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MarshallDodge · Dec 19, 2024

Blue Sky Country · Dec 19, 2024

LANSING, MICHIGAN DEC 19, 2024

The final days of this year's Michigan State House legislative session ended today after a weeklong sustained boycott and filibuster by Republican delegates and one Democrat ally which resulted in the termination of two years of Democrat control, along with dozens of leftist bills that were snuffed out before they could be sent up to the second chamber for approval. The State House will restart again in January with the Republican Party in control holding a solid 58-52 majority.

Among the bills that were killed were bans on suppressors, "ghost guns", and bump stocks. Also killed were bills requiring non-cigarette pipe/cigar tobacco and electronic cigarette dealers to become licensed, which is great news for Michigan's very large nexus of industries catering to the vape, vape mod/tank building, and nicotine e-liquid making world. (Let me give a BIG shout out as well to Inline Vape in Michigan for consistent quality and service. We cloud-nuts who had been building variable wattage/voltage devices and running hot coils on salt nicotine juice since 2015 have relied on ya'll for most of the components.)

Michigan House ends session in boycotts, acrimony and dead legislation

The Michigan House adjourned Thursday until the end of the year following a days-long boycott of session that ended with an hour-long call of the House

www.detroitnews.com

AND UP NEXT FOR 2025:

LRRPF52 · Dec 19, 2024

SBRSarge said:
This nostalgic mind-trip makes me think…. I have a lot of AR platform guns, but none with the old style stock, front sight and hand guard.

Hmmm. I also have several un-built uppers and lowers in my safe. I might have to build a throw-back classic gun.

You haven’t been exposed to the Retro form of BRD yet?

mosin46 · Dec 19, 2024

they should all now be restrained and have it shot in them,then a restraint 2 weeks later for a "booster". if not that then fire all of them and confiscate any pension funds waiting for them.

spife7980 · Dec 19, 2024

Pretty sure it’s the langes precision chassis rebranded and glossed up from the prototypes I had handled

If I’m correct in my assumption then there have been a few in the stx matches this past year

bbowles · Dec 19, 2024

DairyDictator said:
I'm running 419 dies now and just sold my SAC dies.

When you pull the cap and collet assembly and stack them up outside the die, you should be able to look in the bushing and see a .125" ish gap between the neck-shoulder junction part of the bushing and the top of the sizing part of the mandrel. Please forgive the crude drawing but this is what you're looking for where the black ink is the bushing and red is the mandrel.

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Outer edge of my bushing is .080 from start of mandrel. The shoulder/neck junction of bushing is .114 to outer edge of bushing. Therefore, it is .194 from where neck starts in bushing to mandrel. This is without any shims at all. I tried 0,1,2 and 3 .025 shims. No luck with any setup. Rough sizing no matter what.

mosin46 · Dec 19, 2024

lost faith about 20 yr ago. endowment member $ long gone. but i learned later that they were just another corrupt NGO like red cross and most others.

Hecouldgoalltheway · Dec 19, 2024

So, and I'm asking.

If I bought a builder kit (because we all know that the receivers are actually irrelevant, as long as they aren't just complete junk and don't just fall apart)...

What would I stand to lose, other than resale value (if I know I'll never sell it, who cares), buy buying the very best components and assembling my own DI setup for half of what any of these factory rifles in this discussion cost?

This is rhetorical, but I am serious.

168BTHPM · Dec 19, 2024

168BTHPM · Dec 19, 2024

Dirty D said:
That’s also how I stuff your mom

Speaking of mom, she said you finally popped the question. Sorry she said, no you can't borrow her car.

bbowles · Dec 19, 2024

I get that. It's just not working even close to as nice yet. Hopefully, I have the patience to make it work. Otherwise, may try a simpler system like Cortina or Micron. Really like the thought of the bushings with shoulder built in though

jones87 · Dec 19, 2024

https://pgpft.com/

Always learn something new here

hlee · Dec 19, 2024

Steel+Killer said:
I have made all kind of neat stuff with mine.....

Glock Switch
Full auto sear for the AR15
Suppresser/Solvent trap
AR Lower
Glock Lower

Disclaimer: The above is just a joke!

Emerson0311 · Dec 19, 2024

Mark_Dorman said:
I ordered the new MDT Field Stock for the Ruger 10/22 over Black Friday. They released it the day before they went on sale so figured it was a great time to try one out. Some of you know that I'm a fan of MDT even though I don't run any of their chassis anymore. I've had an Oryx for my 10/22 and an ACC for my Vudoo and 223 R700. I am familiar with their quality, designs, and features.

I'll start off by saying I am probably not the typical 10/22 shooter so take what I value with a grain of salt. I'm an NRL/PRS guy who enjoys positional shooting. I don't shoot bench rest (outside of ammo testing) and I don't do a lot of off-hand rimfire shooting. That being said, I've been looking for a decent stock option for my 10/22 that would allow me to shoot it like my NRL/PRS guns (Vudoo 360 and CZ 457). I will probably never compete with the 10/22, I just like the idea of being able to and shoot those types of courses for fun.

