Kangbeef said:

Looking for advice on 8208 xbr from veterans who load with it. Loading only for gas guns 2 of which i am pushing for accuracy 223 and 308. I read many people having success with it. Loading 69gr and 77gr in 223. 168gr and 175gr in 308. Have TAC for 223 and TAC, IMR 4895 and Ar comp as well. Would I be stupid not to try 8208 xbr. I read its very versatile across both calibers. It is a clean or dirty burning powder.

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You ask an interesting question. I can tell you that 8208 works well in 223 and 308. I've used it in both and it is my go to powder in 223 with a 52/53 gr bullet in my 223 varmint rifle. I don't currently use it in 308 with the 168SMK but I have produced good loads with it. Is it better than the powders you have on hand? That is very hard to say and it obviously depends on what you are looking for. In 2012 when I was looking to a replacement for H335 that was more temperature stable I tried it, liked the results and have found no reason to change.

You have powders that are considered more than adequate for your application and I would personally not pursue another powder unless I wasn't happy with the results from those or I need to to change due to availability issues or pricing. It is very hard to pick specific winners when it comes to what powder is best in any specific cartridge. In reality most reloaders probably reject powders based on low sample size tests when more testing would produce different results.

There are powders that excel in some cartridges that has been proven over time. Varget in 308, IMR 4064 in 308, and there are others. We know these powders based on competition. F-T/R, Palma, F-Class, and other competitive environments tend to migrate to the most reliable powders and do based on thousands of rounds fired. But if you dig into it the Hodgdon/ADI powders (of which 8208 is one) seem to be ones that rule. Some of the newer Alliant RL series and Vihtavouri tend to follow.

Look just at small arms. The UK of all places has awarded its last several contracts to LMT, KAC, and now SIG.

What happened to Enfield? UK Parliament killed it.

When The UK Made Military Small Arms​

The UK Ministry of Defence's Pattern Room as it was displayed on site at RSAF Enfield North London


Did you know the UK’s last “domestic” small arms program was the upgrade to existing SA80s, called SA80A3?

Who won that contract? The same company that did SA80A2, Hk.

The US has become the 21st Century arsenal by default, after EU parliaments have attacked and slashed their own defense industry manufacturing capacity.

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Lands are starting to show some firecracking. Probably only have a good 500 - 750 rounds left on her . When velocity drops considerably or accuracy goes away, that is a better time to determine when she's shot out.

As far as the carbon buildup; it is certainly there. Nothing that some careful cleaning won't alleviate though.

A few left!

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A sign of the economy?
Maybe not.
People with slanted political bias.
(Libtards) possibly.

I could easily spin this a different direction.

When you go to a fast food place and you order a sandwich that has five yup 5 fucking ingredients that cost almost 10$ and the dumbasses can't get it right.

They used roast beef instead of the advertised smoked brisket, the crispy fried onions didn't make it in the sandwich, no cheese sauce was on it.
Five simple ingredients and they can't get it done? WTF

But some people want to spin the fault to DJT.

INCOMPETENCE is what is killing the food industry.

But this is what the sheep are reading and swallowing.

https://www.wsj.com/business/more-p...-work-thats-a-bad-economic-indicator-9693fddd

Five damned ingredients, two missing one wrong.
It's your lunch time maybe so no time to go back and get it fixed properly.

Holliday said:

Runaway inflation for 4 years, only to be capped off with a tariff war driving prices/costs up even more.

I sure hope Trump knows what he’s doing…..

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We could have just kept killing ourselves with death by a thousand cuts like every other US President has since Bretton Woods, and dug our heads deeper into the sand.

This is long overdue. These other countries have no future anyway due to demographic collapse. Europe and Asia are headed into the toilet since abortion and One-Child.

We aren’t going to see Chinese grandmas manufacturing our fake rubber dog excrement and built-to-fail household goods.

The Europeans can’t even seem to make their own small arms, let alone fighter jets, missiles, Air Defense radars, and critical combat systems at scale.

