Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
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Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Black-X, I just got my short action DBM from Jeff on a Choate tatical stock and it sits low in the stern like your McM. Jeff also did a rem.l/a on a McM stock at the same time and it is a very good fit, just like the savage. They are both a solid fit and i will do business with Jeff again. If i had a camera i would send pics but i spend my $ on my toys. Best of luck. MM
Black-X, I just got my short action DBM from Jeff on a Choate tatical stock and it sits low in the stern like your McM. Jeff also did a rem.l/a on a McM stock at the same time and it is a very good fit, just like the savage. They are both a solid fit and i will do business with Jeff again. If i had a camera i would send pics but i spend my $ on my toys. Best of luck. MM
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would have preferred a simple phone call versus an internet bashing, but this is one of my first so far. I work harder than anyone around to make folks happy.
First and foremost, I'm here to help, and if anyone has trouble with my parts or installs, please get with me and I'll handle it.
The McMillan stocks are the hardest to inlet without chipping. Most folks dont worry over it too much, but I get why u may not like it. The edges can be smoothed over or chips filled like William Roscoe suggested. Thanks William for offering to fix his stuff
This is a NEW Savage Long action DBM. The Savage DBM systems are different than everything else. The Factory DBM runs parallel to the action, not flush fit like everything else(Angled DBM).
The DBM is designed to fit into a factory DBM inlet hole. I could have designed it like my Rem 700 LA DBM, but the guys with a factory DBM that want to upgrade would have to get a new stock. This is why they are like this.
The short action is the same. The Blind mag stocks are thicker in the belly to allow for magazine capacity, so the parts sit deeper into the stock. There is no way around it for a universal savage fit. IF upgrading stocks I always advise to buy a stock that's designed for Factory DBM.. its thinner.
Also, Black-X, this is the second one I have installed, I also told you this and that there would be a bit of a guinea pig factor.. in doing so I discounted your install 50%. You seemed ok with that. I was happy to do it.
Ill do what it takes to make you happy.. don't like it?. I'll buy u a new stock. Or ill buy the rifle from you if you don't want it, or build u a new rifle... Tell me how to make you happy and I'll do it.
Just call me next time, as I'm always here, and sometimes I get busy, I'll work with my customers to make them happy.
Jeff
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Jeff,
I tried to repeat myself in the thread to make sure it was known that I wasn't bashing you and really looking for opinions from Hide members. I've read numerous times that you do great work so I was reluctant to even ask if I was being too picky when I started the thread and originally omitted your name until there were requests and I had decided to deal with it on my own.
Don't get me wrong, I was very happy about the discount for the fitting (I understood that I was paying for stock inletting and you were going to do the fitting of the DBM for free) and I really appreciate that. I was dissapointed when I saw the chipping and raw material showing on the stock and again, was asking for opinions from Hide members.
If you want to do something about it I'll leave it up to you as I decided part way through this thread that I'll deal with it. I tell you what though, based on your reputation and as a gesture of good faith, shoot me a price for another DBM job on a .300wm Remington long action in another McMillan A-5 and when I can scrounge up the pennies I'll send it to you for another go at this if you think the job can be completed better next time. If you would rather not take it on, I'll understand that as well and no hard feelings.
Thanks,
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would have preferred a simple phone call versus an internet bashing, but this is one of my first so far. I work harder than anyone around to make folks happy.
First and foremost, I'm here to help, and if anyone has trouble with my parts or installs, please get with me and I'll handle it.
The McMillan stocks are the hardest to inlet without chipping. Most folks dont worry over it too much, but I get why u may not like it. The edges can be smoothed over or chips filled like William Roscoe suggested. Thanks William for offering to fix his stuff
This is a NEW Savage Long action DBM. The Savage DBM systems are different than everything else. The Factory DBM runs parallel to the action, not flush fit like everything else(Angled DBM).
The DBM is designed to fit into a factory DBM inlet hole. I could have designed it like my Rem 700 LA DBM, but the guys with a factory DBM that want to upgrade would have to get a new stock. This is why they are like this.
The short action is the same. The Blind mag stocks are thicker in the belly to allow for magazine capacity, so the parts sit deeper into the stock. There is no way around it for a universal savage fit. IF upgrading stocks I always advise to buy a stock that's designed for Factory DBM.. its thinner.
Also, Black-X, this is the second one I have installed, I also told you this and that there would be a bit of a guinea pig factor.. in doing so I discounted your install 50%. You seemed ok with that. I was happy to do it.
Ill do what it takes to make you happy.. don't like it?. I'll buy u a new stock. Or ill buy the rifle from you if you don't want it, or build u a new rifle... Tell me how to make you happy and I'll do it.
Just call me next time, as I'm always here, and sometimes I get busy, I'll work with my customers to make them happy.
Jeff
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Jeff,
I tried to repeat myself in the thread to make sure it was known that I wasn't bashing you and really looking for opinions from Hide members. I've read numerous times that you do great work so I was reluctant to even ask if I was being too picky when I started the thread and originally omitted your name until there were requests and I had decided to deal with it on my own.
Don't get me wrong, I was very happy about the discount for the fitting (I understood that I was paying for stock inletting and you were going to do the fitting of the DBM for free) and I really appreciate that. I was dissapointed when I saw the chipping and raw material showing on the stock and again, was asking for opinions from Hide members.
If you want to do something about it I'll leave it up to you as I decided part way through this thread that I'll deal with it. I tell you what though, based on your reputation and as a gesture of good faith, shoot me a price for another DBM job on a .300wm Remington long action in another McMillan A-5 and when I can scrounge up the pennies I'll send it to you for another go at this if you think the job can be completed better next time. If you would rather not take it on, I'll understand that as well and no hard feelings.
Thanks,
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><Black-X> Foot, check! Mouth, check! Insertion.....pending.... </div></div>
Did you actually read the posts in the thread or did you just look at the pictures and skim through? I paid for stock inletting, Jeff said he'd do the fitting for proper function for free since the DBM for the Savage long action was new (and in Jeff's word on the phone, I would get back a complete working rifle instead of me having to fit it). Disappointed with the chipping and seeking opinions on the inletting, yes. Bashing, no.
I asked for Hide members opinions on the inletting job and now my foot is in my mouth? Ok.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><Black-X> Foot, check! Mouth, check! Insertion.....pending.... </div></div>
Did you actually read the posts in the thread or did you just look at the pictures and skim through? I paid for stock inletting, Jeff said he'd do the fitting for proper function for free since the DBM for the Savage long action was new (and in Jeff's word on the phone, I would get back a complete working rifle instead of me having to fit it). Disappointed with the chipping and seeking opinions on the inletting, yes. Bashing, no.
I asked for Hide members opinions on the inletting job and now my foot is in my mouth? Ok.
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><Black-X> Foot, check! Mouth, check! Insertion.....pending.... </div></div>
Did you actually read the posts in the thread or did you just look at the pictures and skim through? I paid for stock inletting, Jeff said he'd do the fitting for proper function for free since the DBM for the Savage long action was new (and in Jeff's word on the phone, I would get back a complete working rifle instead of me having to fit it). Disappointed with the chipping and seeking opinions on the inletting, yes. Bashing, no.
I asked for Hide members opinions on the inletting job and now my foot is in my mouth? Ok.
-X </div></div>
When you post detailed pics and frame your post the way you did (e.g. no details about the discount, gunsmith's warnings, etc), you're basically just issuing a thinly veiled request for others to join you in being disappointed in the quality of the work.
You should have worked this out with the gunsmith before posting anything here. It's not like you're providing a public service about a safety hazard or a potentially dangerous firearm modification.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><Black-X> Foot, check! Mouth, check! Insertion.....pending.... </div></div>
Did you actually read the posts in the thread or did you just look at the pictures and skim through? I paid for stock inletting, Jeff said he'd do the fitting for proper function for free since the DBM for the Savage long action was new (and in Jeff's word on the phone, I would get back a complete working rifle instead of me having to fit it). Disappointed with the chipping and seeking opinions on the inletting, yes. Bashing, no.
