SOLD Bix N Andy tac sport Pro X, RH, single stage
- By GIShunter
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How is 7PRC better than 7 Rem Mag?
- By KCode
- Bolt Action Rifles
- 65 Replies
I was looking at possibly getting a 7 Rem Mag rifle but then I just decided to look at the 7 PRC. The 7 Rem Mag has more case capacity for power, uses the same bullet sizes, but I was watching a video and saw this and the PRC is kicking it's butt.
Was thinking of grabbing a Bergara B-14 HMR for $900. Would that be about the best 7 PRC rifle for under $1000?
Was thinking of grabbing a Bergara B-14 HMR for $900. Would that be about the best 7 PRC rifle for under $1000?
I just picked up an Armalite Super SASS from auction and want to know what you would do.
- By Marksman
- Semi-Automatic Rifles
- 14 Replies
I'd been keeping an eye out for a rifle that I can shoot suppressed, and this one came up for sale and I won the auction. The description is below.
"This auction is for an ORIGINAL ARMALITE SUPER SASS AR-10 RIFLE. This is NOT one of the new ones being produced. This item is chambered in 7.62mm NATO/308 Winchester. This one was purchased Originally by me some years ago from our distributors. I installed the TROY RAIL and MAGPUL PRS Stock, no longer available. This has the heavy stainless steel barrel and original competition trigger."
I just picked it up and noticed it does NOT have the adjustable gas block. There's no mention of the owner changing it, or any photo's that would show it. I was under the impression that the adjustable gas block was one of the defining features of the SASS. This seems like a pretty big thing that should have been disclosed. Would you send it back, or ask for a discount? What am I looking at cost wise to get it back to original configuration?
"This auction is for an ORIGINAL ARMALITE SUPER SASS AR-10 RIFLE. This is NOT one of the new ones being produced. This item is chambered in 7.62mm NATO/308 Winchester. This one was purchased Originally by me some years ago from our distributors. I installed the TROY RAIL and MAGPUL PRS Stock, no longer available. This has the heavy stainless steel barrel and original competition trigger."
I just picked it up and noticed it does NOT have the adjustable gas block. There's no mention of the owner changing it, or any photo's that would show it. I was under the impression that the adjustable gas block was one of the defining features of the SASS. This seems like a pretty big thing that should have been disclosed. Would you send it back, or ask for a discount? What am I looking at cost wise to get it back to original configuration?
Original Army SF 5th Group used LaRue Stealth uppers!
- By USMCSGT0331
- Vintage Sniper Rifles
- 14 Replies
I know that these aren't vintage rifles, but the Vintage Section of this forum also doubles as a place to post and discuss rare and historical firearms. Recently, Primary Arms sold some Army Special Forces 5th Group used LaRue Stealth uppers. These uppers were used on their deployment to Iraq in 2007 to 2008. These uppers were called "Stealth" because they were made to mimic the Mk18 Mod 1 uppers, but with more accurate heavy barrels. Just like the Mk18's, these uppers have a 10.3" barrel and quad-rail handguard. The heavier barrel in the Stealth uppers allowed the operators to transition from indoor CQB to outdoor longer-ranged engagements in the open desert.
At the end of their deployment they had to do a 1:1 swap with these Stealth uppers for Crane NSWC made Mk18 Mod 1 uppers. A few weeks ago these 5th Group used Stealth uppers were send from LaRue to Primary Arms. This has also led to an OPSEC/PERSEC issue for these 5th Group soldiers.
Their names are on the cardboard boxes and this ties them to the unit, and can possibly be used to dox them when they're currently working sensitive jobs. So, if anyone here has one of these original used uppers, please don't post the name that's on the box or tag. Please don't dig into it, there's no reason that collectors would ever need information on these individual soldiers. It honestly crazy that these boxes and tags weren't sterilized before these uppers were sold, and some people in the SF community aren't too happy about it. So, please don't dox these guys if you have one of these uppers.
