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Best place to buy gun safe on a budget?

A bit of an oxymoron, I know. But where is the best value in gun safes?

Looking for good security, fire rating is a plus. Needs to hold at least 6 scoped long guns with a min inner height of 52", a few ar15's and assorted handguns.

I left my previous career and went back to school, so funds are tight. Would prefer to spend less then $2k, including shipping.

Where should I be looking? I found this site, not sure where it falls on the spectrum for value and security: https://www.deansafe.com/products/kodiak-gun-safe-kbf5940exso
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So who here is a fan of Lia Thomas the transgender female college swimmer

I know I am. The left got exactly what they wanted with this kind of garbage. Now choke on it. I hope Lia destroys all the female world records As he, I mean she is now approaching some the most lauded female swimmer records and is going to destroy them all. Lol. honestly, I am appalled and i know families with daughters, girlfriends and wives that competitively swim absolutely hate this but I wonder how many voted for the liberals and their policies.
Let’s Go Lia !

Dem. Sen. Blumenthal says Republicans are the enemies of Communism

Well duh, mf'r.

"Senator Richard Blumenthal(D-Conn.) said he was “excited and proud” to help the Connecticut Communist Party celebrate the 102nd anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party USA over the weekend..."


I thought after he spoke at an earlier Communist Awards Ceremony, he claimed he didn't realize it was about communism.

Any model trainers here? The Model Train Thread.

Trying to get the wife into some model trains as a hobby we can share together. Long term and can be put on hold for months at a time, get to enjoy the fruits of your labors, grand kids will hopefully be coming sooner rather than later, indoors, low impact, not cheap but a few bucks at a time over a long period. Seems like a possible candidate to take us to the grave.

Thinking N scale but the wife mentioned her eyes so maybe HO.

What you guys got? Where's you goto for stuffs? What scale you running? Etc, etc.

WTF barrel worms?

Ok, the title is a joke, but check this out. From my AIAX barrel, it used to shoot one shot on top of the next, now the groups have opened up, it still shoots good but just not 1/4 moa anymore. WTF did I do, was this from rust? Overpressure? I have never oiled my barrels and was this from erosion? Whats the copper color stuff, is that copper or rust? Gunsmiths chime in please.

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Night Vision Clip ons clip ons clip ons!!!

Alright, I will add to this thread as more info comes in but wanted to get all the new stuff in one place. Finally we will have some serious options in the clip on category. Stand alone scopes are very popular in this country for good reason. They have everything you typically need and want for short range hunting. Recording, multiple reticle options, great resolution etc. Where they really come up short is in the long range arena. Utilizing a etched reticle from your day optic will always be far superior and exponentially more precise than using a digital reticle in a low mag stand alone. I could go on and on about why clip on units are superior beyond MPBR (maximum point blank range) but I'd like to focus on the products here.

One technical item to discuss here as you compare optics is FOV. Field of view is the best indicator of the long range capabilities of a clip on. The more FPA pixels you are jamming into a given area the greater the detection and ID range all other things equal. Obviously there are other pieces of the pie ( post image processing, display type and resolution, sensitivity, etc) but the best indicator of " how much mag can it handle" is FOV at full res. For reference the long range king of the uncooled long wave thermals is still the UTC series. Both the X and Xii have 6.2 degree fov which equates very roughly to 34 feet horizontally at 100 yds. So if you think in terms of " im spreading the 640 pixels of my thermal detector across 34 feet when viewing an object at 100 yds" you can understand how a narrower fov would enable you to have more pixels on the given target and therefore more ability to handle higher mag before detector pixelation occurs. Of course the tightest FOV may not be what fits your situation best. Keep in mind that even 5x utilizing your own reticle and turrets will get you some serious range at night time compared to a stand alone optic.

Lets get to the products. Obviously this is not an all encompassing list but wanted to talk about some of the new stuff on the immediate horizon.