I asked for Hide members opinions on the inletting job and now my foot is in my mouth? Ok.
-X </div></div>
When you post detailed pics and frame your post the way you did (e.g. no details about the discount, gunsmith's warnings, etc), you're basically just issuing a thinly veiled request for others to join you in being disappointed in the quality of the work.
You should have worked this out with the gunsmith before posting anything here. It's not like you're providing a public service about a safety hazard or a potentially dangerous firearm modification.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Jeff exact response I would have expected from you, fantastic I have 3 or your dbm kits and they are great and so is your service.
I hate when this shit happens!!! Always go to the smith before posting anything online, you obviously had pics of the item in question why not just send them in a nice polite email to the smith with your questions. You should always give the smith the chance to deal with the "so called problem" before putting anything online about it. He obviously would have been happy to remedy the situation, why not give hime the chance to.
Reputation in this industry is crucial so give the guy a chance for crying out loud he offered to buy your whole rifle back.
Again thank you Jeff for your great products and services. Your are an asset to this community and will continue to recieve my business.
scott
Jeff exact response I would have expected from you, fantastic I have 3 or your dbm kits and they are great and so is your service.
I hate when this shit happens!!! Always go to the smith before posting anything online, you obviously had pics of the item in question why not just send them in a nice polite email to the smith with your questions. You should always give the smith the chance to deal with the "so called problem" before putting anything online about it. He obviously would have been happy to remedy the situation, why not give hime the chance to.
Reputation in this industry is crucial so give the guy a chance for crying out loud he offered to buy your whole rifle back.
Again thank you Jeff for your great products and services. Your are an asset to this community and will continue to recieve my business.
scott
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><Black-X> Foot, check! Mouth, check! Insertion.....pending.... </div></div>
Did you actually read the posts in the thread or did you just look at the pictures and skim through? I paid for stock inletting, Jeff said he'd do the fitting for proper function for free since the DBM for the Savage long action was new (and in Jeff's word on the phone, I would get back a complete working rifle instead of me having to fit it). Disappointed with the chipping and seeking opinions on the inletting, yes. Bashing, no.
I asked for Hide members opinions on the inletting job and now my foot is in my mouth? Ok.
-X </div></div>
When you post detailed pics and frame your post the way you did (e.g. no details about the discount, gunsmith's warnings, etc), you're basically just issuing a thinly veiled request for others to join you in being disappointed in the quality of the work.
You should have worked this out with the gunsmith before posting anything here. It's not like you're providing a public service about a safety hazard or a potentially dangerous firearm modification. </div></div>
Funny how things can change so quick around here.
You know what, screw it I'm not worried what this post turns out to be then. I just found a new fact that I had planned to leave quiet but forget it, I'm getting pissed now that I'm somehow turning into the bad guy.
I called Jeff and explained this wasn't a bashing thread and he said he understood. I apologized for what it turned into and told him I'd take care of the chipping and stock fibers showing on my own. End of call. I go downstairs to take the action apart from the stock to color it in and <span style="font-weight: bold">the front pillar is gone, as in removed</span>. A second call to Jeff and he said he would make a new pillar and put it back in and pay me back for shipping. I'll get paid back but now I've got to box up the stock and ship it out again and be without for a week. Fine and dandy until your post vmpgsc, now I don't care. Paint away.
So now I am officially not happy with this whole fiasco and while appreciated, forget it I'll just get my local smith to reinstall the front pillar and touch up the stock. Jeff, if you want to send a new stock I'll send you my address.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><Black-X> Foot, check! Mouth, check! Insertion.....pending.... </div></div>
Did you actually read the posts in the thread or did you just look at the pictures and skim through? I paid for stock inletting, Jeff said he'd do the fitting for proper function for free since the DBM for the Savage long action was new (and in Jeff's word on the phone, I would get back a complete working rifle instead of me having to fit it). Disappointed with the chipping and seeking opinions on the inletting, yes. Bashing, no.
I asked for Hide members opinions on the inletting job and now my foot is in my mouth? Ok.
-X </div></div>
When you post detailed pics and frame your post the way you did (e.g. no details about the discount, gunsmith's warnings, etc), you're basically just issuing a thinly veiled request for others to join you in being disappointed in the quality of the work.
You should have worked this out with the gunsmith before posting anything here. It's not like you're providing a public service about a safety hazard or a potentially dangerous firearm modification. </div></div>
Funny how things can change so quick around here.
You know what, screw it I'm not worried what this post turns out to be then. I just found a new fact that I had planned to leave quiet but forget it, I'm getting pissed now that I'm somehow turning into the bad guy.
I called Jeff and explained this wasn't a bashing thread and he said he understood. I apologized for what it turned into and told him I'd take care of the chipping and stock fibers showing on my own. End of call. I go downstairs to take the action apart from the stock to color it in and <span style="font-weight: bold">the front pillar is gone, as in removed</span>. A second call to Jeff and he said he would make a new pillar and put it back in and pay me back for shipping. I'll get paid back but now I've got to box up the stock and ship it out again and be without for a week. Fine and dandy until your post vmpgsc, now I don't care. Paint away.
So now I am officially not happy with this whole fiasco and while appreciated, forget it I'll just get my local smith to reinstall the front pillar and touch up the stock. Jeff, if you want to send a new stock I'll send you my address.
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jeff exact response I would have expected from you, fantastic I have 3 or your dbm kits and they are great and so is your service.
I hate when this shit happens!!! Always go to the smith before posting anything online, you obviously had pics of the item in question why not just send them in a nice polite email to the smith with your questions. You should always give the smith the chance to deal with the "so called problem" before putting anything online about it. He obviously would have been happy to remedy the situation, why not give hime the chance to.
Reputation in this industry is crucial so give the guy a chance for crying out loud he offered to buy your whole rifle back.
Again thank you Jeff for your great products and services. Your are an asset to this community and will continue to recieve my business.
scott </div></div>
Go back and re-read my posts. I kept quiet about who did it until I decided to take care of the chipping on my own. I tried to take the high road and keep quiet about my missing front pillar and you guys want to make ME the bad guy. So be it.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jeff exact response I would have expected from you, fantastic I have 3 or your dbm kits and they are great and so is your service.
I hate when this shit happens!!! Always go to the smith before posting anything online, you obviously had pics of the item in question why not just send them in a nice polite email to the smith with your questions. You should always give the smith the chance to deal with the "so called problem" before putting anything online about it. He obviously would have been happy to remedy the situation, why not give hime the chance to.
Reputation in this industry is crucial so give the guy a chance for crying out loud he offered to buy your whole rifle back.
Again thank you Jeff for your great products and services. Your are an asset to this community and will continue to recieve my business.
scott </div></div>
Go back and re-read my posts. I kept quiet about who did it until I decided to take care of the chipping on my own. I tried to take the high road and keep quiet about my missing front pillar and you guys want to make ME the bad guy. So be it.
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
I had this same issue with the VBull bottom metal on my 10FP in a Stockade rifle stock. It is neither the smith nor the bottom metal's fault. It’s how the metal sits in the stock after it has been set up and timed to feed rounds correctly. My Savage looks the exact same way with the metal recessed into the stock considerably.
Frankly, I don't think I would be concerned in the cosmetics, as long as the rifle functions properly.
I had this same issue with the VBull bottom metal on my 10FP in a Stockade rifle stock. It is neither the smith nor the bottom metal's fault. It’s how the metal sits in the stock after it has been set up and timed to feed rounds correctly. My Savage looks the exact same way with the metal recessed into the stock considerably.
Frankly, I don't think I would be concerned in the cosmetics, as long as the rifle functions properly.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
You became the bad guy when you started this post.If you had any questions about the job the first move should be to the guy that did it. After given a chance to rectify the situation and it still is unsatisfactory then you post.
You can do a lot of damage to a mans buisiness with stuff like this and its not right if you dont give a chance to correct it first.
