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Rifle Scopes WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

sobrbiker883

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Really folks, what happened to asking about people's experience and input on one brand/model or another rather than starting all these Ford vs Chevy debates?
I understand researching products, but I am not seeing a lot of good coming from the "this vs that" BS, maybe its just me.......
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

I see you contributing in the normal way to every one of them, so what is different about that...

people think because they spend "X" amount of money, or they get a "Y" deal they have to cheerlead the hell out of something and that leads to an emotional based back and forth among parties.

It's a friggin scope, who cares what it cost, if you like it and it works for you, leave it at that... instead this brand loyalty craps goes way beyond normal, and people get their nose bent because some how if some one, like me says in my experience NF is the pound for pound champion, they feel I am insulting their decision that lead to them buying a Premier.. which is ridiculous. Then the cheerleader come out in force and goes south from there. If it works for you fine, I have my reasons you have yours, leave it at that.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

Bullshit!!! Tasco for the win
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Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

"Normal way" being bandwagoning, or trying to stay objective within my experience? I do participate in the discussions, but I usually try stick with the latter.

I do applaud good service from good vendors, and I agree wholeheartedly that if the scope fits the intended purpose run it and enjoy it.

Maybe I didn't look far enough back in my posts, but I don't think I've been blindly brand loyal. My experience with optics over the past few years has been directed by what I've found from reviews such as yours and that of other folks that I know use their gear, not marry it.

I've horsetraded and finagled my way from fixed SS's, PR modified FFP Luepy's, B&L's, IOR's, USO's, and this year into a Premier. If I've sounded like I'm married to my Premier I came off wrong, because while there wasn't anything wrong with it it just got traded for a 5-25 USO.

I would like to be in a financial position to try a couple others (esp the new NF's), but I still can't write checks like that. I appreciate this forum as it does expose the consumer to many aspects they would never learn about products if the membership didn't share their experiences. That we have a community where a guy can work his way up from a Savage with a Simmons to a top tier rifle(s) with top tier glass is great too!

I concur with the middle 3 sentences you wrote completely, and must have miscommunicated something to get the first and the last, as nothing was personally directed your way in my original post.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

My point is, I don't see you doing anything in the posts to diffuse it, and just lending to the same drama, which, may not be wrong, you giving your experience, but honestly, to post a "WTF" post about posts you participate in, is sort of like saying, "WTF" am I saying that contributes to the drama, because I am an active participant in them.

I know I add just as much tension as I try to diffuse, but that is because the bandwagoneers are frustrating when they barely use the stuff they are say is the best... and their metric for it being the best is the fact it, 1. costs more than $2k, and 2, it "looks" great, because it is super clear, clearer than any scope they owned before, even though they don't go out and venture beyond their own private range, yet will invest in $15k worth of stuff in one year, but never travel outside their zip code... but they have bought a USO, Premier and S&B in the last 3 months, and as soon as the wife gets her purse, they'll have the Hensoldt they have been after. That annoys me...

But its' not directed directly at you, for anything more than posting a WTF post when you know WTF the answer is...
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

This is like the Super Bowl. I see what LL is saying. I'am surprised some people don't have NF,S&B,or SWFA flags flying from their cars. But it is what it is.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

"this" vs. "that" threads make it easier for the ignorant to make a decision, in lieu of buying, trying & deciding for themselves. Not many are in the position to throw down the cabbage to buy multiple optics for our own side by side comparisons, therefore use the crutch of the Internet to help in that regard. And even if money were no option, those ignorant, yet wanting to learn more shooters, still might lack the knowledge to appreciate the benefits one optic may hold over another for their purposes. That said, I just can't find it in me to look down my nose at a member seeking knowledge via these redundant, potentially annoying, 'product battles'...

Thanks to the deep knowledge base here on the 'Hide, this is a GREAT place to learn. It only makes sense that shooters want to tap into that resource. To the chagrin of some of the more seasoned & knowledgeable members here, the next 'this' vs. 'that' post won't be far off. So decide for yourselves how you'll reply, constructively or otherwise. Or just ignore them altogether...

