Those turrets should be a hit with the over 50 boomer crowd as they shouldn't have a hard time reading those numbers without a magnifier in front lol
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ZEISS Presents All-New LRP S5 - FFP Riflescopes for Long-Range Precision Shooting and Hunting
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Now Zeiss will be one of my first stops at Shot Show in 2022. The scope looks good just need to see it up close to really get a fell for it.
Hi,
What is pretty funny is that pretty much nobody said a whisper about the BEAST turrets way back when it came out.......you know...because of the NF worshipping back then.
And as soon as Zeiss would have put a locking elevation turret someone would have complained about having to take the extra 1.763 seconds to unlock it.
Sincerely,
Theis
What is pretty funny is that pretty much nobody said a whisper about the BEAST turrets way back when it came out.......you know...because of the NF worshipping back then.
And as soon as Zeiss would have put a locking elevation turret someone would have complained about having to take the extra 1.763 seconds to unlock it.
Sincerely,
Theis
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All joking aside, I like the negative space elements
that they have in the first 2mill off centre.
Here we have a floating dot .5 mil mark,
less prominent in some ways than a big(ger) hash marks
but a classic aiming point still prominant visually/mentally
let see if it work in practice.
that they have in the first 2mill off centre.
Here we have a floating dot .5 mil mark,
less prominent in some ways than a big(ger) hash marks
but a classic aiming point still prominant visually/mentally
let see if it work in practice.
Indeed.... Proof that marketing wins, even if your product comes out of LOW like a bunch of other stuff. Good to see
Zeiss finally make something appropriate for our needs. I do miss my ole Henny 4-16, so friendly to use for long sessions.
Idk the failure rates seem pretty low. I’d say a solid product marketed well has something to do with it.
if marketing won, vortex and the best warranty you are going to use would be number 1
I have to correct you there. I got in many a internet scuffle here over how stupid the beast turret was.
Never had a scuffle in person though. Just never ran into one of the five people that bought one. Most came to their senses and bought an ATACR.
The 5-25x56 looks pretty awesome. Finally CCW turrets as well.
If they get rid of the hold-over tree part of the reticle, I know a few guys at the club that will be falling over each other to get one.
If they get rid of the hold-over tree part of the reticle, I know a few guys at the club that will be falling over each other to get one.
people waited so long for zeiss FFP scope because nobody liked hensoldt reticles, but were all fascinated of their famous quality, best glass and 'get it behind the scope'.
zeiss is producing hensoldt riflescopes, so you cant say that this is early stage of their FFP product
That's an interesting observation and it would explain why Meopta has not really been pushing their MeoTac product line.
However, the 3-12x50 MeoTac is a 4x erector. These are 5x erector systems, so the scope design is clearly different. There is some visual resemblance and, honestly, if Zeiss had Meopta build this for them, it would not be a bad thing at all. Meopta is capable of making exceptionally nice stuff and at this price a Meopta built product would be absolutely world class.
That having been said, the product page for these rather explicitly says "designed, engineered and manufactured in Germany", if memory serves me right. There is some leeway in terms of terminology, but it sounds pretty specific.
I will reach out to Zeiss and see if they have a 3-18x50 I can borrow for the new 50mm High End comparison I am working on.
ILya
Hensoldt was sold to Airbus quite a few years ago and then spun off as a separate company. I do not think Zeiss has much to do with Hensoldt at this stage and riflescopes is a miniscule part of what Hensoldt does.
ILya
That's an ongoing discussion, sort of. I have ZCO 4-20x50, TT315M, S&B 5-20x50 Ultra Short and US Optics 3.2-17x50 here. I have a couple of good quality $1500-ish scopes to use for background: Razor HD-LHT 4.5-22x50 and Element Nexus 5-20x50.
Ideally, it would be good to get my hands on the Kahles 3-18x50, but it is unlikely given that reaching out to Kahles has been consistently unsuccessful in the past. and I do not think they are itching to rekindle this relationship.
Same for the 4-20x50 ATACR, I liked the scope when I saw it at CompExpo, but I have not been able to get anyone from Nightforce to reply to me for a couple of years at least.
This new 3-18x50 Zeiss would fit right in if I can get my hands on one. I do not have any sort of a relationship with Zeiss, so I am going to get a contact from a friend of mine and see if this is a possibility.
I am also going to ping Steiner to see if they have a M7Xi 2.9-20x50 I can borrow.