Dont take this as an attack it's not just an explanation.
You became the bad guy when you started this post.If you had any questions about the job the first move should be to the guy that did it. After given a chance to rectify the situation and it still is unsatisfactory then you post.
You can do a lot of damage to a mans buisiness with stuff like this and its not right if you dont give a chance to correct it first.
Dont take this as an attack it's not just an explanation.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Well I agree you should have talked to the smith. But in your defense, everyone jumped on the bandwagon and started cruising down the hill with you with all the unsatisfactory things that they saw wrong. Then soon as a name was dropped and the smith commented, everyone jumped off the wagon like it was bout to explode and started bashing you. now all the sudden your a scumbag for posting
Well I agree you should have talked to the smith. But in your defense, everyone jumped on the bandwagon and started cruising down the hill with you with all the unsatisfactory things that they saw wrong. Then soon as a name was dropped and the smith commented, everyone jumped off the wagon like it was bout to explode and started bashing you. now all the sudden your a scumbag for posting
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You became the bad guy when you started this post.If you had any questions about the job the first move should be to the guy that did it. After given a chance to rectify the situation and it still is unsatisfactory then you post.
You can do a lot of damage to a mans buisiness with stuff like this and its not right if you dont give a chance to correct it first.
Dont take this as an attack it's not just an explanation. </div></div>
Go back and look at the original post, this thread was started to ASK OPINIONS BEFORE I CALLED THE SMITH ON MONDAY. As a matter of fact, go read all of my posts on the first page and then come back.
If a new stock or rifle is offered to remedy this, let's see it. I didn't do anything wrong and I'm going to stand my ground on this one. I decided on my own to deal with the chipped inletting this morning. However now I find out I'm also missing the front pillar in my stock. Talk is cheap and I'm growing tired of this so lets see it.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You became the bad guy when you started this post.If you had any questions about the job the first move should be to the guy that did it. After given a chance to rectify the situation and it still is unsatisfactory then you post.
You can do a lot of damage to a mans buisiness with stuff like this and its not right if you dont give a chance to correct it first.
Dont take this as an attack it's not just an explanation. </div></div>
Go back and look at the original post, this thread was started to ASK OPINIONS BEFORE I CALLED THE SMITH ON MONDAY. As a matter of fact, go read all of my posts on the first page and then come back.
If a new stock or rifle is offered to remedy this, let's see it. I didn't do anything wrong and I'm going to stand my ground on this one. I decided on my own to deal with the chipped inletting this morning. However now I find out I'm also missing the front pillar in my stock. Talk is cheap and I'm growing tired of this so lets see it.
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
If your so damn worked up over a pillar send me your address and i will send you two new ones in the package. If not then please shut the hell up.
If your so damn worked up over a pillar send me your address and i will send you two new ones in the package. If not then please shut the hell up.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Jeff I'll accept your offer to make me happy and just sent you this IM.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ill do what it takes to make you happy.. don't like it?. I'll buy u a new stock. Or ill buy the rifle from you if you don't want it, or build u a new rifle... Tell me how to make you happy and I'll do it.
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Jeff,
I'm not happy with the install and per your offered resolution, I would like to have a new McMillan A-5 stock for my Savage with the same or comparable options and in the same colors (or pre-approved and agreed upon by me colors) that is properly inletted for the CDI Savage long action DBM that I bought from you. I would also like to have the stock skim/pillar bedded as it was when I originally sent the rifle to you.
Please let me know what you need from me to accept the replacement stock and bedding job from my local gunsmith or a 3rd party vendor here on the Hide. I patiently await your response and look forward to the resolution you have offered to make me happy.
Thank you,
XXXX
Jeff I'll accept your offer to make me happy and just sent you this IM.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ill do what it takes to make you happy.. don't like it?. I'll buy u a new stock. Or ill buy the rifle from you if you don't want it, or build u a new rifle... Tell me how to make you happy and I'll do it.
</div></div>
Jeff,
I'm not happy with the install and per your offered resolution, I would like to have a new McMillan A-5 stock for my Savage with the same or comparable options and in the same colors (or pre-approved and agreed upon by me colors) that is properly inletted for the CDI Savage long action DBM that I bought from you. I would also like to have the stock skim/pillar bedded as it was when I originally sent the rifle to you.
Please let me know what you need from me to accept the replacement stock and bedding job from my local gunsmith or a 3rd party vendor here on the Hide. I patiently await your response and look forward to the resolution you have offered to make me happy.
Thank you,
XXXX
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Ok, send me the stock specs and ill order one from McMillan..Ill need the old one in exchange(Ill build a shop rifle with it). If you like you can contact Wroscoe to see if he wants to skim bed it.; )
All talk and all action here..I will always do what it takes to be a stand up guy...I like happy customers.
Ok, send me the stock specs and ill order one from McMillan..Ill need the old one in exchange(Ill build a shop rifle with it). If you like you can contact Wroscoe to see if he wants to skim bed it.; )
All talk and all action here..I will always do what it takes to be a stand up guy...I like happy customers.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Black-X,
I am not going to pass judgement on you nor Jeff. However, this probably needs to stay in PMs between the two of you at this point and you can post back the resolution later. I think we can agree it is beginning to spiral out of control regardless of the initial intent of the post. I hope everything works out.
Josh
Black-X,
I am not going to pass judgement on you nor Jeff. However, this probably needs to stay in PMs between the two of you at this point and you can post back the resolution later. I think we can agree it is beginning to spiral out of control regardless of the initial intent of the post. I hope everything works out.
Josh
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Just an FYI - while there may not be any chipping in the bottom metal inlet on the one you get from McMillan, the exposed fibers will still be there if the inlet requires the DBM to sit in the stock the same way.
Just an FYI - while there may not be any chipping in the bottom metal inlet on the one you get from McMillan, the exposed fibers will still be there if the inlet requires the DBM to sit in the stock the same way.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
I agree everyone jumped on the band wagon and I also agree everyone jumped off at the name drop. I believe this thread should have never been started and BLACK-X you should have contacted the company. Aparently you were not happy with it or you would have not started the thread in the first place. If you wanted something done then contact the company and if they offered the fix it then you should have excepted. It is not the companies place to contact you if you haven't even given the company the courtesy to make things right in the first place, I think that's where you turned into the "bad guy". Not passing judgement either but IMHO the more you talk about it the more you sound like a smart ass, not saying you are but I'm sure thats the light everyone is seeing you.
Jeff, your a class act. Most people/vendors/companies would not have responded in this manner.
We are grown men and women here, let's not forget that.
I agree everyone jumped on the band wagon and I also agree everyone jumped off at the name drop. I believe this thread should have never been started and BLACK-X you should have contacted the company. Aparently you were not happy with it or you would have not started the thread in the first place. If you wanted something done then contact the company and if they offered the fix it then you should have excepted. It is not the companies place to contact you if you haven't even given the company the courtesy to make things right in the first place, I think that's where you turned into the "bad guy". Not passing judgement either but IMHO the more you talk about it the more you sound like a smart ass, not saying you are but I'm sure thats the light everyone is seeing you.
Jeff, your a class act. Most people/vendors/companies would not have responded in this manner.
We are grown men and women here, let's not forget that.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, send me the stock specs and ill order one from McMillan..Ill need the old one in exchange(Ill build a shop rifle with it). If you like you can contact Wroscoe to see if he wants to skim bed it.; )
All talk and all action here..I will always do what it takes to be a stand up guy...I like happy customers. </div></div>
To bad the A5 isn't for a Remington 700 short action. I would have you call me when it arrived for purchase. I could have my smith repair it and get another build going. lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, send me the stock specs and ill order one from McMillan..Ill need the old one in exchange(Ill build a shop rifle with it). If you like you can contact Wroscoe to see if he wants to skim bed it.; )
All talk and all action here..I will always do what it takes to be a stand up guy...I like happy customers. </div></div>
To bad the A5 isn't for a Remington 700 short action. I would have you call me when it arrived for purchase. I could have my smith repair it and get another build going. lol
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be extremely unhappy with that piss-poor workmanship. But the smith has offered to make it right, which is far better service than I have received elsewhere! </div></div>
again, what exactly is the piss-poor workmanship? the chipped gelcoat?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be extremely unhappy with that piss-poor workmanship. But the smith has offered to make it right, which is far better service than I have received elsewhere! </div></div>
again, what exactly is the piss-poor workmanship? the chipped gelcoat?
