is just a little range in the middle of no where and all they have is a shoot that uses NRA rules. Here is what I got online via the NRA rule book

"Semi-Auto firearms must fire the first shot of every string in double action." and "The following firearm modifications are prohibited:
(a) Single action only firearms"

The other range, will allow me to shoot the steel matches but I cant compete in the USPSA "practical" shoots. I will be trying this steel shooting but my shooting speed and accuracy isnt quite ready for that. Im still a little slow to try the practical shooting but I still want to go watch and talk to people.

Im just curious why single action is not allowed, safety reasons?

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

Re: Why no single action?

Well, I'm not really certain about the matches you have attended or reviewed but NRA, USPSA (IPSC), IDPA all have "divisions" or "catagories" that differentiate between types of pistol actions, calibers, magazine capacity, sights, etc. I've never been to a match that hasn't allowed a SA division (open, CDP, Limited, etc.) I guess there could be a special "production" or "double action only" match but I'm wondering if the "rules" just weren't explained to you correctly?

 

[lash]

Re: Why no single action?

I think that you should call a Range Master at the club and talk to him. That just doesn't sound right.

By the way, Steel matches don't require advanced skills. I believe that they may be the most accessible matches for a person just getting into action shooting. I suggest you take your High Power and about 200 rounds and get yourself to a match. I'm willing to bet that you won't be disappointed. More likely, you'll be hooked.

At the least, you'll meet some good people who have similar interests as you.

Anytime a friend or acquaintance says that they just want to go watch a match, I strongly suggest that they come prepared to shoot. Even if you don't you will probably enjoy yourself, but the best way to do it is to jump right in...IMHO.

 

[flyfisher117]

Re: Why no single action?

Ill see if I can get in contact with him. I emailed him getting some information on a few pistol classes they offer but havent gotten a reply yet (1 week) So if he replys I will get a phone number from him.

 

[Miles2go]

Re: Why no single action?

Show up at the next match ready to rock, expecting to maybe not get to. You'll at least get your answers and meet the people. I'd bet you a silver nickel you'll find 50% or more of the shooters will offer you their own pistol to try.

 

[titandriver]

Re: Why no single action?

Hey noobie - anyone from either the Gem County Speedshooters (Emmett) or Idaho Society of Practical Shooters (Nampa) should be able to help you out. Both clubs shoot USPSA matches and I guarantee you that you'll be allowed to shoot your Hi-power in Limited (minor scoring) Open (minor scoring), or Limited 10 (minor scoring).

Go to USPSA.org and click on the club search button, then click on the state button, it will take you to all the clubs in Idaho and club contacts for each. Get in touch with 'em and get out there and shoot!!

 

[flyfisher117]

Re: Why no single action?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Miles2go</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Show up at the next match ready to rock, expecting to maybe not get to. You'll at least get your answers and meet the people. I'd bet you a silver nickel you'll find 50% or more of the shooters will offer you their own pistol to try.

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They even have guns you can "rent" as long as you give them prior notice. Also since Im a first timer, in a couple of the events they will let me use the ranges guns and if I remember right I dont have to pay the full fee. When time permits I will definitely be going and checking it all out.





When I get back to Boise ill have to go check out a few of the ranges, Im currently going to school up north.

 

[flyfisher117]

Re: Why no single action?

Thanks for the help all, I got a hold of the range master and he said that there are a couple of major shoots I can not compete in with a single action. Other than that I can compete in most of the smaller ones. Also got an invitation to a shoot this spring, If I bring the ammo they will have the gun/holster for me to use.

Hopefully my trap shooting season is over by then so I can go!

 

[Downzero]

Re: Why no single action?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the noobie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the help all, I got a hold of the range master and he said that there are a couple of major shoots I can not compete in with a single action. Other than that I can compete in most of the smaller ones. Also got an invitation to a shoot this spring, If I bring the ammo they will have the gun/holster for me to use.

Hopefully my trap shooting season is over by then so I can go! </div></div>

I have no idea what kind of shoots those would be. I compete almost exclusively with a single action pistol and I have shot matches in Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, and New Jersey that I can remember, there may be more.

I don't know where you got the idea that single action wasn't allowed, or what sport you're shooting, but I can't think of any pistol shooting sport that doesn't allow single action pistols.

 

[flyfisher117]

Re: Why no single action?

One or two were deicated to one gun only, I believe it was glocks and it was a shoot that this range does where only factory glocks can compete. The other one was similar to that it was just a shoot that this one range does and it only allows striker fire guns. By the sounds of it they were just shoots that they do for fun with a prize at the end. I dont remember exactly but I wasnt to bummed out plenty of other shoots for me.


I originally got the idea that I could not shoot because I did not see the Hi-Power listed in this list.

http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php

 

[Downzero]

Re: Why no single action?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the noobie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One or two were deicated to one gun only, I believe it was glocks and it was a shoot that this range does where only factory glocks can compete. The other one was similar to that it was just a shoot that this one range does and it only allows striker fire guns. By the sounds of it they were just shoots that they do for fun with a prize at the end. I dont remember exactly but I wasnt to bummed out plenty of other shoots for me.


I originally got the idea that I could not shoot because I did not see the Hi-Power listed in this list.

http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php
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Ahh. The Production list is for the Production Division. Single action pistols are not allowed in the Production Division (it was formed to make DA and striker-fired pistols competitive).

Single actions are encouraged and allowed in all divisions except Production (although I can't say I've ever seen a single action revolver shooter, probably not ideal). Your gun is legal in Limited, Limited-10, and/or Open.

I shoot single actions almost exclusively. If I shoot Production, which is extremely rare these days, I use a S&W M&P.

The Glock shoots are GSSF. I don't compete in that because I don't shoot Glocks, but that is a shooting sport that Glock created in order to increase interest in its own product, basically.

 

[ShortRangeSniper]

Re: Why no single action?

Wonder what the NRA says about Glocks, Kahr, Keltecs and M&Ps (and just about every other striker fired gun out there)? They are all <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">technicaly</span></span> DA.