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Woman killed by yorkie
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So, simple question:
Are pit bulls responsible for the vast majority of serious injuries and deaths caused by dogs, in America, yes or no?
Pit bull type dogs equate for 22% of bites. That entails bull dogs, French bull dogs, the many types of mastiff, cur dogs, corzo, dogo and "pitbulls" and in many places any unidentified dog. Number 2 mixed breeds 21%. Number 3 German Shepards 18% which is only one breed and below the french bull dog on the most popular dog breed list. Do pit bulls bite the most people? Clearly not as far as dog beeds go. There are several diffrent breeds of just pitbulls. Not counting all the breeds that are "pitbull type dogs."
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You didn't answer my simple question.
I dont care how many people are bitten by Yorkie poos, I'm talking about hospitalized or dead. Dogs that can't do any damage concern nobody. I also think your stats are completely fabricated, and I could destroy them easily, but let's stay on topic. The original question please.
Fatal Dog Attacks in the U.S. — Breeds, Statistics, & Studies
According to CDC data, there are an average of 43 fatal dog attacks each year in the United States, disproportionately affecting adults (~65%), followed by children (~25%) and infants (~10%). Since 2016, at least 82 different breeds and mixed breeds have been implicated in fatal attacks...
www.fataldogattacks.org
"According to CDC data, there are an average of 43 fatal dog attacks each year in the United States, disproportionately affecting adults (~65%), followed by children (~25%) and infants (~10%). Since 2016, at least 78 different breeds and mixed breeds have been implicated in fatal attacks, including Akitas, Boxers, Doberman Pinschers, German Shepherds, Great Danes, Huskies, Labrador Retrievers, Mastiffs, Rottweilers, and pitbull-types, among others. Scientific studies have determined that the leading causes of fatal dog attacks stem from preventable factors such as irresponsible ownership, neglect or abuse, failure to neuter dogs, and inadequate supervision of large or strong dogs around infants and children.
Contrary to unreliable information about breed-specific risk related to certain breeds, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and numerous scientific studies have determined that a dog's breed does not determine aggression, bite strength, or its propensity to bite. While every fatal dog attack is tragic, the majority of dog bite-related fatalities (DBRFs) are the result of human-controlled factors specific to the circumstances surrounding the incident.
Sources: CDC DBRF data | AVMA dog bite risk | Dog bite-related studies | Recent DBRF data"
Very cute you went to the cdc lulz. The outfit that force fed us the entire covid lie. The outfit with zero credibility due to their leftist ideology.Fatal Dog Attacks in the U.S. — Breeds, Statistics, & Studies
According to CDC data, there are an average of 43 fatal dog attacks each year in the United States, disproportionately affecting adults (~65%), followed by children (~25%) and infants (~10%). Since 2016, at least 82 different breeds and mixed breeds have been implicated in fatal attacks...
"According to CDC data, there are an average of 43 fatal dog attacks each year in the United States, disproportionately affecting adults (~65%), followed by children (~25%) and infants (~10%). Since 2016, at least 78 different breeds and mixed breeds have been implicated in fatal attacks, including Akitas, Boxers, Doberman Pinschers, German Shepherds, Great Danes, Huskies, Labrador Retrievers, Mastiffs, Rottweilers, and pitbull-types, among others. Scientific studies have determined that the leading causes of fatal dog attacks stem from preventable factors such as irresponsible ownership, neglect or abuse, failure to neuter dogs, and inadequate supervision of large or strong dogs around infants and children.
Contrary to unreliable information about breed-specific risk related to certain breeds, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and numerous scientific studies have determined that a dog's breed does not determine aggression, bite strength, or its propensity to bite. While every fatal dog attack is tragic, the majority of dog bite-related fatalities (DBRFs) are the result of human-controlled factors specific to the circumstances surrounding the incident.
Sources: CDC DBRF data | AVMA dog bite risk | Dog bite-related studies | Recent DBRF data"
Don't know how credible forbes is I googled "dog attacks by breed" their article popped up first. But I'm sure their statistics are "anecdotal" as well.