I missed out on the original Primary Arms sale of these historical uppers, so I've been scrambling to find some on the collector market. Unfortunately, this also means that I'm now paying a lot more for these uppers than what they originally sold for. Primary Arms sold each upper for about $1,000 and I've been paying about $2,000 per upper on average. The painted uppers are very rare and obviously command a higher price. I've heard that a few of these uppers have traded hands between collectors for $4,000 to $5,000, but I haven't completely confirmed this. These uppers have some absolutely amazing history, and they'll only go up in value. If a big gun-tuber like Garand Thumb ever does a video about these uppers and more collectors find out about them, expect them to double or triple in price from their current value. We've seen that happen with other original military surplus items, such as the M40A1 return stocks and the Mk13 DRMO stocks/chassis. Of you find one of these uppers for sale at a decent price (right now that would be under $3,000), buy it! Or let me know about it so that I can buy it, lol.
Here's my 3 unpainted uppers and my painted upper:
Here's one of my original 5th Group used LaRue Stealth uppers on an SBR lower. The Aimpoint T1 red dot sight is military surplus and has a UID engraving on the top side, but it's not correct for this upper and I only mounted it because I had it on hand. I need to find an older Eotech to put on the upper.
Apparently some of these uppers also had silencers on them, but most of the soldiers didn't use the silencers when running missions inside buildings (they needed them as short as possible for indoor CQB, and the silencer made the rifle too long). I think the KAC NT4 might be correct for some of these 10.3" uppers with the 9" handguard, but the extremely rare version of the upper with 11.5" barrel 8.2" handguard that possibly used some kind of SureFire silencer. Here's one of my unpainted uppers with a KAC NT4 silencer:
The painted rear sight that's on one of my unpainted uppers is actually a perfect match to the painted upper that was missing a rear sight. I couldn't believe that I had the missing painted rear sight on one of these unpainted uppers! So, that painted rear sight is now on the painted upper, it's an exact match! Most of the uppers also come with test targets (maybe 100 yard?) and their boxes were from the Mk18 CQBR uppers that the Stealth uppers were swapped out with. Also, these uppers are heavily used and are absolutely filthy! They were definitely used on a lot of missions and each upper probably has numerous terrorist/insurgant kills attached to it!
Any guns or gun parts that can be directly linked to a top tier Army unit are extremely rare! In addition to these coming from a top tier unit, most of these uppers have a name on the box and/or tag that can be traced back to an individual soldier. I don't think we'll ever see another item like this that can be traced back to a single user, so that really makes these uppers unique. I have quite a few original firearms and gun parts that were used by top tier Army units. and have that history documented in some way. One of these days I'd like to get a few photos of all those items together in my collection.
Did anyone else here get one of these original Army SF 5th Group used LaRue Stealth uppers? If so, please post a few photos of it here in this thread (please remember to sterile the names in the photos). If anyone has one that they'd like to sell, please let me know as well. I have a few collector friends who would like to pick up one of these uppers, and I'm trying to help them locate a few uppers.
Hopefully you guys find these historical uppers to be interesting and hopefully other people here will have some photos and/or information to add to this thread! Please let me know if you guys want to see more photos of the uppers in my collection, I'd be happy to share more photos if needed!
At the end of their deployment they had to do a 1:1 swap with these Stealth uppers for Crane NSWC made Mk18 Mod 1 uppers. A few weeks ago these 5th Group used Stealth uppers were send from LaRue to Primary Arms. This has also led to an OPSEC/PERSEC issue for these 5th Group soldiers.
Their names are on the cardboard boxes and this ties them to the unit, and can possibly be used to dox them when they're currently working sensitive jobs. So, if anyone here has one of these original used uppers, please don't post the name that's on the box or tag. Please don't dig into it, there's no reason that collectors would ever need information on these individual soldiers. It honestly crazy that these boxes and tags weren't sterilized before these uppers were sold, and some people in the SF community aren't too happy about it. So, please don't dox these guys if you have one of these uppers.
I missed out on the original Primary Arms sale of these historical uppers, so I've been scrambling to find some on the collector market. Unfortunately, this also means that I'm now paying a lot more for these uppers than what they originally sold for. Primary Arms sold each upper for about $1,000 and I've been paying about $2,000 per upper on average. The painted uppers are very rare and obviously command a higher price. I've heard that a few of these uppers have traded hands between collectors for $4,000 to $5,000, but I haven't completely confirmed this. These uppers have some absolutely amazing history, and they'll only go up in value. If a big gun-tuber like Garand Thumb ever does a video about these uppers and more collectors find out about them, expect them to double or triple in price from their current value. We've seen that happen with other original military surplus items, such as the M40A1 return stocks and the Mk13 DRMO stocks/chassis. Of you find one of these uppers for sale at a decent price (right now that would be under $3,000), buy it! Or let me know about it so that I can buy it, lol.