To relate personally, I've been 'buying & trying' for quite some time now and only recently do I feel like I'm getting the handle on what I LIKE AND WANT from my glass on my different sticks. Yes, I do travel to shoot, oftentimes alone. Primarily, I like to hunt & then kill animals with a rifle. Don't shoot in matches (yet), but I travel nonetheless and enjoy the sport of rifle shooting in my own way. What I am NOT is the guy out at the 100yd public range with my Premiers & NXS's to show up the next guy with his "brand X". I'm up at the farm bangin' home made steel targets to practice better killing what I hunt...

Surely there's some self justification above, but mainly hoping to offer some perspective shared from those who shoot simply for their own enjoyment and from a being member who enjoys sharing some of the knowledge I've learned right here...

Good shootin'!
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

i rarly post a opinion on here since i dont know much. noone i know shoots long range and the nicest scope ive ever looked through was a nikon buckmasters and i dont know anyone who owns a nicer one. ive looked through nf and scopes of that caliber at gun shows but how much can you tell by looking through a scope at 75 yds. i can buy this stuff one time and one time only as finances wont allow me to make the wrong choice. if i do make the wrong choice i just have to live with it. ive posted my share of x vs x threads on scopes and stocks and barrel and done countless searches. but as i said before i buy i have to know im making the right choice and i dont have the option of going to ? and laying behind a mcm stock or looking through a nf at 1000 yds.

thats what is great about these internet forums. i wouldn't be near as far along as i am without these. now ive learned that you have to waid through the "internet experts" that dont know anymore than i do but there is still a ton of knowlege to be gained off this board and i want to get the opinion of the guy who has or has had a nf-uso-leu scopes before spending x amount on one
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

The Hide is a great place to learn. Its like an encyclopedia for the shooting sports(if you know about the Search button)

VS threads are great, until people start cheerleading like said above.





Oh and US debt is now $12,129,073,186,050.29
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

We should just get JBW3, GenIIMildot, Hudisco, Millet, SWFA, LibertyOptics, Sam@Vortex, whoever that NF guy is, and a cabbage-patch doll wearing a S&B t-shirt together and each week they're allowed to vote one member off the island. After all, if the discovery network channels have taught me anything it's that life is only like a box of chocolates if you take the time to rank them 1 thru 15, preferably based on one or two bullshit and mostly arbitrary characteristics. The unwashed masses would love it and we'd each get our chance to be pundits weighing in with "expert" analysis.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">its "Bertrillium-Zantitium" i tell ya........</div></div>

Pistol Pete declined to participate in the show's pilot, citing OPSec at his UPS Distribution center.

 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

LOL! I think this is a great topic.

As a supplier, these threads really can make you crazy! Some information posted can be simply untrue or (believe it or not) intentionally misleading.

I really enjoy good sayings and my experiences have shown me that two are really applicable when doing research on the internet.

1. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink.

2. Figures never lie, but liars can figure.

There are no specific implications with either one of these sayings. They just illustrate that when you rely on information from other’s you are doing just that. That being said, always consider the source. Some are indeed reputable.

Research here is an excellent first step, but people really need to be encouraged to make decisions based on their own research and experiences. There will always be an abundance of varying results using other peoples “data”.

This is the internet after all. The only "results" that are truly verifiable are your own.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really folks, what happened to asking about people's experience and input on one brand/model or another rather than starting all these Ford vs Chevy debates?
I understand researching products, but I am not seeing a lot of good coming from the "this vs that" BS, maybe its just me.......

</div></div>

I found as I read the This vs That threads that I could loosely determine some strengths and weaknesses of the different brand scopes
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.Since many of us can't just go down to the local gun store and handle all these scopes all we can do is "read" and try to make the best of what features,price,warranty,etc we might prefer.
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A little drama here and there makes things interesting don't you think?

Steve
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A little drama here and there makes things interesting don't you think?

</div></div>

No. Hell no. I can not believe how many grown men and women cannot figure out that the drama should have stopped at high-school graduation. We're supposed to be adults now.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A little drama here and there makes things interesting don't you think?

