Rifle Scopes Zero Compromise Optic update

[Squibbler]

It may not be any ONE specific thing that sets us apart, but a combination. We are offering a feature set that is near comprehensive for what shooters have been looking for; locking turrets, Return 2 Zero that offers 0.5 mil below, large adjustment range (35 mils elevation/20 mils windage), easy reset turrets and R2Z, low profile and wide diameter turrets with 15 mils in one rotation with wider spaced clicks, larger engraving for easier readability, locking diopter, nice mil based reticles with 0.2 mil indications throughout and floating dot, advanced illumination system offering user selectable red or green, and an optical performance that we firmly believe will be the best in the industry. We weren't trying to reinvent a new scope or technology, just provide a superior product with a feature set and performance at the very top of the industry.

We are very excited to get these out "in the wild" but are doing our due diligence in assembly, testing, and QC before anything ships out. Again, we appreciate everybody's patience, we are working as hard as we can and apologize for the delays.

 

[The King]

This may be the finest rifle scope ever made. problem is, I have the third finest riflescope made, or the fourth. Or both. And it beats the shit out of the problem I bought it to solve, which is 2km.

As such, I need something in the next order of magnitude to make me move from the ATACR. There is no way moving from the atacr is going do more for me than getting the new terrapin X or another barrels worth of ammo.

King - unlike FOM in NV, there isn't an objective measure for tracking, optical clarity, reticle design, etc. in scopes, so there isn't a $/metric value you can assign.

I have nothing to do with ZCO but have been involved in tech development in the medical field for years. The figure of merit for a ZCO, or other scope, is going to be written in user feedback and feel on forums like this and others. Requiring titanically different performance seems too high a bar.

However, your last comment does hit a truth - that being that any new product has to offer a relative value proposition. Perhaps the erector mechanism in the 36 mm tube works better, perhaps the glass has a different coating that is more color true. I have no idea, but I'm hoping that the composite product is a net add.

Obviously, I cannot speak for the community that we are looking for this particular product. But, at the same time, it seems a common theme that we're all looking for improvements in ourselves, our equipment and our performance.

 

[468shot]

.036 mil.

Found it here: https://www.facebook.com/ZCompOptic...0.1538574771./159829514667360/?type=3&theater

What's the size on center dot?

 

[bjay]

.036 mil.

Found it here: https://www.facebook.com/ZCompOptic...0.1538574771./159829514667360/?type=3&theater

I like it better than .075 gen3xr

 

[CSTactical]

Looking for feedback from customer's looking for rings and mounts for ZCO
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/zero-compromise-optic-ring-and-mount-options.6905165/

 

[468shot]

I like it better than .075 gen3xr

I agree, .075 is way to large for my preferences. Even the .05 dot in the H59 is a little on the thick side.

 

[bjay]

I agree, .075 is way to large for my preferences. Even the .05 dot in the H59 is a little on the thick side.

Either gen4xr not too far behind or re-design reticle before releasing...

 

[Dthomas3523]

Either gen4xr not too far behind or re-design reticle before releasing...

I’d like to see it released as a .05 as well.

 

[Macdaddy]

Bad "press" for having to wait too long for a product is a hell of a lot better than bad "press" for having shoved something out the door that is defective.

A company can eventually get past the first one, however, bad press for putting out a bad product (even if eventually fixed ) can ruin a company's reputation forever.

 

[Yerman]

What's the size on center dot?

This.

Also, how many mils down can you see for holdovers and various magnifications?

 

[Glassaholic]

This.

Also, how many mils down can you see for holdovers and various magnifications?

http://www.zcompoptic.com/uploads/8/5/5/6/85562384/400-102_absehen-ausschnitt_.png

 

[nick338]

I believe he was asking at what power do you lose the ability to see the entire reticle for holdovers.

 

[3alarmfire1301]

Commenting for updates!