Dude what ever trips your trigger fill the house with "pitties". No one cares, but to sit there and claim pits are harmless or blameless is disingenuous at best. Yes all dogs can be aggressive, yes every breed has bitten someone, even chihuahuas. But the king of the hill is the "pittie".
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/
You're so full of shit. Here is what 30 seconds of searching the internet will show you.
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Some generalizations that I see on a frequent basis:
I see more aggression from little lap-shits than I do from the obvious pits (and pit mixes) that come into our clinic daily. Let us not confuse aggression with capability to injure...very different. I've gone so far as to put 'cat gloves' on and let a shit little Yorkie etc... maul my hands as I held it for a nail trim. You aren't doing that with a rottie.
The pit bull "breed" is so all over the map that you really don't know what you're getting as your average pet owner from a litter of puppies out of someone's back yard. Therefore aggression is all over the place too, and most owners won't know the full extent until the dog has matured. Some are still very close to the staffy, while others are much closer to a lab.
I don't know why, but 90% of the real shit dog owners have potentially dangerous dogs, and predominantly pit mixes and bullys. The only dogs that I've had to physically separate at our clinic were two pits...with the SAME OWNER...yep, she came in with 4 uncut adult male pits and two decided to fight in our lobby. Fortunately I still had just enough ass in me that I grabbed them up and held them apart. How I didn't get F-ed up is a blessing. No way a man is controlling 4 pits...let alone a woman. She's single by the way gents if you like inked and crazy (and stupid).
There's a whole lot more to nature than the nurture fans want to believe. There's a reason why labs aren't used as junkyard dogs etc... People breed and buy dogs for intended genetic outcomes. Unfortunately these days, people are focusing WAY too damn much on those physical attributes and are breeding some really jacked up mental ones. Lump in your bully breeds here. I really think that the number of neurotic dogs is on the rise. And when you get a dog bred for aggression with a neurotic issue - you have problems.
Not all pits and offshoots are bad, not all pit owners are bad. Many of them aren't worth a shit though. I work with quite a few that are wonderful dogs, but I'll never trust one well enough to own one.
I see more aggression from little lap-shits than I do from the obvious pits (and pit mixes) that come into our clinic daily. Let us not confuse aggression with capability to injure...very different. I've gone so far as to put 'cat gloves' on and let a shit little Yorkie etc... maul my hands as I held it for a nail trim. You aren't doing that with a rottie.
The pit bull "breed" is so all over the map that you really don't know what you're getting as your average pet owner from a litter of puppies out of someone's back yard. Therefore aggression is all over the place too, and most owners won't know the full extent until the dog has matured. Some are still very close to the staffy, while others are much closer to a lab.
I don't know why, but 90% of the real shit dog owners have potentially dangerous dogs, and predominantly pit mixes and bullys. The only dogs that I've had to physically separate at our clinic were two pits...with the SAME OWNER...yep, she came in with 4 uncut adult male pits and two decided to fight in our lobby. Fortunately I still had just enough ass in me that I grabbed them up and held them apart. How I didn't get F-ed up is a blessing. No way a man is controlling 4 pits...let alone a woman. She's single by the way gents if you like inked and crazy (and stupid).
There's a whole lot more to nature than the nurture fans want to believe. There's a reason why labs aren't used as junkyard dogs etc... People breed and buy dogs for intended genetic outcomes. Unfortunately these days, people are focusing WAY too damn much on those physical attributes and are breeding some really jacked up mental ones. Lump in your bully breeds here. I really think that the number of neurotic dogs is on the rise. And when you get a dog bred for aggression with a neurotic issue - you have problems.
Not all pits and offshoots are bad, not all pit owners are bad. Many of them aren't worth a shit though. I work with quite a few that are wonderful dogs, but I'll never trust one well enough to own one.
Did you know 97% of all statistics are made up, on the spot......by some internet cunt.
Ummm, That's not the CDC. The sources are noted at the bottom. CDC is one of the listed sources. BTW the CDC is a source for the forbes article you posted too.