</div></div>

No. Hell no. I can not believe how many grown men and women cannot figure out that the drama should have stopped at high-school graduation. We're supposed to be adults now. </div></div>

You better quit watching TV,going to the movies or going to internet forums then!It ain't gonna stop because people grew up.

Steve
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A little drama here and there makes things interesting don't you think?

</div></div>

No. Hell no. I can not believe how many grown men and women cannot figure out that the drama should have stopped at high-school graduation. We're supposed to be adults now. </div></div>

For Christ's sake what Robert said. +12,135,793,310,677.68 (The amount of the national debt now.)
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

I think its hard to lend anything to most of the "vs" threads, esp once they've spun out of control, that is going to diffuse anything.

The "cognitive dissonance" that makes folks goose step in line behind the newest trend or model does frustrate me, and beyond that we all know the koolaid factor gets spun in heavily. I've voiced before that this has historically been one of the best online communities, and will stay that way if the membership continues to share truthful experience amongst themselves, not just parroting what they read about stuff (made worse when compounded by the vested interest of having spent big bucks).

There are a few brands and vendors that I personally prefer, but thats my tastes and my experiences with the product and the people. Funny part is, the vendors that have treated me best have done so and continue to do so even though I've only actually bought 2 scopes NIB out of what I've had the good fortune to own and use (and they weren't the most expensive I've had for sure). One of these days I may be able to afford a luxury spending spree, and that money will be going to people and companies that treated me well even though I've been a haggling and horsetrading PITA.

There's a little maxim I try to adhere to (when I'm not joking around) and that's "say what you mean, mean what you say, and don't be mean saying it". It keeps my head out of my ass, and my ass out of hot water most of the time. But I am human and can't resist stirring the pot every once in a while.

But on the bright side, due to the internet and multiple forums that help the markets that appeal to big boy toys, there is a plethora of great gear cached across this great land, unused except for pictures, in case its ever really needed
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I guess I did know WTF the answer to my own post was, but wanted to hear other's thoughts on it......
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You better quit watching TV,going to the movies or going to internet forums then!It ain't gonna stop because people grew up.

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Actually I've all but stopped watching TV, there are still a few good movies made nearly every year, and this is the only forum I frequent thanks to a few dozen guys who make it worth reading.

But drama in fiction is at least somewhat understandable, if not my preferred mode of entertainment. Drama in real life is just people acting like 16 yr olds.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You better quit watching TV,going to the movies or going to internet forums then!It ain't gonna stop because people grew up.

</div></div>

Actually I've all but stopped watching TV, there are still a few good movies made nearly every year, and this is the only forum I frequent thanks to a few dozen guys who make it worth reading.

But drama in fiction is at least somewhat understandable, if not my preferred mode of entertainment. Drama in real life is just people acting like 16 yr olds.
</div></div>

I would recommend Antartica.....everyone else is caught in the thick of thin things...
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and a cabbage-patch doll wearing a S&B t-shirt </div></div>

Now that's funny.

Actually, Jasonk is on my "preferred vendor" list, and I'm sure JC can make you a hat!
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

If they stay on topic and are fairly dine with actual observed performance then they add value to those who seek a comparative views.

I was really looking forward to the premier/hensoldt one but it turned to meaningless pulp on statistics as opposed to how the two scopes performed in the hands of the original poster.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HuDisCo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL! I think this is a great topic.

As a supplier, these threads really can make you crazy! Some information posted can be simply untrue or (believe it or not) intentionally misleading.

I really enjoy good sayings and my experiences have shown me that two are really applicable when doing research on the internet.

1. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink.

2. Figures never lie, but liars can figure.

There are no specific implications with either one of these sayings. They just illustrate that when you rely on information from other’s you are doing just that. That being said, always consider the source. Some are indeed reputable.

Research here is an excellent first step, but people really need to be encouraged to make decisions based on their own research and experiences. There will always be an abundance of varying results using other peoples “data”.