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Everyone, details concerning the replacement will be handled via IM between Jeff and myself as suggested.
I did not intend to be a smart ass to you all and I sincerely apologize if you believe that I acted so.
Thank you,
-X
Everyone, details concerning the replacement will be handled via IM between Jeff and myself as suggested.
I did not intend to be a smart ass to you all and I sincerely apologize if you believe that I acted so.
Thank you,
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9222</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree everyone jumped on the band wagon and I also agree everyone jumped off at the name drop. I believe this thread should have never been started and BLACK-X you should have contacted the company. Aparently you were not happy with it or you would have not started the thread in the first place. If you wanted something done then contact the company and if they offered the fix it then you should have excepted. It is not the companies place to contact you if you haven't even given the company the courtesy to make things right in the first place, I think that's where you turned into the "bad guy". Not passing judgement either but IMHO the more you talk about it the more you sound like a smart ass, not saying you are but I'm sure thats the light everyone is seeing you.
Jeff, your a class act. Most people/vendors/companies would not have responded in this manner.
We are grown men and women here, let's not forget that. </div></div>
I have to say that not everybody chose sides or picked the bad guy. The man was concerned that he opened up his package when it arrived it was in his opinion, not the best job. He was honestly wondering if that was worth worrying about, if it was the norm. He listened to what people had to say for the most part. He was in the process of contacting CDI Precision if I read things correctly. Whether it was CDI Precision, Roscoe, Mike R at Tac Ops or whomever, it doesn't matter. What matters is if the customer and vendor can work out a deal, which it looks like they did. Would you had the same reaction if the smith was Joe Blow from down the street working out of his garage in his backyard? No, he would have been bashed to shit and possibly lost business because of it. That being said, he was worried that he was making a big deal of it or being too picky. Most offered their opinion that he wasn't wrong in being disappointed with the job. He apparently contacted the smith and they eventually worked things out. We all knew Jeff at CDI would make good on his guarantee to stand behind his work, hence why he is probably booked for months. Black X was just frustrated and felt people were twisting his words when he didn't mean any harm by it. You know how shit gets out of hand, I mean it is the interwebz.
Kelly
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9222</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree everyone jumped on the band wagon and I also agree everyone jumped off at the name drop. I believe this thread should have never been started and BLACK-X you should have contacted the company. Aparently you were not happy with it or you would have not started the thread in the first place. If you wanted something done then contact the company and if they offered the fix it then you should have excepted. It is not the companies place to contact you if you haven't even given the company the courtesy to make things right in the first place, I think that's where you turned into the "bad guy". Not passing judgement either but IMHO the more you talk about it the more you sound like a smart ass, not saying you are but I'm sure thats the light everyone is seeing you.
Jeff, your a class act. Most people/vendors/companies would not have responded in this manner.
We are grown men and women here, let's not forget that. </div></div>
I have to say that not everybody chose sides or picked the bad guy. The man was concerned that he opened up his package when it arrived it was in his opinion, not the best job. He was honestly wondering if that was worth worrying about, if it was the norm. He listened to what people had to say for the most part. He was in the process of contacting CDI Precision if I read things correctly. Whether it was CDI Precision, Roscoe, Mike R at Tac Ops or whomever, it doesn't matter. What matters is if the customer and vendor can work out a deal, which it looks like they did. Would you had the same reaction if the smith was Joe Blow from down the street working out of his garage in his backyard? No, he would have been bashed to shit and possibly lost business because of it. That being said, he was worried that he was making a big deal of it or being too picky. Most offered their opinion that he wasn't wrong in being disappointed with the job. He apparently contacted the smith and they eventually worked things out. We all knew Jeff at CDI would make good on his guarantee to stand behind his work, hence why he is probably booked for months. Black X was just frustrated and felt people were twisting his words when he didn't mean any harm by it. You know how shit gets out of hand, I mean it is the interwebz.
Kelly
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be extremely unhappy with that piss-poor workmanship. But the smith has offered to make it right, which is far better service than I have received elsewhere! </div></div>
again, what exactly is the piss-poor workmanship? the chipped gelcoat? </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be extremely unhappy with that piss-poor workmanship. But the smith has offered to make it right, which is far better service than I have received elsewhere! </div></div>
again, what exactly is the piss-poor workmanship? the chipped gelcoat? </div></div>
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9222</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree everyone jumped on the band wagon and I also agree everyone jumped off at the name drop. I believe this thread should have never been started and BLACK-X you should have contacted the company. Aparently you were not happy with it or you would have not started the thread in the first place. If you wanted something done then contact the company and if they offered the fix it then you should have excepted. It is not the companies place to contact you if you haven't even given the company the courtesy to make things right in the first place, I think that's where you turned into the "bad guy". Not passing judgement either but IMHO the more you talk about it the more you sound like a smart ass, not saying you are but I'm sure thats the light everyone is seeing you.
Jeff, your a class act. Most people/vendors/companies would not have responded in this manner.
We are grown men and women here, let's not forget that. </div></div>
I have to say that not everybody chose sides or picked the bad guy. The man was concerned that he opened up his package when it arrived it was in his opinion, not the best job. He was honestly wondering if that was worth worrying about, if it was the norm. He listened to what people had to say for the most part. He was in the process of contacting CDI Precision if I read things correctly. Whether it was CDI Precision, Roscoe, Mike R at Tac Ops or whomever, it doesn't matter. What matters is if the customer and vendor can work out a deal, which it looks like they did. Would you had the same reaction if the smith was Joe Blow from down the street working out of his garage in his backyard? No, he would have been bashed to shit and possibly lost business because of it. That being said, he was worried that he was making a big deal of it or being too picky. Most offered their opinion that he wasn't wrong in being disappointed with the job. He apparently contacted the smith and they eventually worked things out. We all knew Jeff at CDI would make good on his guarantee to stand behind his work, hence why he is probably booked for months. Black X was just frustrated and felt people were twisting his words when he didn't mean any harm by it. You know how shit gets out of hand, I mean it is the interwebz.
Kelly </div></div>
Maybe everybody was a poor choice of words on my part and if I read correctly the OP stated in his 5th post... "It's just not going to be worth the hassle to me so out with it already. If they want to contact me about this, that's fine. If not that's fine too."
To me it sounded like the OP just expected CDI to see this forum and respond, He didn't even give CDI the oppertunity to make things right before airing his dirty laundry. Thats the only reason why I think he came out to look like the "bad guy". I mean everybody is due whats owed to them. It was obvious the OP was not happy in the first place, other wise he would have not started this thread. I'm glad he is getting his stuff fixed though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k9222</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree everyone jumped on the band wagon and I also agree everyone jumped off at the name drop. I believe this thread should have never been started and BLACK-X you should have contacted the company. Aparently you were not happy with it or you would have not started the thread in the first place. If you wanted something done then contact the company and if they offered the fix it then you should have excepted. It is not the companies place to contact you if you haven't even given the company the courtesy to make things right in the first place, I think that's where you turned into the "bad guy". Not passing judgement either but IMHO the more you talk about it the more you sound like a smart ass, not saying you are but I'm sure thats the light everyone is seeing you.
Jeff, your a class act. Most people/vendors/companies would not have responded in this manner.