The CDC has their own websight. They don't piggy back on others .org.
And the Forbes article lists bites by once again. "Pitbull type dogs" which includes many breeds of bulldog, terrier, mastiff, curr, or in many places any unidenfied dog.
I love my Pitty Mix,
She likes every human she meets.
And I'm old enough to remember when it was Dobermans that were the worst dogs before then it was German shepherds
She likes every human she meets.
And I'm old enough to remember when it was Dobermans that were the worst dogs before then it was German shepherds
Nobody is listing "unidentified dogs" as pits. That's a lie you delusional people tell each other. There is a category for mixed breeds and another for unidentified dogs. I will never understand why people like you are so willing to attempt to twist obvious facts to protect violent asshole dogs. They are violent and literally created to cause damage. Sure, some of them live their entire lives and never cause a problem, but the breed is responsible for more of the problem than any other breed by a landslide. I don't know who you think you're convincing with your lies, everyone reading this has seen the truth with their own eyes. This isn't even a realistic debate.Ummm, That's not the CDC. The sources are noted at the bottom. CDC is one of the listed sources. BTW the CDC is a source for the forbes article you posted too.
The CDC has their own websight. They don't piggy back on others .org.
And the Forbes article lists bites by once again. "Pitbull type dogs" which includes many breeds of bulldog, terrier, mastiff, curr, or in many places any unidenfied dog.
Find a picture of the last 100 dogs to cause dog bite related fatalities. Do you suppose we will see similarities in those pictures? Maybe the similarities will only go as far as showing 100 canines. Or perhaps the majority of the pictures will look like the exact same type of dog.
I don't want extra legislation. We have plenty of laws. I just want retards to quit trying to muddy the waters. Own one if you like, but Pit bulls are a shit breed in general.
I don't want extra legislation. We have plenty of laws. I just want retards to quit trying to muddy the waters. Own one if you like, but Pit bulls are a shit breed in general.
We could go in circles like this all day. But why? It's all there. Just read it again. The stats used to tell two opposite stories.
I really thought the stupidest part of what you said was about 5-15 year penalties for people who own certain animals and they bite. Who decides what is a pitbull type dog then?
And also Yes let's put more peopel in prison for longer. That is working out so well.
Another observation related to the "statistics" i see way more pitbulls in a 200 mile radius of where live than anything else. Number 2 German shepards. 3 is Huskies. 4 definitely mixed breeds falling into pitbull type. I would guess pit bull type dogs out number any single breed in my area 5 or 6 to 1.
I never suggested that pit bull ownership should lead to incarceration in the event of an attack. I literally said in the same paragraph that you should be allowed to own a sabertooth tiger as long as you are accountable for it. I would be opposed to any legislation specifically targeting pit bull owners, (mainly because as soon as your dog killed a kid, you'd swear it was a poodle mix). If you want to own a dangerous dog, that's great, you should just have to go to prison if it harms or kills someone, breed has nothing to do with it. It would eliminate 80% of pitbull ownership among decent folks who would be forced to admit that they wouldn't risk their liberty for one of those dogs. It probably wouldn't change the numbers much since they are the mascot for trailer trash and ghetto dwellers alike, which are basically the same thing. They are committing felonies regularly anyways, so it probably wouldn't change much.
I’m not adding my 2 cents but here is a website that seems pretty solid with a lot of info about dog bites.
www.dogsbite.org
Pit Bull Attacks - Victims of Dangerous Dog Attacks
Learn about victims of severe pit bull attacks and other dangerous dog breeds, dog bite victim injuries, fatality statistics and breed-specific pit bull laws.
www.dogsbite.org
Pretty good data there. Corndog won't let it slow him down on his way to pretending the real danger out there is those scary Labradors. The three he had bit everyone they came in contact with. So, he's a shitty dog owner who couldn't control his labs, and now he has pits. Should work out just fine..I’m not adding my 2 cents but here is a website that seems pretty solid with a lot of info about dog bites.