This is the internet after all. The only "results" that are truly verifiable are your own.</div></div>

You know, this is all true, BUT - how am I supposed to get any experinence with a Hensoldt when the nearest seller with a store is a few hundred miles away? I'm not suggesting this is YOUR problem to solve, rather it's mine, but the only real means of my trying to do that is to come to places like SH.

That's why, if done right, proper comparative tests of performance would be hugely beneficial. The rather banal statement of 'get what works for you' is useless if you don't know what works before you've never tried it before....

I think what would help make future reviews more useful is if a standard (admittedly arbitrary) set of metrics could be used and each scope scored according to the same metrics. Saying in a XvsY thread that X has great glass but then not making a real comparison to Y is useless.

I've phoned a couple of the dealers listed on the Hudisco site and asked for their views and they either know about S&B but not Premiers or some combination therein. Not their fault and not a criticism at all, just articulating the challenge some of us have in trying to get informed views so that we can make up our own minds.

Sorry that this comes across as a bitching post, but it's more intended as a suggestion of how reviews in future can be genuinely fair and useful to support informed buying decisions and maybe even stem the tide of BS and abstract postulating.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they stay on topic and are fairly dine with actual observed performance then they add value to those who seek a comparative views.

I was really looking forward to the premier/hensoldt one but it turned to meaningless pulp on statistics as opposed to how the two scopes performed in the hands of the original poster. </div></div>

I agree with you. I find most the this vs that scope threads interesting. I am new to this game and don't have any place local to view and test things out for myself. I have to learn by reading what is posted here and on other sites.

I also agree with many others here that people get emotionally invested in their purchase because that scope might be the one high end scope they have ever owned and they don't want to feel they made a poor choice. You take this and combine it with people not wanting to admit when they have made a mistake and the fact that the conversation is not face to face and you end up in a big pissing contest where people say things they would never dream of in real life.

As a side note, just because you have seen or read a review does not mean you know what you are talking about. I have been on this site and active for almost three years now and have less than 200 posts because I realize that others know more than me and just because I have read something on here does not mean that I know what I am talking about.

This is one of the best forums on the net because of the lack of fan boys; unfortunately, that is starting to change over the last year and things are becoming more and more like arfcom.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

This is the problem.

Here is an honest question pointed to the post above. What do you expect to "see" that might be different between the 3 scopes and do you honestly believe it would be anything more than a single opinion.

You have to understand what you are talking about. The idea that if you bought anyone of those you would be disappointed. Your question is trying to ask others to satisfy you personal values in something that is clearly different than mine. If you can't decide based on the cannon of what has been posted, it's because you don't understand the product, the application or what you want. There are videos of the Hensoldt in action and at night. You can see it and hear the commentary.

This is the root of the problem. People want Gucci but not to wear and only if it looks better than Dolce & Gabbana.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LineStitch needs to make up a series of hats that say "My preferred vendor is JasonK"
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LMAO...I'm truly honored to be mentioned in what I'm sure will be an epic thread.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

Okay something people have to consider, and think of it like buying a car. YOU as the end user need to have your OWN set of metrics on what is important, and how it will impact your particular style of shooting. If you don't know what you want, or what you need you can't make a decision... cause a lot of people are talking about buying a car because they like the windshield or the headlights, meanwhile they bought a pickup truck to take 4 kids to school.

So, some of the things to look at, or what I look at...

1. Immediately, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Reliability</span></span>, does the scope have a history of reliable service. Can it take the abuse I know I am going to give it.

2. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Accuracy</span></span>, both with the reticle subtensions and the turrets, regardless of the unit of measurement. Does the scope track, and track successfully to match the reticle. Will it hold zero, despite the abuse and are the clicks tactile and spaced out wide enough for me to feel them without looking.

3. Magnification, the more I shoot the less magnification I want, that is not to say I don't want some, but in many cases, I want between 3X and 16X, only for specialty rifles do I want more than 20X... but that is MY personal thinking on the matter. Does it satisfy this for me.

4. Eye relief, I want a forgiving eye relief. I know I am going to shoot from alternate positions and my cheek weld will change. Because it will change I need edge to edge clarity in the optic so I can continue to hit where the reticle is pointed.