 

[gebhardt02]

At 27x there is 7.2 mils down from center on the reticle. At 5x there is 34 mils visible below center. Hope that helps

 

[vonbalkenbush]

Perhaps I missed this on the youtube vids and info on the company website, but do these scopes have a rev indicator built into the elevation turret? Or was that problem solved a different way?

 

[kurpak]

Perhaps I missed this on the youtube vids and info on the company website, but do these scopes have a rev indicator built into the elevation turret? Or was that problem solved a different way?

They do yes @1:40:

 

[vonbalkenbush]

Awesome, thank you.

 

[Glassaholic]

They do yes @1:40:

Dang, watching that video got me excited about the ZCO again, I have the ZC420 on preorder so it will come after the 527's but I can't wait to get my hands on one...

 

[jakelly]

These seem like a legitimate contender to become Primal Rights’ second product line.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Have the select individuals and dealers received the first batch yet?

 

[gebhardt02]

Not yet, sorry.

 

[craigos]

Not yet, sorry.

unexpected delays? Not being an ass, just trying to guessitmate if i can wait further or buy alternative glass

 

[gebhardt02]

I really don't want to hazard another guess, but shouldn't be much longer at all. We feel bad enough about not getting these out already.

 

[The Dakota Sniper]

I really don't want to hazard another guess, but shouldn't be much longer at all. We feel bad enough about not getting these out already.

Don't feel bad, just throw in a extra sticker or two in my box and we can call it good.

 

[Yerman]

At 27x there is 7.2 mils down from center on the reticle. At 5x there is 34 mils visible below center. Hope that helps

A couple more reticle questions...

1. Do you have details on the reticle that include width of the lines?
2. How far down does the tree go? Does it max out at 12 mils and just a vertical line after that?

 

[The Dakota Sniper]

A couple more reticle questions...

1. Do you have details on the reticle that include width of the lines?
2. How far down does the tree go? Does it max out at 12 mils and just a vertical line after that?

Here you go.....


Sincerely a ZCO fan

 

[Basher]

A couple more reticle questions...

1. Do you have details on the reticle that include width of the lines?
2. How far down does the tree go? Does it max out at 12 mils and just a vertical line after that?

And for all of your other questions:

http://bfy.tw/KL24

 

[kurpak]

Their product catalog shows more detailed images of the reticles, it looks like they extend all the way out to the 35 mils of adjustment range, here's a screen grab.

 

[gebhardt02]

Line thickness is 0.034 mil. Dot diameter is 0.036 mil.

 

[Kickin45]

Good lord I love glass!!!!

 

[withoutwarning]

Look epic.
Hopefully once all is said and done you look at a lower mag option that’s a bit lighter.
Looking forward to seeing reviews on these once they hit the shelves.

 

[Moose]

Im so looking forward to the 4X20.Been saving my cash since shot show and I'm almost there.

 

[ND Precision Rifle]

Line thickness is 0.034 mil. Dot diameter is 0.036 mil.

Do these tunnel like S&B?

Could you post or have intentions to post a video going through the magnification levels?

 

[Glassaholic]

Do these tunnel like S&B?

While anything could happen, I highly doubt any newly designed scope by any reputable manufacturer is going to accept a design that tunnels like the Schmidt 5-25 does, the Schmidt's issues with tunneling have been well documented and fixed with newer models from even Schmidt. You have to remember that the Schmidt 5-25 was basically the pioneer of the design years ago and most mfr's have improved upon that (with regard to tunneling). I do not expect we'll see any kind of significant tunneling with the ZCO scopes.

 

[gebhardt02]

Our scopes do not tunnel at the low mag ranges.

 

[ND Precision Rifle]

While anything could happen, I highly doubt any newly designed scope by any reputable manufacturer is going to accept a design that tunnels like the Schmidt 5-25 does, the Schmidt's issues with tunneling have been well documented and fixed with newer models from even Schmidt. You have to remember that the Schmidt 5-25 was basically the pioneer of the design years ago and most mfr's have improved upon that (with regard to tunneling). I do not expect we'll see any kind of significant tunneling with the ZCO scopes.

