CSTactical said:

The Gen III was never Sub $2k officially as that is less than dealer’s cost, Scott at LO programmed many to believe that. But…

Some people did get free ones at matches and flip them or some people grabbed 50% off certificates on the prize tables.

All the above happened at a large scale and devalued the Gen III unfortunately, which is a fantastic scope under $3k.

Now Scott seems to be on the run and Vortex’s sales are hurting, IMO the best thing to do is not repeat lines like this, “ The Gen III was awesome at sub $2K but now with their crazy price increase I don’t know. ”

Their MAP pricing never changed, their MSRP to calculate discounts has.

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diggler1833 said:

That Element Theos looks like it has some of the same features as the NF ATACR, Trijicon Ten Mile, and Vortex Razor G3. I'm thinking they are all basically made at the same factory (someone please correct me and shed some light if I'm mistaken). So if that is the case, then it should be a pretty good performer. I have the other three, just not a Theos.

I watched some of the video (can't stomach Gavin schilling all that much), and definitely noticed the similarities. The reticle is basically the same as the Razor, but with the horizontal cross hair flipped. The 12 mil turrets and capped windage are like the NF. And the tooless zero is like the Trijicon. Plus it is roughly the same size. I'd have to monkey with it to see what the closest comparison is for the feel of the magnification, parallax, and turrets (but I'm guessing it is close to the others too...with the exception of the NF magnification).

If one didn't know and were able to identify reticles...I bet I could stick most people behind the other three and they'd have a hard time picking which was "best".

In which case, unless one hated or loved a particular feature...price point might be the biggest determining factor, as quality is going to be extremely close.

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Emerson0311 said:

The RPR is quite capable, even with CCI Standard Velocity. Yes, barrel, chassis and trigger are just ok, but adjustability for small kids to 6’+ adults is quite good. To the uninitiated it looks “cool” enough, and as a starter rifle it always has value to the next beginner. My kid’s first socket set wasn’t Snap On.

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Malum Prohibitum said:

Who is "We?" And since you must be included in we, who exactly is not allowing you in it?

Go to Schwab, or any other broker with after hours trading, open an account, and start trading after hours. Nobody is keeping you out.

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nockhunter said:

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GreenGO Juan said:

I don't know if mental health professionals is the right term.

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Sako man said:

It's difficult when your hard earned cash is on the line, right!

I have had all three, I still have the Theos on my SRS, great for 338lm with it's 36x mag and it's still usable at the top, I am considering picking up a second one, the prices on those are great. Also the tracking on the Theos is perfect, some other reviewers have said it's be best tracking optic they have tested. I felt like the NF kinda lost me after 30-32x. You can't go wrong with either three, however I will say it again. I do not like the RG3 turrets or it's weight. I did a comparo between the Razor and the Theos, they are made at the same factory, and are dimensionally identical, I think it's the same tube actually and some of the same lense elements so both offer excellent glass. The Theos turrets are honestly the best next to the TT, so easy to set and without a tool. Somehow the Theos is lighter however. The nice thing about NF however is that they have a wider verity of reticles, if you like simple the Mil-R or Mil-C is clean and easy. I would put it like this- the Theos and NF are equal but for different reasons, the Vortex would be my third pick of the three. If warranty is a big factor for you then my clear pick would be NF before the Theos as NF will fix your stuff state side, where the Element Theos will get fixed here as well but is a much smaller outfit at least in the states. The Vortex has a killer warranty but once again it would be my last pick for the other reasons I mentioned earlier.

here is a very extensive review of the Theos.
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DrDeath said:

Think so? Because I thought the hole spacing was different on the Savage LRPV

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