ILya
Looks interesting and I would love to try one, but gotta sell something first. MY constructive criticism: Why the fuck does it seem everyone uses non 10 mil turrets?! Especially those built in countries that use the metric system. You would think they would understand the intuitiveness that a base 10 system provides. Plus it makes the turrets super simple to read. Rant off
alot of peoply tried to fling 308 win waaaay to far back in the day
Because there is a LOT more to designing a turret than the one aspect of click spacing for easier visibility. Let me explain a bit from our perspective. We (ZCO) have 35 Mils of internal travel. Our turret wasn't designed to move upward as you crank on more and more elevation. So to get 35 Mils of elevation travel, if we had 10 mil turrets, we would then need 3.5 rotations of the turret. Our chosen design uses an elevating rotation indicator pin on top of the turret, so then we'd need to engineer in even more room for a taller pin to extend up three different heights. This would lead to a taller elevation turret, which we didn't want to have. Also, is the engraving. If we (ZCO) used 10 mil turrets, we'd have over three rows of numbers engraved on the turret itself, which would then necessitate smaller numbering to fit them all on there.
So instead of the one aspect of wider click spacing for easier viewing, we made our turret as wide as we could, spaced the clicks out as much as we could, used a 15 mil/turn, and ended up with two rows of numbers around the perimeter (which we could then make pretty large for easier viewing) and we put the final 5 mils of elevation up top. We kept our turret very low profile as a result and it doesn't move upward as you add elevation.
Those are more of the design aspects that we need to take into account from an engineering side of things. Hopefully that makes sense why some manufacturers, and specifically here at ZCO (I know this is a Zeiss thread but might help to answer "why" they didn't also), haven't used 10 mil / turn turrets. There's a lot going on to think about for the overall design.
i've never been a fan of any of ZCO's reticle designs, though i could live with their #2 if i had to. I'll wait till milehigh gets these in stock , then make a decision, it has delayed my decision for a ZCO for now though. Spending this much , i don't need to get in a hurry
I don't dislike the turret height but it reminds me of my Gen 1 razor that I have a few of still.
Not even a close comparison glass wise lol
Please join the discussion and the reasoning behind your (wrong) opinion
MPCT3 is the best Reticle
If you disagree you’re wrong. https://www.snipershide.com/precision-rifle/zero-compromise-mpct3-reticle-detailed-explanation/ I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you
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not sure but i think they are still in the same place; zeiss and hensoldt. same building, same factory. just 2 different owners, different floors. to hensoldt you are not allowed to go, zeiss yes.
There is definitely a huge design resemblance between a hensoldt 4-16 LT and a zeiss diavari. Zeiss definitely helped design that scope when when hensoldt was owned by Zeiss. I assume the 3.5-26x was also heavily influenced by Zeiss. if this LRP is anything like my hensoldt 4-16 LT CCW ill have to get one.
That's the CANADIAN MAP pricing. Quite a bit more (in US$ terms) than the US MAP pricing, as Canada uses a 3rd party distributor, which unfortunately adds an extra layer of cost.
I appreciate the behind the scenes perspective. I am shooting a ZCO right now, and the turret is one of the few things I would change. The gen 2 razor has multiple turns w/ a rev indicator, but you certainly have better glass. The need for multiple rows of numbers is moot on a 10 mil turret, a base 10 is extremely intuitive and no calculations are required like a 12+ turret. Plus if you're dialed much beyond 10 mils there isn't much need for speed, you're most likely shooting ELR and aren't rushed for time like you are under 10 mils at a PRS/NRL event. I appreciate your contribution to my favorite hobby/addiction, so please don't take this as an argumentative post. I am just throwing out my redneck opinion/feedback. Keep on keeping on
Yeah honestly a 10 mil turret doesn’t need extra numbers, just a second rev indicator. If you’re in the second rev and can’t figure out what 4 mils equals you’ve got bigger issues. Not to mention how rarely people even go beyond 10 mils.
I talked to Zeiss. If all goes well, I should have my hands on the 3-18x50 version toward the beginning of December.
ILya
ILya
Pity I can't lend you one sooner Ilya - I should have mine sometime early November with some luck...
I've been looking at the ZCO line and just starting looking at this new Zeiss with fluorite coating. One thing that kind of bothers me is the center only illumination, and that is probably because of my newbie status. I don't know if fluorite is used as a coating on ZCO, but for telescopes, it can be easily damaged with the wrong cleaning procedures.
I also don't want to be the beta tester for something that will not hit the market for awhile. I lean toward the ZCO due to the length of time it has been out there.
I also don't want to be the beta tester for something that will not hit the market for awhile. I lean toward the ZCO due to the length of time it has been out there.
Good call. With a startup company like Zeiss, you are really rolling the dice.
Now now. No needed to get snarkey and snippy. I wasn't referring to Zeiss as something new, but so far as this new scope, yeah I'll wait for the in the field reviews here on the Hide. Been down the road of buying the latest and greatest, only to find out that it ain't so great.
Zeiss has used these coating on a variety of scopes and binoculars in the past. They add a hard scratch resistant coating on top.
ILya
there is no flourite coating, just lences with fluorite, which are more fragile.
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