Here's my 3 unpainted uppers and my painted upper:
Here's one of my original 5th Group used LaRue Stealth uppers on an SBR lower. The Aimpoint T1 red dot sight is military surplus and has a UID engraving on the top side, but it's not correct for this upper and I only mounted it because I had it on hand. I need to find an older Eotech to put on the upper.
Apparently some of these uppers also had silencers on them, but most of the soldiers didn't use the silencers when running missions inside buildings (they needed them as short as possible for indoor CQB, and the silencer made the rifle too long). I think the KAC NT4 might be correct for some of these 10.3" uppers with the 9" handguard, but the extremely rare version of the upper with 11.5" barrel 8.2" handguard that possibly used some kind of SureFire silencer. Here's one of my unpainted uppers with a KAC NT4 silencer:
The painted rear sight that's on one of my unpainted uppers is actually a perfect match to the painted upper that was missing a rear sight. I couldn't believe that I had the missing painted rear sight on one of these unpainted uppers! So, that painted rear sight is now on the painted upper, it's an exact match! Most of the uppers also come with test targets (maybe 100 yard?) and their boxes were from the Mk18 CQBR uppers that the Stealth uppers were swapped out with. Also, these uppers are heavily used and are absolutely filthy! They were definitely used on a lot of missions and each upper probably has numerous terrorist/insurgant kills attached to it!
Any guns or gun parts that can be directly linked to a top tier Army unit are extremely rare! In addition to these coming from a top tier unit, most of these uppers have a name on the box and/or tag that can be traced back to an individual soldier. I don't think we'll ever see another item like this that can be traced back to a single user, so that really makes these uppers unique. I have quite a few original firearms and gun parts that were used by top tier Army units. and have that history documented in some way. One of these days I'd like to get a few photos of all those items together in my collection.
Did anyone else here get one of these original Army SF 5th Group used LaRue Stealth uppers? If so, please post a few photos of it here in this thread (please remember to sterile the names in the photos). If anyone has one that they'd like to sell, please let me know as well. I have a few collector friends who would like to pick up one of these uppers, and I'm trying to help them locate a few uppers.
Hopefully you guys find these historical uppers to be interesting and hopefully other people here will have some photos and/or information to add to this thread! Please let me know if you guys want to see more photos of the uppers in my collection, I'd be happy to share more photos if needed!
SOLD Proof 20” 223 Zermatt Orgin Carbon prefit and bolt face
- By JGunns
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Can any of you Mil guys identify this patch?
- By darkfader
- The Bear Pit
- 32 Replies
Guys, I have a friend who wants to get a plaque made for a buddy of his who was a soldier and this is his patch. Best pic I could get unfortunately, but I figured someone here could identify it for me.
If anyone can give me info or a link to a better pic of this patch or a link to read about it, I’d greatly appreciate it.
If anyone can give me info or a link to a better pic of this patch or a link to read about it, I’d greatly appreciate it.
Vector X - Just a quick review.
- By Zigjib
- Observation & Sighting Devices
- 24 Replies
EDITED!!!!!
Safran Vectronix Vector X
The Vector X binoculars are a new release from Safran Vectronix. Safran are attempting to bring an all-in-one package to shooters that combines the features of a Range Finder, Ballistic App/Kestrel, and a Spotting Scope. There are other products already available similar to the Vector, but the Vector is a quality and reliability increase that caters more to the Professional Market vs the Hobbyist.
Like any all-in-one option, there are features and abilities that need to be sacrificed. This results in compromises needing to be made. It’s up to the individual shooter to determine if these compromises are acceptable, so lets break down the Vector X and see what it can, and what it CAN’T do;
Initial impressions;
Quality. As soon as you pick up the Vector X, you know you are feeling something of high quality. Every feature, every detail is refined and feels strong. Some alternatives brands feel plasticy in the materials they use. The Vector’s feel and look are one of attention to detail at every step of their design and construction. They come with an excellent molle compatible storage case that has additional spaces for cleaning equipment and accessories and will absolutely provide the necessary protection to the bino’s when not in use.