Pit Bull Attacks - Victims of Dangerous Dog Attacks
Learn about victims of severe pit bull attacks and other dangerous dog breeds, dog bite victim injuries, fatality statistics and breed-specific pit bull laws.
I think you might want to go read up what you actually wrote...
Perhaps you should actually go read what you wrote before you go trying to pretend you didn't want more government tyranny.
You said clearly that you WANTED people to be incarcerated (unless you want to argue that being in prison is somehow not incarcerated).
Your line kind of sounds a lot like what those that hate us owning firearms sound like...
Many of the same arguments and demands for penalties and such...
So we were laying out on the beach at Port Aransas and there was some guy playing and romping in the surf with his two dogs, a pitbull male and just an average looking medium size mutt.
The mutt was behaving like a normal dog playing in the waves while the pit was focused on biting it's owner's legs, lunging at him in the knee high waves. The more the owner tried to keep the dog away, the more aggressive the dog got and harder it came back. It was not comfortable to watch.
Just as with the girl with the pit in the vet clinic, when the guy came out of the waves someone asked "Did he bite you?" and the owner said "Yeah" and was bleeding profusely from a dog bite above his knee. Nobody was surprised as the pit was trying to bite him the whole time. I thought 'Good luck with going in the hospital with a flesh eating disease from that filthy, brown foaming water.' I don't understand why people subject themselves to that from those dogs. It must be the price they're willing to pay to own one of those turds.
The mutt was behaving like a normal dog playing in the waves while the pit was focused on biting it's owner's legs, lunging at him in the knee high waves. The more the owner tried to keep the dog away, the more aggressive the dog got and harder it came back. It was not comfortable to watch.
Just as with the girl with the pit in the vet clinic, when the guy came out of the waves someone asked "Did he bite you?" and the owner said "Yeah" and was bleeding profusely from a dog bite above his knee. Nobody was surprised as the pit was trying to bite him the whole time. I thought 'Good luck with going in the hospital with a flesh eating disease from that filthy, brown foaming water.' I don't understand why people subject themselves to that from those dogs. It must be the price they're willing to pay to own one of those turds.
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You should go read what I actually wrote. You made a post that pretends I said something I didn't, while telling me that I need to read what I wrote. It's like a tornado of shit and irony. I do think people should be incarcerated for the violence perpetrated by their pets. I haven't waffled on that. What corndog said was that I said that I wanted this penalty solely for pit bull owners. I never said that. I want it for all pet owners. You should be responsible for your aggressive pet, regardless of breed. I'm not sure how you misunderstood this.
I want accountability for people who decide to keep dangerous pets. I'm not interested in seeing them banned, or eliminated, I just want to see people penalized just like they committed the crimes themselves, so when they say dumb shit like: "pit bulls are misunderstood/ breed misidentification/ it's the owners etc.", they can put their freedom where their mouth is. If they don't want that level of responsibility, get a golden retriever.
Okay I get it now, you want extra government tyranny for as many people as you can, not just the owners of pit bull type dogs.
Fortunately there are enough other voices of reason to drown out people with ideas like yours.
Your kind of ideas are how we wind up moving from a free country to a tyrannical oppressive nightmare.
Many times folks who get injured by animals including pets, probably did something to deserve it. One of my dogs for example made it very clear to a young man who was tormenting his mate that such things would not be tolerated and he best stop now or else.
Folks get killed by horses and cows all the time, probably way more than by dogs, you going to go start throwing all the farmers and ranchers in prison?
Your blind hatred for pitbulls has made you willing to give up freedom.
Thanks for the strawman arguement, but it's really shallow. You want anarchy, we get it, you're clear on that point. You think society can police itself on all matters, all law enforcement is tyrannical, and all laws are bad. You are cop basher #1 on this forum. Your previous posts invalidate any thing you say in this matter. So, let me put this in a language you can appreciate:
If someone's violent dog attacked someone I cared about, I would kill the owner of that animal. But, since we have laws and police and penalties for exacting revenge in situations, even when it is justified, then having a law that holds people accountable is the only reasonable option.