We are grown men and women here, let's not forget that. </div></div>
I have to say that not everybody chose sides or picked the bad guy. The man was concerned that he opened up his package when it arrived it was in his opinion, not the best job. He was honestly wondering if that was worth worrying about, if it was the norm. He listened to what people had to say for the most part. He was in the process of contacting CDI Precision if I read things correctly. Whether it was CDI Precision, Roscoe, Mike R at Tac Ops or whomever, it doesn't matter. What matters is if the customer and vendor can work out a deal, which it looks like they did. Would you had the same reaction if the smith was Joe Blow from down the street working out of his garage in his backyard? No, he would have been bashed to shit and possibly lost business because of it. That being said, he was worried that he was making a big deal of it or being too picky. Most offered their opinion that he wasn't wrong in being disappointed with the job. He apparently contacted the smith and they eventually worked things out. We all knew Jeff at CDI would make good on his guarantee to stand behind his work, hence why he is probably booked for months. Black X was just frustrated and felt people were twisting his words when he didn't mean any harm by it. You know how shit gets out of hand, I mean it is the interwebz.
Kelly </div></div>
Maybe everybody was a poor choice of words on my part and if I read correctly the OP stated in his 5th post... "It's just not going to be worth the hassle to me so out with it already. If they want to contact me about this, that's fine. If not that's fine too."
To me it sounded like the OP just expected CDI to see this forum and respond, He didn't even give CDI the oppertunity to make things right before airing his dirty laundry. Thats the only reason why I think he came out to look like the "bad guy". I mean everybody is due whats owed to them. It was obvious the OP was not happy in the first place, other wise he would have not started this thread. I'm glad he is getting his stuff fixed though.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jeff I'll accept your offer to make me happy and just sent you this IM.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ill do what it takes to make you happy.. don't like it?. I'll buy u a new stock. Or ill buy the rifle from you if you don't want it, or build u a new rifle... Tell me how to make you happy and I'll do it.
</div></div>
Jeff,
I'm not happy with the install and per your offered resolution, I would like to have a new McMillan A-5 stock for my Savage with the same or comparable options and in the same colors (or pre-approved and agreed upon by me colors) that is properly inletted for the CDI Savage long action DBM that I bought from you. I would also like to have the stock skim/pillar bedded as it was when I originally sent the rifle to you.
Please let me know what you need from me to accept the replacement stock and bedding job from my local gunsmith or a 3rd party vendor here on the Hide. I patiently await your response and look forward to the resolution you have offered to make me happy.
Thank you,
XXXX </div></div>
Wow a few chips in gelcoat and you want a new stock, I mean Jeff gave you a discount of 50% and he stated that you would be a guinea pig, I know this because I was talking about doing a long action savage a few months ago and he told me the same thing.
Jeff, class act, my next rifle will be going to you. I would not give black-x a free stock personally, JMO. but first a chance to fix the existing one free of charge.
Some people take way too much advantage of others, I mean if Jeff said, itll be perfect, then go ahead and make him buy you a new stock, but he stated that your rifle would be a guinea pig or test.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jeff I'll accept your offer to make me happy and just sent you this IM.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CDiPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ill do what it takes to make you happy.. don't like it?. I'll buy u a new stock. Or ill buy the rifle from you if you don't want it, or build u a new rifle... Tell me how to make you happy and I'll do it.
</div></div>
Jeff,
I'm not happy with the install and per your offered resolution, I would like to have a new McMillan A-5 stock for my Savage with the same or comparable options and in the same colors (or pre-approved and agreed upon by me colors) that is properly inletted for the CDI Savage long action DBM that I bought from you. I would also like to have the stock skim/pillar bedded as it was when I originally sent the rifle to you.
Please let me know what you need from me to accept the replacement stock and bedding job from my local gunsmith or a 3rd party vendor here on the Hide. I patiently await your response and look forward to the resolution you have offered to make me happy.
Thank you,
XXXX </div></div>
Wow a few chips in gelcoat and you want a new stock, I mean Jeff gave you a discount of 50% and he stated that you would be a guinea pig, I know this because I was talking about doing a long action savage a few months ago and he told me the same thing.
Jeff, class act, my next rifle will be going to you. I would not give black-x a free stock personally, JMO. but first a chance to fix the existing one free of charge.
Some people take way too much advantage of others, I mean if Jeff said, itll be perfect, then go ahead and make him buy you a new stock, but he stated that your rifle would be a guinea pig or test.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Just a comment from the peanut gallery. I went back and viewed the timestamps of all the postings and it would appear the OP never called Jeff until AFTER CDI noticed this thread and commented on it after lunch on Monday. Maybe it is just me, but if I were upset enough to post an issue on a forum knowing that it was going to start a fuss over a vendor with a reputation on this same forum, I would have been calling said vendor zero dark thirty Monday morning instead of waiting on him to see my post concerning his work...
That is the only issue I see with this series of events. IMHO, none of this would be an issue had the OP called CDI out of the gate and resolved this between two grownups. Too often now days people need reaffirmation from the "internet forums" to know what is right and wrong.I understand the OP may have been dis-satisfied with the work and wanted "second opinions", but where he strayed wrong in my opinion was outing the smith BEFORE he gave the smith a chance to respond. There is no justification at all for that action. The OP had to know as soon as the name was dropped that the forums would react.
I was pleased to see Jeff's response because he seemed to be the adult of the two, in my opinion. He felt like his work was being bashed and he gave a measured, informative response to why the inletting installed the way it did. Then offered several remedies.
As a curious bystander, knowing neither party, and judging the character of the man by these postings alone, I would have no issue with CDI getting my hard earned money for services rendered. A man's words and actions are his reputation. I find nothing lacking with Jeff's response...
Just my opinion, which I understand the OP asked for...
Semper Fi
Just a comment from the peanut gallery. I went back and viewed the timestamps of all the postings and it would appear the OP never called Jeff until AFTER CDI noticed this thread and commented on it after lunch on Monday. Maybe it is just me, but if I were upset enough to post an issue on a forum knowing that it was going to start a fuss over a vendor with a reputation on this same forum, I would have been calling said vendor zero dark thirty Monday morning instead of waiting on him to see my post concerning his work...
That is the only issue I see with this series of events. IMHO, none of this would be an issue had the OP called CDI out of the gate and resolved this between two grownups. Too often now days people need reaffirmation from the "internet forums" to know what is right and wrong.I understand the OP may have been dis-satisfied with the work and wanted "second opinions", but where he strayed wrong in my opinion was outing the smith BEFORE he gave the smith a chance to respond. There is no justification at all for that action. The OP had to know as soon as the name was dropped that the forums would react.
I was pleased to see Jeff's response because he seemed to be the adult of the two, in my opinion. He felt like his work was being bashed and he gave a measured, informative response to why the inletting installed the way it did. Then offered several remedies.
As a curious bystander, knowing neither party, and judging the character of the man by these postings alone, I would have no issue with CDI getting my hard earned money for services rendered. A man's words and actions are his reputation. I find nothing lacking with Jeff's response...
Just my opinion, which I understand the OP asked for...
Semper Fi
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FlaBouy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just a comment from the peanut gallery. I went back and viewed the timestamps of all the postings and it would appear the OP never called Jeff until AFTER CDI noticed this thread and commented on it after lunch on Monday. Maybe it is just me, but if I were upset enough to post an issue on a forum knowing that it was going to start a fuss over a vendor with a reputation on this same forum, I would have been calling said vendor zero dark thirty Monday morning instead of waiting on him to see my post concerning his work...
That is the only issue I see with this series of events. IMHO, none of this would be an issue had the OP called CDI out of the gate and resolved this between two grownups. Too often now days people need reaffirmation from the "internet forums" to know what is right and wrong.I understand the OP may have been dis-satisfied with the work and wanted "second opinions", but where he strayed wrong in my opinion was outing the smith BEFORE he gave the smith a chance to respond. There is no justification at all for that action. The OP had to know as soon as the name was dropped that the forums would react.
I was pleased to see Jeff's response because he seemed to be the adult of the two, in my opinion. He felt like his work was being bashed and he gave a measured, informative response to why the inletting installed the way it did. Then offered several remedies.