Spotting Scope/Binoculars;
The glass quality is exceptional in the Vector X. There’s no chromatic aberration and no strange tinting like that which is present in other brands Bino’s. Additionally, the Vector X features an ocular focus for the reticles inside the optic, and a target focus, or parallax adjustment. These increase the clarity and ability to see through the optic without eye strain.
Out of the box, the magnification is fixed at 8x, 10x or 12x on the Bino’s, depending on the model. We tested the 10x version. You can purchase “range enhancers” which screw on to the objective end of the binoculars to increase the magnification by 40%. We attached these and they increased magnification to 14x on our model but can go as high as 17x on the 12x Model. They also come with their own purpose designed storage case, which is great.
As a basic observation tool, the bino’s are excellent. But can they replace a spotting scope?
Yes. They can. BUT, with sacrifices.
The Vector X binos come with arca mounting plates for use with a tripod out of the box. No more weird lasso type mounts.
The Vector X has 3 reticles etched into the lens of the Right tube only. The left side is clear. Through the right tube, and on the left side of the image, there is a small, MILRAD based reticle, similar to the MIL-C reticle, however there’s a small section of grid separate to the left or right of the reticle depending on which side the reticle is on. The grid pattern is spaced in 1 mil increments. The reticle positioned on the left is to be used as the bino’s come out of the box with their factory set magnification. The middle reticle is a small cross hair for the Laser Range Finder function, and on the right, there’s a larger MILRAD reticle, that is designed to be used when the magnification range extenders are fitted. This means that all 3 reticles are visually present at all times and you reference the reticle that corresponds to the magnification setting you are using.
We took the bino’s out for a shooting session and as we were taking the extenders off and on, we had to switch between the reticles. This didn’t cause any problems for us, in this instance, being well rested, but putting fatigue or stress into the mix, there’s a likelihood that a mistake could be made when referencing a reticle.
We were, however, able to accurately see trace and observe impacts, and the reticles performed their functions.
Note; The reticles are on the periphery of the lens, and we did find ourselves shifting our head positions to get a clear view of the reticle. This didn’t effect all of us. So it’s only a concern if you have a head like a potato.
We pondered if having both reticles present was really the best way of doing things and if maybe etching the reticle in the ocular piece and having removable ocular pieces might be a solution to avoid the dual reticles.
So, can you dump your spotter for the Vector X? Yes, but you don’t get the magnification range of a dedicated spotter, you don’t get the refined Milling of a dedicated reticle. For practical applications in the field, the Vector X will still provide you with knowledge, but if you’re trying to zero at a range or spot precision impacts, you’re going to be left wanting. Having said that though. Our rifles have 20x + magnification in them. Zeroing is on the shooter, so it can be argued that the Vector X is redundant for this purpose and therefore it’s not a consideration.
Laser Range Finder
Brilliant. The Vector X dominates our Terrapin and the other brands we have. The refined aiming mark is pretty well spot on. We took the Vector X and Terrapin to the coast to get some longer sight lines. The surf was rough and there was heavy sea spray. The Terrapin X failed to cut through the spray and was able to reliably range a piece of white cardboard approx. 50cm tall and 70cm wide at 1250m. This isn’t reflective of what the Terrapin can do, just in the conditions we were in. The Vector X cut through the atmosphere with absolute ease and ranged our cardboard up to the maximum distance we could actually get to which was 1978m.
Unlike the Terrapin X, there’s both a Lase button AND a menu button WITH separate navigation buttons on the Vector X. This is our main gripe with the Terrapin. Once we lase, we have to wait a couple of seconds before we can go again. The Vector X doesn’t have this lag.
The Vector X is a powerhouse as far as it’s LRF function goes. It’s ruined our opinions of the other options out there. The Vector X is just superior.
Applied Ballistics Function
The Vector X wants to replace your Kestrel and other ballistic programs. It comes with the Applied Ballistics software installed.