5. Turrets, do they have a zero stop, is it settable, or pre-defined. Is the parallax adjustment responsive, even with rings on. Does the maker include the same type of scope with both MOA and Mils and does the adjustment range make sense. I also can decide if I want a single turn knob or if I am doing little more than casual shooting is a multi turn turret fine. In this area I am also going to consider if the scope will work on a flat base or not, do I am need an aggressive cant in my base, things of that nature. Will it worth to 1000 yards with a 308 on flat based AR10 or do I need to put an angle under it.

6. Reticles, what are my choices and what is important to me. I use Mils so having more than one choice in a mil reticle is important. Again they must match the turrets and be accurate.

7. And for me lastly, I am looking at size and weight, I want to keep the size to a reasonable level and the weight somewhere in the middle. If the scope is a bit shorter with a little larger objective, that might be a plus, if its long and lean, maybe not so much depending on what rifle I going to put it on.

Then, when it is all said and done, I look at what it costs, where i can get it and who is specifically selling it to me. In some cases where I can buy it will trump how much I am willing to pay for it.

But in all, I have to know what i am going to use it for, primarily and I don't engage in maybe or what ifs, I suppose if you are only going to have one rifle set up with the most features across the board I would consider a what if, but generally each has its purpose. I like the 3-12X / 3-15X scopes because its a general all around player, 20X + is a one off, game gun thing, not for everyday use in my case. These are things I think about... as should you and frankly I can't make these decisions for you, nobody should.

Finally, you don't see anything about glass in there... I don't give a shit, I am working from the best of the bunch, so glass is going to be a virtual or statistical dead heat... all I care about here is the site picture. These things are important to me...
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the problem.

Here is an honest question pointed to the post above. What do you expect to "see" that might be different between the 3 scopes and do you honestly believe it would be anything more than a single opinion. </div></div>

Of course it's always an opinion, but in your case, seeing as using different scopes and rifles is a big part of your job then your opinion is a valid one or at least one worth considering.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You have to understand what you are talking about. The idea that if you bought anyone of those you would be disappointed. Your question is trying to ask others to satisfy you personal values in something that is clearly different than mine. </div></div>

Why would you say this? Rather, what I and the other guy are saying is that we seek some measure across the board by which to form our personal values on. I'm not trying to outsource my due diligence to you, I'm trying to find a framework in which to perform my due diligence with the disadvantage of not being able to handle, look through, mount and test the scopes myself. Of course it's not perfect, of course it places a weight of opinion of what you or other reviewers say, but hey, if I could do all that stuff myself I wouldn't need SH and I dare say fewer others would and you'd not have a site with sponsorship and a revenue stream that allows you to get equipment sent to you to test and play with to get first hand experience. Am I jealous? Heck yeah!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can't decide based on the cannon of what has been posted, it's because you don't understand the product, the application or what you want. There are videos of the Hensoldt in action and at night. You can see it and hear the commentary.</div></div>

In my case, this is pretty true. I'm a noob to scopes. Hence why I came here to learn. Hence why comparative reviews are the best ones for me. When someone says 'wow, the clicks are precise and they show for example the target(s) used for tracking testing between scope A and Scope B then I can see that yes, scope A costing $900 tracks as well as scope B for $2500. But then, when you show the difference in the ability to get a full sight picture between the two and that scope B is much better in this regards I can determine the differences in the two and decide which one is better suited for me. However, if you only say, 'the site picture is so-so in terms of ease to attain and there is no comparison to another scope I don't, as a noob, have a term of reference to understand what that means in practicality.

Remember, I'm just saying fair comparative tests using standard metrics (whatever they may be, but they must be consistently used in every test) are very useful for education.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> is the root of the problem. People want Gucci but not to wear and only if it looks better than Dolce & Gabbana. </div></div>

I only wish this were true. My wife wants both. In copious quantities. Hence why I can't afford to buy PH, S&B AND Hensoldt and so need something to help me decide which is best for me.....
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BTW - thanks for the site!
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay something people have to consider, and think of it like buying a car. YOU as the end user need to have your OWN set of metrics on what is important, and how it will impact your particular style of shooting. If you don't know what you want, or what you need you can't make a decision... cause a lot of people are talking about buying a car because they like the windshield or the headlights, meanwhile they bought a pickup truck to take 4 kids to school.