As a curious bystander, knowing neither party, and judging the character of the man by these postings alone, I would have no issue with CDI getting my hard earned money for services rendered. A man's words and actions are his reputation. I find nothing lacking with Jeff's response...
Just my opinion, which I understand the OP asked for...
Semper Fi </div></div>
Thank you, my point exactly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FlaBouy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just a comment from the peanut gallery. I went back and viewed the timestamps of all the postings and it would appear the OP never called Jeff until AFTER CDI noticed this thread and commented on it after lunch on Monday. Maybe it is just me, but if I were upset enough to post an issue on a forum knowing that it was going to start a fuss over a vendor with a reputation on this same forum, I would have been calling said vendor zero dark thirty Monday morning instead of waiting on him to see my post concerning his work...
That is the only issue I see with this series of events. IMHO, none of this would be an issue had the OP called CDI out of the gate and resolved this between two grownups. Too often now days people need reaffirmation from the "internet forums" to know what is right and wrong.I understand the OP may have been dis-satisfied with the work and wanted "second opinions", but where he strayed wrong in my opinion was outing the smith BEFORE he gave the smith a chance to respond. There is no justification at all for that action. The OP had to know as soon as the name was dropped that the forums would react.
I was pleased to see Jeff's response because he seemed to be the adult of the two, in my opinion. He felt like his work was being bashed and he gave a measured, informative response to why the inletting installed the way it did. Then offered several remedies.
As a curious bystander, knowing neither party, and judging the character of the man by these postings alone, I would have no issue with CDI getting my hard earned money for services rendered. A man's words and actions are his reputation. I find nothing lacking with Jeff's response...
Just my opinion, which I understand the OP asked for...
Semper Fi </div></div>
Thank you, my point exactly.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
I would be interested to know how much clearance around the metal. That would have been my only real concern.
Heights just tend to be where you end up in some cases.
Chipping is something I would expect but could also have been fixed.
You should have explained the situation and what the "deal" was in your original posts. It was VERY relevant.
Once you filter what information you provide people start to wonder what is going on. Up to the point there was a pillar missing I did not agree with what you had done.
Once we saw that it changed things. I would guess it came out as part of the learning experience and I wonder why it was not bedded again. If you have a "good faith" deal where you both got something out of it the goods still need to come back without additional "damage". a few chips is nothing, excessive clearance around the metal might be an issue, pillars being missing are a problem and needed to be fixed. Fixing means bedding it again. I can't understand why it was not done.
I think you should go to the other smith who offered to help and let him do what he can, pay what he will take and I bet it will come back perfect. You end up getting what you want and everyone is clear of the situation. Maybe having learnt something
I would be interested to know how much clearance around the metal. That would have been my only real concern.
Heights just tend to be where you end up in some cases.
Chipping is something I would expect but could also have been fixed.
You should have explained the situation and what the "deal" was in your original posts. It was VERY relevant.
Once you filter what information you provide people start to wonder what is going on. Up to the point there was a pillar missing I did not agree with what you had done.
Once we saw that it changed things. I would guess it came out as part of the learning experience and I wonder why it was not bedded again. If you have a "good faith" deal where you both got something out of it the goods still need to come back without additional "damage". a few chips is nothing, excessive clearance around the metal might be an issue, pillars being missing are a problem and needed to be fixed. Fixing means bedding it again. I can't understand why it was not done.
I think you should go to the other smith who offered to help and let him do what he can, pay what he will take and I bet it will come back perfect. You end up getting what you want and everyone is clear of the situation. Maybe having learnt something
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Concur.
If the OP had started with "This install was performed with a 50% discount and a warning that it was still experimental" then the responses he would have gotten would have been VERY different.
Now he is all butt hurt for being called out as the bad guy. The blame is his.
I can understand being upset about the chips on an expensive stock and on the missing pillar, but the chips are explained by stock construction and the pillar is explained by "Ooops, sorry I missed that" Everyone makes mistakes.
I believe he is just in it for a new stock, now he wants CDI to perform another install on one he wasn't happy with in the first place? He is now taking advantage of a man who has an excellent reputation and wants to keep his reputation unsullied.
Concur.
If the OP had started with "This install was performed with a 50% discount and a warning that it was still experimental" then the responses he would have gotten would have been VERY different.
Now he is all butt hurt for being called out as the bad guy. The blame is his.
I can understand being upset about the chips on an expensive stock and on the missing pillar, but the chips are explained by stock construction and the pillar is explained by "Ooops, sorry I missed that" Everyone makes mistakes.
I believe he is just in it for a new stock, now he wants CDI to perform another install on one he wasn't happy with in the first place? He is now taking advantage of a man who has an excellent reputation and wants to keep his reputation unsullied.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
My worthless opinion... X doesn't seem like a bad guy; honestly I would have been upset too. 20% off... 30% off... 50% off doesn't matter. A service was purchased and it wasn't to his liking/expectations. The chips were obviously there when the stock left and if they were that easy to repair as has been discussed, then they should have been.
I don't have a dog in the fight, but geez guys; lighten up on the man. He has a significant investment and wants things to his perception of "right."
With all of that said, I think CDI has stepped up and made a positive of the situation and has actually boosted their reputation through their handling of the issue. As they say, no press is bad press...
~ Rico
My worthless opinion... X doesn't seem like a bad guy; honestly I would have been upset too. 20% off... 30% off... 50% off doesn't matter. A service was purchased and it wasn't to his liking/expectations. The chips were obviously there when the stock left and if they were that easy to repair as has been discussed, then they should have been.
I don't have a dog in the fight, but geez guys; lighten up on the man. He has a significant investment and wants things to his perception of "right."
With all of that said, I think CDI has stepped up and made a positive of the situation and has actually boosted their reputation through their handling of the issue. As they say, no press is bad press...
~ Rico
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
jeff i applaud you on the offer of a new stock. why someone would take a new stock from you instead of just fixing a few cosmetic flaws (pillar excluded) in an otherwise good stock seems to me to be opportunistic. there is no way i would take a stock from you. i would take a repair kit from mcmillan if you offered, but i would have paid for that myself. this site is full of pictures of Jeffs product. not all of the installs line up flush with the bottom of the stock. all of jeffs products that have been installed work as intended. many mcmillan stocks chip, its the nature of the construction and milling process.
X- nothing against you, but we all knew it was a CDI bottom when you posted pics. this kinda sums it up best...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Concur.
If the OP had started with "This install was performed with a 50% discount and a warning that it was still experimental" then the responses he would have gotten would have been VERY different.
Now he is all butt hurt for being called out as the bad guy. The blame is his.
I can understand being upset about the chips on an expensive stock and on the missing pillar, but the chips are explained by stock construction and the pillar is explained by "Ooops, sorry I missed that" Everyone makes mistakes.
I believe he is just in it for a new stock, now he wants CDI to perform another install on one he wasn't happy with in the first place? He is now taking advantage of a man who has an excellent reputation and wants to keep his reputation unsullied. </div></div>
jeff i applaud you on the offer of a new stock. why someone would take a new stock from you instead of just fixing a few cosmetic flaws (pillar excluded) in an otherwise good stock seems to me to be opportunistic. there is no way i would take a stock from you. i would take a repair kit from mcmillan if you offered, but i would have paid for that myself. this site is full of pictures of Jeffs product. not all of the installs line up flush with the bottom of the stock. all of jeffs products that have been installed work as intended. many mcmillan stocks chip, its the nature of the construction and milling process.
X- nothing against you, but we all knew it was a CDI bottom when you posted pics. this kinda sums it up best...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Concur.
If the OP had started with "This install was performed with a 50% discount and a warning that it was still experimental" then the responses he would have gotten would have been VERY different.
Now he is all butt hurt for being called out as the bad guy. The blame is his.
I can understand being upset about the chips on an expensive stock and on the missing pillar, but the chips are explained by stock construction and the pillar is explained by "Ooops, sorry I missed that" Everyone makes mistakes.