The gun profiles are set up for the Vector X using a dedicated app called the VECSS. We are unsure what this stands for at this time, but the App is excellent. If you’ve used a Kestrel 5700, it’ll be very similar to the Link app. This ran very well and everything, including powder temp variations was able to be input.
All this then gets sent to the Vector X via Bluetooth. This was a super simple process and worked great.
The Vector X has on board environmental sensors that, when compared to the Kestrel, were close enough that they could be called even, and variation may have been just a result of where we were holding them/storing them before turning them on.
Inside the Vector X is a small HUD display. Like the reticles, it is only visible in the right tube. The HUD provides most of the information you’d find in your kestrel. Elevation hold, wind hold, and direction of fire are all displayed cleanly and are plenty large enough to read.
The HUD display is between the 2 reticles and just under the centre reticle for the LRF. This means it doesn’t impinge upon your view of the reticles, and vice versa.
The separate menu buttons and their respective scrolling buttons are exactly what you’d find on the Kestrel. You can scroll through menus and change the display to provide you with different information. These include; Environmental information, Gun profile information and profile select, range card, and then settings for the Binoculars. It’s great. It’s so easy to navigate through. Huge win here.
To view the information, you are required to look through the binos though. That’s a little inconvenient compared to the kestrel but it works. The Vector X however, doesn’t give you wind speed or direction. You need to use a separate device for wind, OR, be very confident in your wind calls if you aren’t going to bring another device with you. The wind information is manually input into the binoculars to give you a hold. If you already have a Kestrel, do you need the AB function? Probably not. Not that kestrels are heavy and bringing one with you to get wind info is a huge burden, but you’re paying for a capability you already have.
Symmetry
We’ve talked in detail about each of the features and what the Vector X is trying to achieve and what it lacks, so lets talk about how they work in a real world application;
We shot out to 650y from a couple of different angles to have to change wind calls. The target was a 30cm steel plate.
We ran tests to see how long it would take for the spotter to give the shooter a wind hold and elevation hold with the Vector X vs our dedicated gear.
The Terrapin is Bluetooth linked to the Kestrel. We ranged the target with the Terrapin, which sent the data to our Kestrel and we gave the hold and wind, then jumped onto the spotter and our shooter took the shot. No dramas. Accurate wind call, accurate elevation, clear impact on target through the spotter. The majority of the time here was lost jumping between the LRF and the Spotter. Interestingly, we decided to adjust the mag range of the spotter without looking until it looked right and we thought we could see what we needed to. This was 15x. 1x off the Vector X with the range enhancers fitted. So the mag range really isn’t an issue.
Time to test the Vector X. We ranged the target, got the hold, didn’t come off glass, shooter took the shot. Results were faster than using the separate gear. But, there’s a couple of issues with the tests. First, we pre-positioned the spotter and the terrapin on target. They were ready. To lase, the Vector needs to be centred, then adjusted to see the reticle to spot the shot. Additionally, the shooters already knew the wind call from the previous string of shots.
The solution,? Get up and move and reset ALL gear as if we had just got to position. With this test, the Vector X was the clear winner. 1 device, spotter doesn’t have to move themselves or gear. Loosen a knob, align, good to go.
This wasn’t just as trip to test the Vector X though, it was a yippy shoot to burn through some powder and get some reps up. This is where the bias evolved. People progressively started navigating towards the Vector X as it was far more convenient than jumping between different devices. This is probably the most telling when it comes to preference. We can analyse. We can extrapolate. But when it comes to what works and what people like, well it’s the thing they reach for first (or argue over!). And here, there was no mistake. The Vector was the pick.
Bluetooth
Bluetooth connection between the device and phones/kestel is super easy. HOWEVER, when we first started using the binos, we tried to connect the Kestrel. The HUD displayed KSTRL in that it was working, however when we checked the app and the setting in the HUD, we couldn't see anything that denoted the kestrel was providing anything over to the Binos. The HUD still stated atmosphere was "sensor" which is what it is set to to use the Bino's environmental sensors. It didn't change to KSTRL in that setting so we believed the Binos was still the source for environmental data. This turned out to be incorrect. When we checked the App, the app settings, which state "sensor" when the Bino's are providing environmental data, had change to "manual" for manual inputting. This caused us confusion as to where the environmental data was coming from. This was solved by sitting in the car with the heater on and leaving the bino's out in °3C weather. The Bino's took on the data from the Kestrel and the temp now reflected the toasty warm of the car. Once we were aware of this quirk, we set everything up in the app, hit connect on the Kestel, and it was done. Seemless and immediately provided range to the kestrel and environmentals to the binos.