The line about "many people probably deserve it" further invalidates any thing you type. Go tell that to the parents of babies killed by these shit dogs. Tell it to the families of the elderly who are attacked by groups of 3 or 4 pits while they are mowing their yards and killed. Go read some of the actual fatal accounts and get an education about the reality. In the mean time, stop pretending that I'm some bootlicker looking for new ways to strengthen government control, because nothing could be further from the truth.
Spewing the total stats is like saying young black males only commit 50% of the crime in America and saying it's no different than other races. (Hint, they are only 3% of the population)
This also ignores the FBI reporting most Hispanic criminals as white.
This also ignores the FBI reporting most Hispanic criminals as white.
Those same police and laws also protecting you from the further consequences of your intended actions.
If one of your relatives or friends got injured by someone's animal and you went and killed the owner, well by the same reasoning their family and friends might have a good reason to come kill you and your family.
This is kind of how it used to work and still does in some places in the world.
Hence we have laws to keep such things from going down.
But since you wanted to take this further and burnish your bootlicker credentials by saying I'm the #1 cop basher on the site (I thought I had a long way to go before I could equal some of the great luminaries of that genre), go look up how many people were actually killed in a dog attack in 2023. Then go look up how many people were killed by the police in 2023 Then we could argue about who you are most likely to be killed by...
What the bootlicker and uniform worshipers don't understand is that I'm not against having police or government or law and order. I probably understand better than many why we have to have them and how life is without them. But I am seriously against the unaccountability of uniform hangers for their actions and the government being unaccountable for their actions. I also probably understand the balance of freedom better than most and actually can see and point out how the "righteous folks" forged their own chains over and over again in the name of "making sure those folks we don't like get what's coming to them".
Calling you the forums #1 cop basher was hyperbole, but you're surely in the top 10. Let's get back on topic, did you come here to defend pit bulls from an unfair attack by people welding data and first hand accounts, or was it only to argue about my idea about legal consequences for people who own dangerous dogs?
I'm used to the standard hate on pit bulls, I don't really care about them specifically.
I also remember when it was Rottweilers and Dobermans that people were all up in arms about. I guess those dogs fell out of favour with the type that love to own unstable vicious dogs.
But I do care about when people want to have the government make more rules, more control, more restrictions and more penalties and more harsh consequences, since it pretty much never turns out as folks originally hoped. Such things are usually only ever applied to the "good folks".
Yup. If I can look at your bumper stickers and know there's a gun in the car, I can safely assume if you are a Jack Russell owner, your asshole can swallow a parking meter.
There is a guy down the street from me who has a pit bull and that thing is out of control. He lives right next to a walking trail and when people walk by he has to physically restrain the thing from trying to jump over the fence. He is actually a pretty nice guy and I talked to him one day about what might happen if it does get out and hurts someone (there are a lot kids that walk on that trail.) To his credit, he keeps it in the house all the time now, which sucks for him and the dog. I swear that things bark is about 150 decibels. I just never got the whole infatuation people have with aggressive dogs. Having to worry about them fucking up someone would sure seem to outweigh the potential for the dog to offer some type of protection you couldn't just do yourself.
I have been around a few lion hounds before that were nutty, and the scariest were some gigantic type of sheepdog the sheepherders would have in an area I used to hunt. They would chase the shit out of you if you got too close to the sheep, and they seemed to be more aggressive if you were riding a 4 wheeler. Those are purpose built dogs and have one job to do, but jesus they can be aggressive.
I have been around a few lion hounds before that were nutty, and the scariest were some gigantic type of sheepdog the sheepherders would have in an area I used to hunt. They would chase the shit out of you if you got too close to the sheep, and they seemed to be more aggressive if you were riding a 4 wheeler. Those are purpose built dogs and have one job to do, but jesus they can be aggressive.
They tend to be loud mouth assholes who have pissed off so many people, they know they have it coming. They'd rather let a kid get killed than get their sorry ass kicked as needed.
Dogs are bred for a reason, there is also a reason why people are particular about bloodlines when it comes to any working dog.
My problem is that people confuse a bull terrier for a pit bull terrier. They are not the same and do not have the same default disposition.
