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ELR match at Ben Franklin Range in western Pa April 19th

375fan:
What were the target distances and target sizes?
Were shooting stations arrayed at the grass forward of the lower pavilion (for relatively shooter distances out to about 1,700) and at the upper pavilion area (for 1,700+ longer distances)?
All heavy was shot from upper pavilion. Distances were. 1681. 1768. 2281. 2331. 2391. 2445

Light was shot from lower pavilion . Distances were. 996. 1107. 1160. 1207. 1652. 1733..

I was entered in heavy but quit after first 3 targets as I was getting a lot of stuck cases in my 338LM. Cases/primers showing pressure signs.
Need to figure out the problem there, after 400 rounds of that load it's strange.

Optics Budget optics

Hi-Lux 2-10 Vtac used $150
Hi-Lux 1-4 CMR used $100
Kruger Optical 2.5-10 NIB $150
Warne Ramp 1” Mount NIB $100
Black Spider Optics “Spikes Tactical” RDS NIB $80

All prices plus shipping if you want more than 1 we can work out a deal.

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.308 Winchester

I used H4350 the most temperature stable powder in the 308 not looking for temperature stability but accuracy in the long barrel long action with an 8 twist.

308 long action 8 twist
200 gr SMK, Lapua cases LR, Win primer 48.0 gr H4350, 3.175" COAL.
Velocity 2681 fps ave
Group 10 shots .699"

Also used H4350 with the 230 gr SMK, & 225 ELDM.
Another powder is 6.5 Staball with 208 to 230 gr Atip, for a fairly temp stable ball powder. It works with heavy bullets and hybrid cases pretty well.
Ya need a 9 twist to properly stablize some of the heavier bullets.
If you can run 208 gr bullets 6.5 Staball may help ya out in Arizona with hybrid cases.
A few things
I find your finding interesting
So I looked into hybrid cases on line. I instantly saw Bartlein won’t sell or warranty a barrel for this use. That is a huge red flag for me. Bartlien tends to be on cutting edge of barrel technology

Varget in 308 is not a short barrel powder. It’s best in 22-30” bolt guns
H4895 works better in short barrels
I have used a bunch of H4450 in 308 and just can’t get enough powder in case to get velocities to make it competitive

I wonder why no one in F TR is using a hybrid cases in competition?

Snow beaners are truly idiots…

Present company excepted… because you guys are the exceptions to the rule otherwise you would not be here….

But massive early voting in Canuckistan… and everyone is lining up to vote for the liberal socialist commies who will “stand up to Trump” as if Canada (with an economy smaller than NY City and an army smaller than NYPD) can stand up to anything.

Instead of voting for a conservative who will restore their rights… secure THEIR borders, cut their taxes, exploit THEIR energy… and also work the the U.S. to create free trade on equal terms that will help bring a business Renaissance back to North America, instead of letting the ChiFascists have it all?

Orange Man Bad… so Canuckistanian brainwashed sheep will vote away their right s and freedoms, because some commie blohard snowbeaner is going to claim “I will stand up to Trump?”

An hahahahhahaha… 50 years progressive education and migration and CBC propaganda and leftist policies have take One of the great Western powers (that punched way above its weight for a country that, then, had just 20 million people or so) and turned it into a nation of bleating socialist sheep.


Baaaas baaaasa. Truckers bad. Orange man bad. Cuba good…. Baaaaa.

What a bunch of disarmed morons. They will vote themselves into third told status and think they are heroes for standing up to the one administration that can actual help Make Canada Relevant Again. (Never were “that” Great. But at least they can have back some delusions of global relevance and not get arrrested for posting memes… which is coming next, hosers.)

So go vote properly Took-sporting hockey beavers. Save yourself from decades more oppression. Because no one is coming to save you, either. We want your land and your minerals… but we got too many socialists already. No 51st state for you!!

Your future is in your hands!

[\rant]
By the time the votes are counted out west here, the decisions have all been made by the frenchies, delusional down easters, and Toronto communists. If carney wins, the snow beaner economy will collapse. The government will throw a bunch of $$$ to the left and then bend us all over for a non-consensual starfish reaming.

Arken EP5 7- 35 .. Standing in for some Alpha Glass

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Why resurrect this thread?

I shot the April NRL 22 match yesterday. I spent all morning looking through a ZCO in pouring down rain and fog. With 7+ per squad by the second stage there was little paint on the targets, and by the third stage there was none. It was as if the targets were camouflaged on purpose. The KYL rack @ 46yds was about the only thing I could see with the naked eye. Good shooters with cheap scopes were timing out hunting for targets. I did not have these problems. Some of it was experience, but a lot of it was ultra clear glass that let me pick out a haze gray target in the haze gray rain, full stop.

Afterwards I went down to the utility range to shoot the Summit with an EP5, and a CZ457 with an Argos. I just built the CZ for silhouette matches.

It’s the difference between the opinions of plinkers and competitors/professional marksmen. Yes, the national champions can shoot better than me with a cheap scope, but yesterday I would have given them a run for their money.

And I’ll leave it at that.
Preach it brother! You can’t hit what you can’t see.

PortaJohn

oddest thing to me about OKC was how fast the fed gov executed McVeigh. there have been some fed executions since the Rosenbergs. about 1/2 for kidnapping,some for killing feds,a few more. i don't think they were done so fast after conviction.
from American spectator years ago i read that ATF had no one at the office. supposedly the guy that invented the bunker buster did an assessment and said no way a truck full of fertilizer did that damage,which was worse in the middle piling supports than the ones next to the explosion. seems the wreckage was cleared too quickly as well.
not sure of my memory of any of these findings. am just suspicious to me at the time but??? since the more recent ideas on 9/11 story,my questioning OKC has ramped up again.
any one got more details?

Sidearms & Scatterguns Best value in a clay gun?

What would you tell somebody who wanted to start shooting PRS with a $500 rifle, optic included?
Well, I started with an off the rack 700 internal magazine with some cheap scope on it, and a wrist bandolier. I would say to go shoot and learn from the guys who can do it rather than from the internet. Everyone will let you get behind their gun and fingerbang everything.

Hell the guy who let me shoot his Kreighoff at a chairity shoot won it, and was happy to let me shoot it afterward at a chip n’ break.

Gun people usually don’t suck.

Tikka T1X chassis recommendations

What discipline are you pursuing? The mechanical accuracy of the barrelled action will probably not change when you put it into chassis. Your ability to easily shoot much more accurately will improve a lot though, especially PRS style shooting in the clock. The features of competitive chassis’s are built around the goals. They are a tool designed for a job, and they work great. Your factory barrel has significant limitations, although many shooters are too cheap to buy ammo that will do better anyway.
It’s about your goals and personal budget. The cheaper chassis’s are built to meet a price point, with critically useful features left out, in order to sell the flagship models to serious competitors. I used a T1X for 3 seasons of Rimfire PRS in an MDT ACC Premier. Most of that was with an aftermarket IBI barrel. The last season was using Eley Match ammo. Next time I would build a CZ, or commission a full on turn key custom build INCLUDING FULL TESTING BEFORE I TOUCHED IT.

Generally shooters try to reinvent the wheel because our experience is assumed to be bullshit.

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