So, some of the things to look at, or what I look at...

1. Immediately, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Reliability</span></span>, does the scope have a history of reliable service. Can it take the abuse I know I am going to give it.

2. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Accuracy</span></span>, both with the reticle subtensions and the turrets, regardless of the unit of measurement. Does the scope track, and track successfully to match the reticle. Will it hold zero, despite the abuse and are the clicks tactile and spaced out wide enough for me to feel them without looking.

3. Magnification, the more I shoot the less magnification I want, that is not to say I don't want some, but in many cases, I want between 3X and 16X, only for specialty rifles do I want more than 20X... but that is MY personal thinking on the matter. Does it satisfy this for me.

4. Eye relief, I want a forgiving eye relief. I know I am going to shoot from alternate positions and my cheek weld will change. Because it will change I need edge to edge clarity in the optic so I can continue to hit where the reticle is pointed.

5. Turrets, do they have a zero stop, is it settable, or pre-defined. Is the parallax adjustment responsive, even with rings on. Does the maker include the same type of scope with both MOA and Mils and does the adjustment range make sense. I also can decide if I want a single turn knob or if I am doing little more than casual shooting is a multi turn turret fine. In this area I am also going to consider if the scope will work on a flat base or not, do I am need an aggressive cant in my base, things of that nature. Will it worth to 1000 yards with a 308 on flat based AR10 or do I need to put an angle under it.

6. Reticles, what are my choices and what is important to me. I use Mils so having more than one choice in a mil reticle is important. Again they must match the turrets and be accurate.

7. And for me lastly, I am looking at size and weight, I want to keep the size to a reasonable level and the weight somewhere in the middle. If the scope is a bit shorter with a little larger objective, that might be a plus, if its long and lean, maybe not so much depending on what rifle I going to put it on.

Then, when it is all said and done, I look at what it costs, where i can get it and who is specifically selling it to me. In some cases where I can buy it will trump how much I am willing to pay for it.

But in all, I have to know what i am going to use it for, primarily and I don't engage in maybe or what ifs, I suppose if you are only going to have one rifle set up with the most features across the board I would consider a what if, but generally each has its purpose. I like the 3-12X / 3-15X scopes because its a general all around player, 20X + is a one off, game gun thing, not for everyday use in my case. These are things I think about... as should you and frankly I can't make these decisions for you, nobody should.

Finally, you don't see anything about glass in there... I don't give a shit, I am working from the best of the bunch, so glass is going to be a virtual or statistical dead heat... all I care about here is the site picture. These things are important to me... </div></div>

Not wanting to kiss your arse - but this should be a sticky post on a 'how to choose what you need for a scope'.

Many thanks!
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

Note that if you're on a budget, and shooting at a target range, you can make do with almost any scope that subtends properly and tracks.

Even the cheap(er) scopes available today far surpass in quality much of what I used on military rifles decades ago.

Precision tactical rifle shooting is still a use-what-you-have sport, and not yet an equipment race. Until the top shooters are winning matches with almost clean scores, a properly bedded .308 R700 with a 10x SS, in the right hands, can still carry the day.

As an example, you will see pics on this site of MontanaMarine's rifle with a Super Sniper scope on it. It's a scope that works very well for him to 1600 yards-plus. I still can't shoot as well as he can at that distance despite much more expensive equipment.

It reminds me of all the griping I heard in IPSC from shooters who didn't have top-zoot custom .45's; that is, until a South African shooter won the worlds with an almost stock pistol and hardball ammo. It would probably not be possible today, but it was then.

Buy what you need. Upgrade when a deal comes your way or when you come into a bit of money. Spend the time shooting what you have. Learn what you want more of in a scope, and what you can do without.