It's easy enough to tell, you just need to walk a kid into the room. I don't think anyone is confused in person. It's like the misidentification arguement, some dog will be built in a way that makes it very obvious that it is at least part shit bull, squat thick body, huge blocky head, small narrow eyes, huge jaws, and they will be aggressive as hell. The pit apologists will tell you that it's not fair to call that a pit when it eats a kid. Sure buddy, I'm sure it's the half collie that's causing the problem. When you see them, it's obvious.
I take my bull terrier for a walk and half the people give me weird looks and a vocal few let me know how irresponsible I am having a "pit bull".
Well then, you probably have a pit bull. Shoot it now and get something fluffy.
I will always say way too many pits are raised and bred by shit people resulting in this problem. No different than the neighbor's German shepherd that bit me over the fence while I was mowing my grass. The dumb fuck has an aggressive dog with 2 little kids around even though his brother was killed by a pit bull.
Why Breed Bans Affect You – American Kennel Club
Does your dog have almond shaped eyes? A heavy and muscular neck? A tail medium in length that tapers to a point? A smooth and short coat? A broad chest? I
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A bull terrier is a pitbul type dog. Here is how it's determined in many places. They just need to posses some number of the 8 characteristics.
Pitbulls are a trash breed, owned by trash people. The pitbull deniers and liars prove that.
I knew a scumbag growing up. He found his place in life when he became a hardcore biker and outlaw MC associate and hanger-on. Of course his breed of choice was a pitbull, which he kept chained in the yard behind his shack. One day his tattoo'd sewer mouthed ol' ladie's father came to town and visited.
The scumbag was showing him around the property and they stopped to pet the dog, who was wiggling and wagging his tail. As soon as that father got within petting range that pitbull launched off the ground and it's jaws slammed shut with a 'clomp within an inch of that old man's nose as it hit the end of the chain.
I later asked whatever happened to that dog, since none of his dogs ever reached old age and he said 'he killed himself' when he jumped over the fence still attached to the chain and hung himself. Of course it was the dog's choice and his own fault.
I knew a scumbag growing up. He found his place in life when he became a hardcore biker and outlaw MC associate and hanger-on. Of course his breed of choice was a pitbull, which he kept chained in the yard behind his shack. One day his tattoo'd sewer mouthed ol' ladie's father came to town and visited.
The scumbag was showing him around the property and they stopped to pet the dog, who was wiggling and wagging his tail. As soon as that father got within petting range that pitbull launched off the ground and it's jaws slammed shut with a 'clomp within an inch of that old man's nose as it hit the end of the chain.
I later asked whatever happened to that dog, since none of his dogs ever reached old age and he said 'he killed himself' when he jumped over the fence still attached to the chain and hung himself. Of course it was the dog's choice and his own fault.
This is entirely accurate.
From what I've seen, 90% of pitbull owners are wannabe gangbanger retards or actual gangbanger retards. A pitbull is an essential ghetto accessory, right up there with paisley bandanas and fake, iced out watches.
Pitbull owners also usually have shitty kids too, for what it's worth. So how much of the problem is due to the owner vs the nature of the breed?
Who knows and who cares. The one thing I can say with certainty is that we'd all be better off without the breed AND the owners.
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I'm old enough to remember Chow being the number one, then Doberman, Rottweiler, then Pit derivatives.
A German Shepard has been on the list too.
Asshole owners are just like asshole parents. The dog is what you make him.
A chihuahua is bar none the epitome of "white hot ball of canine terror"
https://theworldwatch.com/videos/16...o-near-death-as-people-thrown-stones-at-dogs/
Population control for a foreign invasive species with no natural predators.
Population control for a foreign invasive species with no natural predators.
For those that say "It's how you raise them", how exactly are the skinny methbilly and his pregnant girlfriend with nose and lip rings supposed to raise a dog differently thats been bred only to kill to not kill?
I don't buy the "how you raise them". Like that yuppie couple in tennesse where they had the dogs for 9 years and one day they went nuts and ate the two babies.
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