COMM units

1. Steiner C-35
These should be hitting the market 1st quarter 2022.
specs
IRAY 12 micron 640 detector 50hz
35mm lens F1.0 12.5 degree FOV.
800x600 display

We've been given a sneak preview of the capabilities of this unit by the release of the 35mm s35 and h35 units from steiner. Both of those units have extremely impressive imaging. While the s35 and h35 have high res displays (1024 and 1280 respectively), the C35 comes in at 800. It is effectively assigning 1.25 display pixels to every detector pixel. While I like to see that number a little higher keep in mind that the benchmark (utc xii) is 1 to 1 640 display. Sometimes assigning detector pixels to more display pixels allows for a little optical cheating especially on higher FOV units. Honestly you're unit is only as good as its detector but smoothing of lines can be achieved when "upscaling" so high res displays are a nice option especially on a unit like this.
In looking at the specs I'm guessing that this unit will have a sweet spot of about 3x on your day scope mag and a range of 1.5 to 5x or so. One of the biggest remaining questions on this unit will be the mounting system. As of now the plan is to have a pic mount that interfaces with the c35 from the eyepiece ring. We'll see how that turns out. Should be a pretty solid med range unit with above average imaging and a quality aluminum housing. Steiner/iray have very impressive post processing software they plugged into these.

2. AGM TC50-640
1st quarter 2022
specs
Unknown Chinese 640 12 micron 50hz
50mm f1.0 8.8 degree fov
1024 display 1.6 detector pixel per display pixel

I have some limited experience with the tc35 384 units and the stand alone 50mm 640. I think this will be one of the best bang for the buck long range units this yr. around $5k will get you a unit that can take 8x pretty easily. Biggest questions at this price range is component/build quality and a very rudimentary post processing software that tends to struggle with gain control. Nearly all "polymer", the unit is very lightweight but at what expense? With the display and detector specs I'd bet on a sweet spot of 4x and a happy range of 2x- 8x. These units do allow for screen collimation but don't expect it to be plug and play with multiple guns as far as poi shift.
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3. Pulsar Krypton
1st quarter 2022
specs
BAE 12 micron 60hz
50mm f1.2 8.7 degree fov
1746x1000 display 2.7 detector pixels to display
unknown price until shot show

This is an intriguing product for sure. Great sensor, great display. I had a chance to play with a early production euro model back about a yr ago. The unit I had did have an issue with the focus but that was just an issue with that particular unit. Even so, it looked great. Much like the steiner the pic mount was an afterthought that had to be engineered after the fact......, it will interface with the eyepiece for the picatinny mount. In a perfect world they would have a body mount like everyone else but these euro models are always built to hang off of the objective for some reason. Sweet spot on this should be 4x and should have 2-9x acceptable range. Focus dial on top of unit and the long run rechargeable pulsar battery system should make it an attractive option in the medium-long range segment.

MIL Spec units

1. EOTECH/Theon Thermis
2nd or 3rd quarter 2022

MR
specs
THEON 17 micron 640 60hz
50mm f1.1 12.4 degree fov
640x480 oled display
price tbd $10-11k ballpark estimation

This is the medium range version of the optic that EOTECH will be importing from THEON Sensors in Greece. Warranty and US service will be handled by eotech.
Theon builds these entirely in house and is a major player in the overseas market. They are pretty heavy units since they have a very robust collimated eyepiece and all aluminum body. They are 50 cal rated and they utilize a raised objective design similar to a lwts enabling the unit to clear a rail mounted laser. eyepiece height above rail is the industry standard of 1.55 inches or so. Being a 12 degree fov optic it has a sweet spot of 3-4x and a comfortable range of 1.5-6x or so.