I believe he is just in it for a new stock, now he wants CDI to perform another install on one he wasn't happy with in the first place? He is now taking advantage of a man who has an excellent reputation and wants to keep his reputation unsullied. </div></div>
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Regardless of the discount or the fact that it was a "guinea pig" install for the dbm fit to the savage, the issues that are being addressed have nothing to do with getting a discount or being a test rifle. The fact is, it was a rough inlet job and a pillar was removed and not replaced before it was returned, period.
Regardless of the discount or the fact that it was a "guinea pig" install for the dbm fit to the savage, the issues that are being addressed have nothing to do with getting a discount or being a test rifle. The fact is, it was a rough inlet job and a pillar was removed and not replaced before it was returned, period.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage110</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Wow a few chips in gelcoat and you want a new stock, I mean Jeff gave you a discount of 50% and he stated that you would be a guinea pig, I know this because I was talking about doing a long action savage a few months ago and he told me the same thing.
Jeff, class act, my next rifle will be going to you. I would not give black-x a free stock personally, JMO. but first a chance to fix the existing one free of charge.
Some people take way too much advantage of others, I mean if Jeff said, itll be perfect, then go ahead and make him buy you a new stock, but he stated that your rifle would be a guinea pig or test.
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Sir,
I do not want a free stock and I am not simply receiving a free stock to do as I please. I am accepting Jeff's offer for a new, better inletted stock in exchange for my current stock.
As far as the guinea pig comment, the lines are getting quite skewed and I was never made aware that I would be a guinea pig for the entire install process like it is being suggested. I was made aware that he didn't have much experience <span style="font-style: italic">for the fitting of the DBM to the rifle </span>and this would be the reason why I received the free fitting, but please remember I had to pay full price for the stock inletting. If worded "50% off the entire thing and you're going to be the guinea pig", sure it sounds similar to what you suggest. That wasn't the case and I was advised "I already have a donor rifle that's completed. Yours will be the second one that I've done. Go ahead and send the whole rifle if you want. I will fit the bottom metal to the rifle for free so you don't have to adjust it, that way you will get back a working rifle.". Jeff is welcome to comment if he believes I am mistaken on this but his earlier "guinea pig" comment was worded very loosely. Also, this was a couple of weeks ago after being advised there was already a finished donor rifle, not a few months ago as in your case.
I don't mind answering any questions or clearing up any doubts but I would appreciate it if the assumptions were left out.
Thank you,
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage110</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Wow a few chips in gelcoat and you want a new stock, I mean Jeff gave you a discount of 50% and he stated that you would be a guinea pig, I know this because I was talking about doing a long action savage a few months ago and he told me the same thing.
Jeff, class act, my next rifle will be going to you. I would not give black-x a free stock personally, JMO. but first a chance to fix the existing one free of charge.
Some people take way too much advantage of others, I mean if Jeff said, itll be perfect, then go ahead and make him buy you a new stock, but he stated that your rifle would be a guinea pig or test.
</div></div>
Sir,
I do not want a free stock and I am not simply receiving a free stock to do as I please. I am accepting Jeff's offer for a new, better inletted stock in exchange for my current stock.
As far as the guinea pig comment, the lines are getting quite skewed and I was never made aware that I would be a guinea pig for the entire install process like it is being suggested. I was made aware that he didn't have much experience <span style="font-style: italic">for the fitting of the DBM to the rifle </span>and this would be the reason why I received the free fitting, but please remember I had to pay full price for the stock inletting. If worded "50% off the entire thing and you're going to be the guinea pig", sure it sounds similar to what you suggest. That wasn't the case and I was advised "I already have a donor rifle that's completed. Yours will be the second one that I've done. Go ahead and send the whole rifle if you want. I will fit the bottom metal to the rifle for free so you don't have to adjust it, that way you will get back a working rifle.". Jeff is welcome to comment if he believes I am mistaken on this but his earlier "guinea pig" comment was worded very loosely. Also, this was a couple of weeks ago after being advised there was already a finished donor rifle, not a few months ago as in your case.
I don't mind answering any questions or clearing up any doubts but I would appreciate it if the assumptions were left out.
Thank you,
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AUJohn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be interested to know how much clearance around the metal. That would have been my only real concern.
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I can push the bottom metal to one side and fit 2 stacked credit cards in the space between the stock and bottom metal. I honestly don't know if that is a lot or not as this would be my first DBM install that I've had done.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AUJohn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be interested to know how much clearance around the metal. That would have been my only real concern.
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I can push the bottom metal to one side and fit 2 stacked credit cards in the space between the stock and bottom metal. I honestly don't know if that is a lot or not as this would be my first DBM install that I've had done.
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
^ Id say definitely unacceptable, but alot of that play probably is due to the missing pillar
^ Id say definitely unacceptable, but alot of that play probably is due to the missing pillar
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Concur.
I can understand being upset about the chips on an expensive stock and on the missing pillar, but the chips are explained by stock construction and the pillar is explained by "Ooops, sorry I missed that" Everyone makes mistakes.
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Without permission I won't post the user's screen name or details, but there was a guy that had a LA bottom metal install done on his McMillan A-5 previous to mine and I asked him if his stock was chipped around the inletting. He advised me that his had no chipping and perfect sharp edges. I don't know for sure who did the work and I won't assume anything, but that would appear to say that it <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> be done neatly on the A-5.
You also missed part of the second phone call I had to make where I questioned Jeff about the missing front pillar and I was told that I didn't need a front pillar and that the fiberglass on newer stocks was strong enough to hold the action. I pressed further at this point and he agreed that he should have put one back in. In Jeff's defense he did say that he would re-install a pillar and would reimburse my shipping but what about my downtime of sending the stock out again? What about what I see in front of me, I'm being told by my peers I received a bad inlet job and later on I happen upon a removed and missing front pillar?
In all honesty, please put yourself in my shoes for a minute.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Concur.
I can understand being upset about the chips on an expensive stock and on the missing pillar, but the chips are explained by stock construction and the pillar is explained by "Ooops, sorry I missed that" Everyone makes mistakes.
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Without permission I won't post the user's screen name or details, but there was a guy that had a LA bottom metal install done on his McMillan A-5 previous to mine and I asked him if his stock was chipped around the inletting. He advised me that his had no chipping and perfect sharp edges. I don't know for sure who did the work and I won't assume anything, but that would appear to say that it <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> be done neatly on the A-5.
You also missed part of the second phone call I had to make where I questioned Jeff about the missing front pillar and I was told that I didn't need a front pillar and that the fiberglass on newer stocks was strong enough to hold the action. I pressed further at this point and he agreed that he should have put one back in. In Jeff's defense he did say that he would re-install a pillar and would reimburse my shipping but what about my downtime of sending the stock out again? What about what I see in front of me, I'm being told by my peers I received a bad inlet job and later on I happen upon a removed and missing front pillar?
In all honesty, please put yourself in my shoes for a minute.
-X
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Just in case none of you are aware of it, on our Savage stocks with a blind magazine, they all get a steel pillar around the front guard screw because the escutcheon and pillar are a one-piece unit. We get them from Savage and that's the way they are made. If you remove the escutcheon for a floorplate inlet you remove the pillar. On the A5 stocks we make for Savage for the new DBM and floorplate systems they do not have a front pillar either. I suppose a little aluminum one could be installed, but with the amount of bearing surface on the bottom of that floorplate I doubt that it's necessary. I certainly wouldn't worry about it. Savage has been using these stocks, sans pillars for 4 years now with no problem.
By the way, we have inletted an A4 for a Savage with CDi's DBM floorplate and it recessed way down into the stock just like in this picture. It's to the design depth and the only way it will work. So if you want a new stock Black-X you will probably want to go back to your blind magazine as the CDi floorplate is inletted to the proper depth to function and has to be that way. It's just like the set of pillars you get with a Badger M5 DBM floorplate, it has to be set to that depth to function properly wheather it's a real good fit on the bottom of the stock or not.