The freaking Eurofighter Program started in the late 1970s, demonstrator first flew in 1986, production didn’t start until 1994, fleet intro wasn’t until 2003, and they still have only made 609 of them as of January this year. A lot of those are sales to Middle East oil baron nations who are hedging their force structure against Iran. That’s how much confidence they have in regional security. They spend more than the Euro nations and want delivery ASAP.

Meanwhile the most common name in London is Muhammad as of 2023.

None of these historic trade partners are going to be reliable moving forward. You think Muhammad is going to solve engineering problems on future European fighter and missile programs? Dependence on the US as an exporter is only going to grow. We’re the 2nd largest exporter in the world, while exports are only 11% of our GDP.

Ttt

carbonbased said:

Just so we’re clear. Frank isn’t saying to never use a brush. Perhaps this has already been mentioned.

My underlining:


This is a post in which he details how he cleans:

Carbon ring removal

Youre not going to get a real answer to that question as there isnt really one because who really knows. Its just going to be a yes all of the above answer. Bore snakes dont do anything. Clean the carbon out and the copper if need be. Just clean it every few hundred instead of every many...

www.snipershide.com

I’ve also attached his pdf cleaning method that came straight from him.

He isn’t against all abrasives or brushes, just never use a brush with an abrasive. Never drag a brush over the crown. And he says to stay clear of JB red. He uses the blue JB or REM 40x cleaners every 300 rds or so, and cleans the same day as the shooting.

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You got it carbonbased!

Ttt.

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Charlie Papa said:

Scammers love this tactic

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I do this will everything I sell.

Dog&Jeep said:

Prayers being said for Shelia.
I went through it with my first Akita. We had four more good years together before she finally died of old age.

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Sorry for your loss, this is the second dog we rescued that has gone through this.
Thank you, all of you. My wife is losing her hearing and Shelia is her ears at night while I'm traveling on business, she is in deed the protector of my wife! We really appreciate everyone's thought's and prayers.

You won’t find me cheer-leading for any foreign ammo maker over US ones.

Not this guy.

So the natural response that should have happened already with ammo is more US-based production and manufacturing opportunities for US employees.

The only reason US customers buy foreign-made ammo is because they’ve been under-cutting us on costs, using cheaper labor in Eastern Europe, Mexico, and South Korea.

Combined with anti-gun traitors who also happen to be on Russian and Chicom bribery payroll over the past several generations, there has been a concerted effort to suppress US ammunition-manufacturing capacity.

Look at Council for a Livable World and all the US politicians they have helped get elected illegally with foreign influence. Every one of them reads like a who’s-who of anti-gun, anti-2A legislators.

This whole things is so much bigger than trade. The ammunition industry is a microcosm of a lot of it.

kthomas said:

Honest question - why do people care about having a purchase history on a website?

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I have bought something, had it arrive, realized it was awesome and immediately ordered another.

Having an order history makes this easier.

An order history also reminds me of things I've already tried and disliked in case I forget.

Hooray for aging.

-Stan

Saw today where one of the guys on the boat with him is a fireman in FL..

His department is pursing IA charges against him for not doing anything to help the kid.

Up.

Remember China declared a total people’s war against the US, after having stolen or bribed away tons of our industries since the 1990s under Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, and Biden.

China also has bought off an alarming number of parliamentarians in Canada, as well as Prime Minister Trudeau.

This isn’t about trade. It’s about US total security interests, after we have allowed “allies” and competitors to structure our system in their favor for generations.

Royal Canadian Air Force can’t even man 50% of their broken CF-18 Hornets, which they bought in the early 1980s. That means the NORAD Northern corridor is wide open to penetration and military action if Russia or China want to asset themselves more in the Arctic.

Now the whole Greenland deal falls into light, with Putin challenging Trump saying Trump can’t have Greenland. Punk, do you not remember Khasham in 2018? Don’t make us humiliate your bitch forces again for sport.