LR
Specs
THEON 17 micron 640 60hz
75mm f1.1 8.3 fov
640x480 oled display

$11-12k estimation

The LR version of the Thermis has the same body as the above model but with a 75mm lens. I used and tested this model. I was very impressed with its performance. repeatable POI on several rifles. Solid imaging capabilities. The different agc modes did take a little getting used to but once it was dialed in I was very happy with it. The 50 cal rating is very believable when you pick this thing up. It is like the pvs30 of thermals. heavy and built like a brick shithouse. It did have a compass built in. Not sure what the final "BOM" will look like or if there is any LRF display capabilities that can be tapped in to but I will update as info becomes avail. Sweet spot on this guy was around 5 or 6x and 10x was very usable. This will be a popular item at its projected price point.. I feel that the capabilities as a clip on fill in the gap between the lwts-lr and the utc. LWTS-LR falls behind as a clip on primarily due to the display resolution in clip on mode.

The second cell phone pic below is a house and hill top at 2200 meters. I was able to see a person walking their dog on that road with enough detail to tell them apart at that range.

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stay tuned...there is more ill add soon. Including a potential UTC replacement. :)

business rant... non gun related

I'm just trying to build another fuckin barn here...

So, building a new barn and wanted to install a radiant barrier to stop condensation dripping. Found a co. in houston that looks like it has a good product and is a 3 hr round trip.
Well they have no phone # on their websight so this is how it went on emails today. They will ONLY do online orders and payment.
Some people

#1
I would like to pick up monday and pay then for;
4) white 4' x175' rolls
1) box reflective tape
1) box double sided tape
4) rolls white patch tape

Please let me know.
Thanks
Joe

#2
Pickups can only be scheduled for completed/paid orders.



Customer Pick-ups:

Allowed for orders where the product cost is $1,250 or more. If your order qualifies, the pick-up option will be displayed on the page that you enter your credit card information.

#3
Well if were $100 or so I would have no problem with that but to send 1300+ to a business I have never dealt with that will not provide a phone# , I have a bit of a problem with that.

#4
An A+ BBB and accredited since 2004 speaks for itself. .

Our model is a perfect fit for most but not all. We wish you well.





Jonathan Barber
(allmost left his email on there)

My finale reply...

If that is the way you choose to deal with a potential future customer...

F U 2

Pissed me off he did with that passive aggressive BS
I was just trying to do business.

Dry, cracked hands and split fingers? Step on in.

I've been handling a lot of paper this Winter and it's drying me out even more than the usual here in dry Colorado. I have tried a couple products with some good results and found a trick, probably not a new one, that has been extremely helpful. Thought I'd share and hoped you might share your tips and tricks in regards to dry, split fingers and hands.

This is my dry hand first aid kit. The newest is the Bag Balm and while greasy/oily, it works much better than I expected. The superglue is a life saver. I use it on the splits and cracks and it keeps them from continuing to split and really help with the pain of those splits. Great for paper cuts as well.

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Nazis were Socialists- NOT right wingers

Hitler, Mussolini, the Nazis, were all SOCIALISTS and Fascists- both are Leftist and overlapping.






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Member @Sgt47 has went home to the Lord

Wanted to let you know that with some help from another Hider today, it was discovered that our esteemed and well loved member Sgt47 has died.
All the way back in early October.


We all knew he wasn't posting on here. Knew he had been battling both Lymphoma and then had fallen ill shortly after finishing up radiation.
I secretly kept hoping he was taking a break from all the strain of the world and electronics, enjoying a nice fall with his new dog.

I did find his email address prior to this being found and shortly after reading his obituary, I received an email from his son.
"We miss him greatly, but are thankful he is at home with the Lord. Know dad appreciated the camaraderie and kindness extended to him and he enjoyed logging onto Sniper's Hide daily"

SOLD Zero Compromise ZCO 5-27x56 ZMRAD MPCT-2

Optics Package
$3,980.00ZCO 5-27x56 ZMRAD MPCT-2ZCO 5-27x56 ZC527 Riflescope - | Zero Compromise Optic | CS Tactical
$299.00ARC M10 QD-L 20MOA single scope mountM10 QD-L Scope Mount | American Rifle Company
$100.00Tenebraex Scope cover setTBX PART FINDER - Page 1 - Armament Technology Inc.
$59.0035mm aluminum scope mount35mm Ultra Low-Profile Billet Scope Level – MK Machining
$4,438.00Total paid Plus taxes and shipping
Asking $3,500
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Wasn't I supposed to have been lectured with doom and gloom by Captain Potatohead on Tuesday?