Dick at McMillans
Just in case none of you are aware of it, on our Savage stocks with a blind magazine, they all get a steel pillar around the front guard screw because the escutcheon and pillar are a one-piece unit. We get them from Savage and that's the way they are made. If you remove the escutcheon for a floorplate inlet you remove the pillar. On the A5 stocks we make for Savage for the new DBM and floorplate systems they do not have a front pillar either. I suppose a little aluminum one could be installed, but with the amount of bearing surface on the bottom of that floorplate I doubt that it's necessary. I certainly wouldn't worry about it. Savage has been using these stocks, sans pillars for 4 years now with no problem.
By the way, we have inletted an A4 for a Savage with CDi's DBM floorplate and it recessed way down into the stock just like in this picture. It's to the design depth and the only way it will work. So if you want a new stock Black-X you will probably want to go back to your blind magazine as the CDi floorplate is inletted to the proper depth to function and has to be that way. It's just like the set of pillars you get with a Badger M5 DBM floorplate, it has to be set to that depth to function properly wheather it's a real good fit on the bottom of the stock or not.
Dick at McMillans
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick Davis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Just in case none of you are aware of it, on our Savage stocks with a blind magazine, they all get a steel pillar around the front guard screw because the escutcheon and pillar are a one-piece unit. We get them from Savage and that's the way they are made. If you remove the escutcheon for a floorplate inlet you remove the pillar. On the A5 stocks we make for Savage for the new DBM and floorplate systems they do not have a front pillar either. I suppose a little aluminum one could be installed, but with the amount of bearing surface on the bottom of that floorplate I doubt that it's necessary. I certainly wouldn't worry about it. Savage has been using these stocks, sans pillars for 4 years now with no problem.
By the way, we have inletted an A4 for a Savage with CDi's DBM floorplate and it recessed way down into the stock just like in this picture. It's to the design depth and the only way it will work. So if you want a new stock Black-X you will probably want to go back to your blind magazine as the CDi floorplate is inletted to the proper depth to function and has to be that way. It's just like the set of pillars you get with a Badger M5 DBM floorplate, it has to be set to that depth to function properly wheather it's a real good fit on the bottom of the stock or not.
Dick at McMillans </div></div>
Dick, I appreciate your very infomative post and I thought I had communicated in the post and with Jeff that I am fine with the depth of the bottom metal.
Thank you,
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick Davis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Just in case none of you are aware of it, on our Savage stocks with a blind magazine, they all get a steel pillar around the front guard screw because the escutcheon and pillar are a one-piece unit. We get them from Savage and that's the way they are made. If you remove the escutcheon for a floorplate inlet you remove the pillar. On the A5 stocks we make for Savage for the new DBM and floorplate systems they do not have a front pillar either. I suppose a little aluminum one could be installed, but with the amount of bearing surface on the bottom of that floorplate I doubt that it's necessary. I certainly wouldn't worry about it. Savage has been using these stocks, sans pillars for 4 years now with no problem.
By the way, we have inletted an A4 for a Savage with CDi's DBM floorplate and it recessed way down into the stock just like in this picture. It's to the design depth and the only way it will work. So if you want a new stock Black-X you will probably want to go back to your blind magazine as the CDi floorplate is inletted to the proper depth to function and has to be that way. It's just like the set of pillars you get with a Badger M5 DBM floorplate, it has to be set to that depth to function properly wheather it's a real good fit on the bottom of the stock or not.
Dick at McMillans </div></div>
Dick, I appreciate your very infomative post and I thought I had communicated in the post and with Jeff that I am fine with the depth of the bottom metal.
Thank you,
-X
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P.S. We cannot inlet the new Savage rifles with a DBM or floorplate into our standard Savage and Remington designs. The action area depth is much shallower that the standard blind magazine and older action designs. So far we have a version of the A5 designed specifically for the new Savage DBM's and a version of the HTG for them. These are the only tactical and hunting stocks we can inlet for the new DBM Savages at this time.
Dick at McMillans
P.S. We cannot inlet the new Savage rifles with a DBM or floorplate into our standard Savage and Remington designs. The action area depth is much shallower that the standard blind magazine and older action designs. So far we have a version of the A5 designed specifically for the new Savage DBM's and a version of the HTG for them. These are the only tactical and hunting stocks we can inlet for the new DBM Savages at this time.
Dick at McMillans
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
Black-X, If you decide to keep the stock you have with the way it is inletted, just send the stock and the CDi floorplate back to me and we will clean the rough edges up a bit, taper them down as much as we can and fix all the little chips around the edges. We can probably make it look pretty good. No charge just because you have the intelligence and good taste to buy a McMillan stock in the first place.
Dick
Black-X, If you decide to keep the stock you have with the way it is inletted, just send the stock and the CDi floorplate back to me and we will clean the rough edges up a bit, taper them down as much as we can and fix all the little chips around the edges. We can probably make it look pretty good. No charge just because you have the intelligence and good taste to buy a McMillan stock in the first place.
Dick
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Send it Bill Roscoe, he stepped up to offer help - and sounds like a stand up guy.
Send it Bill Roscoe, he stepped up to offer help - and sounds like a stand up guy.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick Davis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black-X, If you decide to keep the stock you have with the way it is inletted, just send the stock and the CDi floorplate back to me and we will clean the rough edges up a bit, taper them down as much as we can and fix all the little chips around the edges. We can probably make it look pretty good. No charge just because you have the intelligence and good taste to buy a McMillan stock in the first place.
Dick </div></div>
Dick, that is kind of you to offer and I appreciate it. At this time however, I would prefer to stick to the resolution that Jeff presented to me and keep this between the two of us. Again, that's a generous offer and I appreciate it.
-X
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick Davis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black-X, If you decide to keep the stock you have with the way it is inletted, just send the stock and the CDi floorplate back to me and we will clean the rough edges up a bit, taper them down as much as we can and fix all the little chips around the edges. We can probably make it look pretty good. No charge just because you have the intelligence and good taste to buy a McMillan stock in the first place.
Dick </div></div>
Dick, that is kind of you to offer and I appreciate it. At this time however, I would prefer to stick to the resolution that Jeff presented to me and keep this between the two of us. Again, that's a generous offer and I appreciate it.
-X
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Another worthless opinion... you have McMillan on stand by to help you out... and yet??? Screw it... no one does it better than the factory.
Another worthless opinion... you have McMillan on stand by to help you out... and yet??? Screw it... no one does it better than the factory.
Re: Would you be satisfied with this install?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick Davis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black-X, If you decide to keep the stock you have with the way it is inletted, just send the stock and the CDi floorplate back to me and we will clean the rough edges up a bit, taper them down as much as we can and fix all the little chips around the edges. We can probably make it look pretty good. No charge just because you have the intelligence and good taste to buy a McMillan stock in the first place.
Dick </div></div>
Dick, that is kind of you to offer and I appreciate it. At this time however, I would prefer to stick to the resolution that Jeff presented to me and keep this between the two of us. Again, that's a generous offer and I appreciate it.
-X </div></div>
to me, at this point, it looks like you are just out to stick it to cdi, not get the issue resolved. this is just my opinion formed from what i have read in this thread.
after reading this thread, i have found a few vendors that i will use now because of it and a customer that i probably wouldn't do work for if it ever came to that point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dick Davis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black-X, If you decide to keep the stock you have with the way it is inletted, just send the stock and the CDi floorplate back to me and we will clean the rough edges up a bit, taper them down as much as we can and fix all the little chips around the edges. We can probably make it look pretty good. No charge just because you have the intelligence and good taste to buy a McMillan stock in the first place.
Dick </div></div>
Dick, that is kind of you to offer and I appreciate it. At this time however, I would prefer to stick to the resolution that Jeff presented to me and keep this between the two of us. Again, that's a generous offer and I appreciate it.
-X </div></div>
to me, at this point, it looks like you are just out to stick it to cdi, not get the issue resolved. this is just my opinion formed from what i have read in this thread.
after reading this thread, i have found a few vendors that i will use now because of it and a customer that i probably wouldn't do work for if it ever came to that point.
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