Conclusion
Is the Vector X a one stop solution? Well… Yes and No. It is absolutely functional at everything it does, and straight up dominates as a range finder and progressively, what it lacked became less and less of a concern. But, here’s where the Vector really wins out;
Our dedicated single use equipment weighs 6.1kgs all together. With the range enhancers fitted, the Vector X weighs 1.3kgs, and 1kg without the range enhancers. Even with the heavier of our 2 tripods, the weight is just over half of what taking all our dedicated gear weighs. This was emphasized when we were walking up and down hills to get to some of our firing points. In a field setting, where carriage is a consideration, the Vector brings 90% (arguably more) of what you need to the table for half the weight. We have very much enjoyed using the Vector X and it’s going to be hard to move them on. Their convenience is going to be greatly missed. Especially how good the LRF function is.
One final thought
There is a separate model of the binos available called the Vector Radical X. These are the same bino’s with the reticles in the right tube, however they do not have the AB function or the LRF. We feel this might’ve been a missed opportunity here. We already have a Kestrel that gives us all our ballistic data, and it’s weight isn’t a massive consideration. A model of the Bino’s without the AB function, but including the exceptional range finder, probably would have been the best compromise in our opinion.
Judge Tosses Documents Case Against Trump; Jack Smith Appointment Unconstitutional
- By PatMiles
- The Bear Pit
- 10 Replies
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A federal judge in Florida threw out the prosecution of former President Donald Trump on Monday in the “documents” case because she ruled that Special Counsel Jack Smith had not been appointed in a constitutional or lawful manner.
Judge Aileen Cannon granted a defense motion after ruling that Smith, who was not confirmed by the U.S. Senate as other U.S. Attorneys have been in the past, could not lawfully bring the indictment against Trump in federal court.
“In the end, it seems the Executive’s growing comfort in appointing ‘regulatory’ special counsels in the more recent era has followed an ad hoc pattern with little judicial scrutiny,” Cannon wrote, according to a CNN report.
The stunning development came on the first morning of the Republican National Convention (RNC) in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and will excite an already emotional gathering in the wake of Trump’s attempted assassination Saturday.
Many conservatives believe that the slew of prosecutions — two federal, two state — and civil actions against Trump were part of creating the climate of hatred that could have encouraged the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania.
As Breitbart News noted in early June, Cannon scheduled a hearing on the constitutionality of Smith’s appointment, which had been raised by the defense as well as a number of outside amicus curiae (“friend of the court”) briefs.
Last month, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas suggested in a concurring opinion in Fischer v. United States — which said the Department of Justice had abused its power in prosecuting January 6th defendants under a statute about witness tampering — that Smith’s appointment was likely unconstitutional. Smith’s took aim at Thomas’s arguments in an unrelated filing in the case last week, which raised some legal eyebrows.
Democrats and media pundits have bemoaned the fact that Judge Cannon even chose to hear arguments on the constitutionality of Smith’s appointment. They even organized mass campaigns to file ethics complaints against her.
Smith brought charges against Trump in Florida — the site of Trump’s private residence at Mar-a-Lago — alleging that he had mishandled classified documents when he left office. Judge Cannon looked askance at the fact that Smith convened a grand jury in Washington, D.C. — a notoriously anti-Trump jurisdiction — rather than in Florida.
It is not clear if Cannon’s ruling affects Smith’s separate prosecution of Trump for January 6-related charges in Washington.
SOLD B14r heavy barrel
- By OKIE2022
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 4 Replies
B14r heavy barrel mdt 40 moa rail anarchy outdoors bolt knob kit with big Bertha knob will come with factory trigger timney is available if you want it $1000 shipped to your ffl shoots great just going to bulid a rimx also have one xlr envy pro with the jv comp kit includes all weights with bag rider c6 buttstock and extended arca rail weight $1200 shipped will make a package deal if interested not going to spit anything up.