It's Wednesday. Now, I was out most of the day and at night shooting in the dark and all, but I seem to remember that Captain POTATUS was supposed to have his drooling ass wheeled out in front of everyone to read a bunch of doom, gloom, omicron and threatening bullshit off a teleprompter at us.

I remember this because last week, that soulless ginger cunt with absolutely zero redeeming qualities to the point that she'd still be a virgin after being locked up in a men's prison, kept saying that on Tuesday everyone that did not take the vaccine would have new things happening or whatever.

Well it's Wednesday. What's up?

recommend me a single stage trigger for carbine use

I'm looking for a good single stage trigger for an Ar15. I'm not looking for a super light trigger pull as this will be going on carbines. I'm looking for a relatively short trigger press, a short strong reset, and reliability if/when dirty. Two-stage triggers don't meet the first two criteria. I have a few SSA-E and Larue MBT two stage triggers that I am moving away from for carbine use but would still appreciate an upgrade from polished mil-spec triggers.

Are drop in triggers as reliable as the more standard mil-spec trigger designs? If reliablity is there then I would consider drop in as well.

New Bushnell Forge "Secret" Option

I have been a Leupold owner for most of my life (also still have some classic Redfield). Most recently I have the VX-3i. I always thought of Bushnell as a budget brand (think childhood 22). Earlier this year I picked up a Bushnell DMR II on sale for $600ish on Midway and really fell in love with the quality, glass and turrets. I like it so much, it replaced a Vortex PST Gen II. I am now a believer in the higher end Bushnell scopes.

There are some new great scopes for a bargain price from Bushnell which were originally designed for the European market. These are the new Bushnell Forge from South Korea. Recent Bushnell Forge scopes available in the US were Chinese scopes with 30 MM tubes however some earlier ones were reportedly made in South Korea. These also had 30MM tubes. They have received good reviews overall. The Korean Forge scopes come with 34MM tubes and ED Prime Glass. This is the same glass found in their DMR III optics. The optical quality is excellent and beats the pants off the Vortex Viper PSTs and the Chinese Forge scopes. The turrets and zero stops are also great. The one thing of note is the turrets are marked in CM rather than MIL. This really isn't an issue since the measure the same. I bought the Forge 2-16x50, there is also a 3-24x56 and a 1-8x30. The scope offers an Germin 4i reticle which is illuminated. They can be bought on ebay for $549 the Bushnell site offers the 1-8x30 as well. You can identify them as they are the only Bushnell Forge scopes with the German 4i reticle and the 34MM tubes and an amazing 8x power range.

Took it to the range today for the first time and it shot and tracked well. The glass is crystal clear edge to edge. Nice scope.

Firearms Sold

Tac-14 with side car, pistol grip, arm brace, and +1 mag extension. Still have the original grip. Shot half a box of 2 3/4 inch buck shot through it. $500 to FFL from individual

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SOLD Ready to go HK SP5 Setup

Hello,

Looking to sell my HK SP5 it has 6 mags through it all suppressed. Looking to get $6000 shipped. What you see is what you get!

Details are: pistol with Knight's Armament RAS handguard, Knight's Armament RAS Rail Mount, German Heckler & Koch 4 Position Trigger Housing and 2 Position Factory Housing, Upgraded Drum Diopter Sight, Steiner MRS, Insight Technologies PEQ-14, the discontinued Custom Smith Manufacturing A3 Tailhook Brace (3-position), and 6 German Magazines.

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