I agree, unfortunately I bought the Schmidt without having hands on it and I was disappointed.

I’m kinda doing the same thing here.

Had to ask.

Thanks.

 

[nick338]

Our scopes do not tunnel at the low mag ranges.

Obviously you guys are just as anxious to get these out to the market as we are to get them but is there any talk about anything in the future like a lightweight 2-12 for gas guns? I'm sure if these are as successful as we all hope they are we will be screaming for more.

 

[K_4c]

I’d just like a realistic time frame if a guy was going to put done coin tomorrow....

 

[Dthomas3523]

I’d just like a realistic time frame if a guy was going to put done coin tomorrow....

Do what I’m doing. Start saving for it and keep saving. If it’s not out once I have enough for a TT or an AI-AX, buy that.

 

[Renomd]

I’ll tell you this, save your $$$ I’ve stopped spending. This release WILL be HUGE, and this scope will be incredible.... period. I have one on preorder I might acquire two depending on how the first goEs....HUGE!

 

[bjay]

I’ll tell you this, save your $$$ I’ve stopped spending. This release WILL be HUGE, and this scope will be incredible.... period. I have one on preorder I might acquire two depending on how the first goEs....HUGE!

Whos taking pre order?

 

[Renomd]

Whos taking pre order?

@CSTactical but they stopped awhile back Bc they had a ton. I think milehigh stopped too awhile back.

 

[bjay]

@CSTactical but they stopped awhile back Bc they had a ton. I think milehigh stopped too awhile back.

I tried both but since they dont have msrp yet and ETA its a missed at the moment

 

[gebhardt02]

@nick338, No, we haven't discussed that style of scope just yet. We are doing everything we can just to get these two models wrapped up and into full production.

 

[Renomd]

I tried both but since they dont have msrp yet and ETA its a missed at the moment

Ah, I just did a 10% estimated deposit. You should call @CSTactical and ask Richard if there’s still availability. I think they shut the list down though.

 

[K_4c]

I have the money...I’m ready to buy.

 

[nick338]

@nick338, No, we haven't discussed that style of scope just yet. We are doing everything we can just to get these two models wrapped up and into full production.

I figured as much, just trying to plant that seed and think ahead, since we all love new gear!

Can't wait for this release though...

 

[ND Precision Rifle]

Ah, I just did a 10% estimated deposit. You should call @CSTactical and ask Richard if there’s still availability. I think they shut the list down though.

I’m going to guess both MHSA and CS Tactical shut the list down because the release date is months behind...not because people were throwing their money at them.

I don’t see the point of a pre order since we have no release date I’m the foreseeable future.

What’s the issue? Funding, part sourcing, waiting for after October for Taxes or some shit?
This train better not be going down the same path that the whole Hudson 9 peeps did...

I’ve tried hard to be a Believer but without any product it’s tough to keep chasing a unicorn.

 

[CSTactical]

I’m going to guess both MHSA and CS Tactical shut the list down because the release date is months behind...not because people were throwing their money at them.

I don’t see the point of a pre order since we have no release date I’m the foreseeable future.

What’s the issue? Funding, part sourcing, waiting for after October for Taxes or some shit?
This train better not be going down the same path that the whole Hudson 9 peeps did...

I’ve tried hard to be a Believer but without any product it’s tough to keep chasing a unicorn.

Well it's a combo of both, I wouldn't feel comfortable with 50+ pre-orders back in January without a firm release date. But a dozen or more people wanted to pay up front in full for one or more

 

[koshkin]

I've said it before and I guess I'll re-iterate it again.

Give them time. Introducing a new scope to the market is easy when you go to an OEM and tell them what specs you want. It is really difficult when you are doing it in-house.

I expect the scope to be good, but I am not placing any unreasonable expectations on it and I do not think it is wise to speculate too much on how exactly it will perform.

All the people who are in a rush to buy one, are in a rush because of the people involved. You trust them to make a worthwhile product. Well, how about you give them the time to do it right?

ILya