I still shoot matches with a SFP and no zero stop, none of which are reasons why I shoot poorly on some stages.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

We're not saying that there should be no info about scopes on here. Hell, LL produces friggin video reviews of the things all the time. The point is that the "this vs that" threads are pointless questions. If you want to pic out a quality scope then find out about each scope. Get as much info as you can. LL's reviews (and others) are a great help for this, they give you info you can't get just looking at the marketing blurb on SWFA's webpage. He shoots video and takes pictures letting you see all vantage points and perspectives. All that is great.

But there is no reason to then take than info and try to rank it against another quality scope. The scopes each have different characteristics and quirks and price points and it is up to YOU to decide which ones you like and want to pay for. I have lots of people ask me which laptop they should buy. I tell them go to the store, try them, and buy the one you like. Any name-brand laptop is going to be quality and plenty to get the job done. It comes down to what kind of keyboard do you want, how portable vs big screen, what kind of pointing device, etc etc. You don't need to RANK those things because a plus for one person might be a minus (or simply a non-issue) for another. Comparing issues like processor speed or hard drive size or any crap like that is as pointless as soccer mom's comparing 1/4mile times for their minivans. Anyone who needs someone else to tell them which high-end gear to buy doesn't really have a need for high-end gear.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shadysmitty68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is like the Super Bowl. I see what LL is saying. I'am surprised some people don't have NF,S&B,or <span style="font-weight: bold">SWFA flags flying from their cars</span>. But it is what it is. </div></div>

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Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

I can honestly say that ALL of my scope purchases since I joined the Hide in 2002 have been influenced by the hide, from bottom to top. At every level from $150 to 3k+ I made my decision based on the hide. I can also say that as a result I have NEVER made a bad scope purchase. Each and every one has met my needs and wallet at the time. The real key is spending enough time silently reading and learning who to listen to. There are a significant number of members here that I have simply accepted they will have forgotten more than I will ever learn on the subject and so those inputs from those indididuals have great value to me. When it comes to the this vs that threads, I always took that as 95% bench racing with a useful nugget of info here and there when it comes to finding out a feature that seperates one from the other. I think the real issue pointed out already is emotional investment in hunks of metal, glass and plastic. Funny though that those who are truly experienced seem to always lack 2 things, caring what anyone else thinks of what they use and any emotional investment in the tool.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay something people have to consider, and think of it like buying a car. YOU as the end user need to have your OWN set of metrics on what is important, and how it will impact your particular style of shooting. [...] </div></div>


Not wanting to kiss your arse - but this should be a sticky post on a 'how to choose what you need for a scope'.
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I can't tell if you're being ironic or not.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no irony.</div></div>

a shame.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no irony.</div></div>

a shame.
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lol! Why?
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't tell if you're being ironic or not.</div></div>He could have been being sarcastic, which according to some is a form of irony, but irony itself is usually a result and not a state of being.
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Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't tell if you're being ironic or not.</div></div>He could have been being sarcastic, which according to some is a form of irony, but irony itself is usually a result and not a state of being.
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Alright, but then how do I refer to someone who intentionally seeks to create a state of irony? Beauty is a state. Sometimes it forms naturally, sometimes it is created by an artist. Irony can also be an art.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, but then how do I refer to someone who intentionally seeks to create a state of irony?</div></div>That would be a smart-ass.
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Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no irony.</div></div>

a shame.
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lol! Why?</div></div>

The man posts a diatribe attempting to argue that scope selection is a matter of personal choice and need, and your response is to request that his list of personal choices be earmarked as a reference for others.

If you'd intended this to be witty or to create an ironic situation then I would have wanted to add you to my "Watched Users" list in hopes that future posts from you would continue to be amusing and somewhat enlightened.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

yeah, because it's always wise to enter into someone else's house and take a shit on his living room floor.....

I can live with failing to be a source of amusement for you...
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I can live with failing to be a source of amusement for you...</div></div>

Never give up. Worst case you can take home a participation ribbon.
 
Re: WTF with all the "this VS that" optics threads?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I can live with failing to be a source of amusement for you...</div></div>

Never give up. Worst case you can take home a participation ribbon.

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that's funny.... damn you!