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First Impressions:

Design seems robust and has a good feel to it. It definitely feels more solid than most composite stocks I've held. It does not feel like other MDT chassis I've handled (duh), though it might be similar to the XRS. Not a bad thing, just don't expect that normal heavy duty MDT feel of an ACC or Oryx (again, duh).

The quality for a polymer stock that retails for $300 (I paid $210 on Black Friday) is quite good. I've had a factory Ruger 10/22 stock and a Victor Titan in the past. This feels way higher quality; both in how stiff it is and how solid it feels. Gives a nice deep tone when you knock on it and doesn't sound like a toy.

Key Features & Pros:

Inletting - Aluminum Inletting gives the receiver a solid surface to mate to. Similar to having a Mini Chassis or V-Block bedding.
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Rear Anchor - Having a rear anchor system is really nice for performance. The system they developed for this stock is an idea I’ve heard kicked around for a while. It doesn’t seem like the most secure method, but it is better than nothing. You can see they use a plastic/polymer buffer bar that is longer than normal to attach the rear anchor. The buffer is also held in place by the stock when installed.
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M-Lok Forend - One of the biggest challenges with a 10/22 is getting it to balance for positional shooting. Most 10/22 stocks and chassis have shorter forends. This is probably because the majority of 10/22s come with 16 inch barrels. There are a handful of options that can balance out with a good amount of weights added (Kidd Precision Chassis, Grey Birch La Chassis, and maybe the KRG Bravo).

I’m not actually a big fan of Aluminum Chassis, I just don’t like the feel. So when the Field Stock became available with all these M-lok slots I got excited. I added an Area 419 weighted ARCA Rail to it already and it almost balances out perfectly. I think a few extra M-Lok weights and it’ll be perfect. Yes, I know you can balance a 10/22 more easily if you’re okay sitting it on top of the magwell, but I like my magazines changeable when it’s on a bag. Another plus, the forend bottom is flat unlike the Oryx. While you could still get an ARCA Rail to mount on the Oryx, the options were much more limited. You either had to flex/bend a thin one or use the MDT one made for it.

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Adjustability - The LOP can be changed with the spacers & hardware they include and the cheek comb is adjustable using a thumb screw (toolless).

Cons:

Rear Anchor - MDT missed out on a big opportunity to make another stock that is compatible with the Kidd Rear Tang. This is probably where they will lose some market share as a lot of people run Kidd (or Kidd Style) Rear Tangs/Anchors or plan to run one in the future. The system works fine, but it inherently doesn’t seem as secure/solid as the pinch system on the Oryx or a true bolt down anchor like the aforementioned rear tangs. Maybe MDT can comment on this as they designed it and I’m not an engineer.

Cheek Comb Riser - I understand why they used this design. It is very cost efficient. However, the system is not great at staying in place. The thumb screw can only go so tight without pulling out pliers and the cheek riser will still move with a moderate amount of force. Not that I usually press on my cheek comb hard, but I also don’t usually expect it to move if I put a bit more than normal cheek pressure on it. The cheek riser is also quite narrow so not the most comfortable.

My fix for both of these issues were pretty simple. I added a little bit of stick on rubber to the inside of the riser pillar and it seems to work. Had to get the placement right as going too low it would just get stuck. I also added some foam padding to the cheek comb to make it more comfortable and a little wider.

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Minor Grips that aren’t really cons:

LOP Hardware - MDT was nice enough to include the spacers. A lot of their stocks don’t come with them, though I’d take $30 off the price to not have them. The stock comes with a 14 inch Length of Pull with a single spacer installed from the factory. I pulled this 1/4 in spacer out to get a 13.75 in LOP. The gripe is about the hardware they include and use to secure the buttpad. The phillips head screws are in there super tight and it’s hard to not strip them while removing them. Hex screws would have been much nicer. Also, the longer screws they include for increasing LOP are not the same thread pitch. They’ll work since they’re just screwing into plastic, but how hard would it be to just use the same type of hardware?

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Conclusion/Summary:
For the price, I think the MDT Field Stock is a great stock option for the 10/22. I would choose this over the Victor Titan and several other options. However, is it a better option than the KRG Bravo? That’s the real question and I actually really want to do a side by side comparison now. The KRG Bravo retails for a very similar price (almost the same if you have to add on the LOP spacers). The main thing I can say I know I like better about the Field Stock vs the Bravo is the longer forend (about 2 inches longer). The Bravo is very short overall.

I plan to take the new setup out to the range this weekend so we’ll see how it feels to shoot. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase and think MDT did a good job. Maybe they’ll see this and consider making changes to the rear anchor in the future. I think it would be worth the effort.

Nice review. I’ve got one coming for a Savage MKII. Looking forward to it.

91Eunozs · Dec 19, 2024

Killed off the last of the Takumi Kentucky Owl. About as close to a very high end scotch as a bourbon can get, and still be a bourbon.

Damn fine drink…almost hate to see the bottom of this bottle, but it was great while it lasted!

346ci · Dec 19, 2024

12.5” mid gas .223 and 6.8 here, both suppressed.

Stealff · Dec 19, 2024

rookie7 said:
Paper or efile?

Efile

straightshooter1 · Dec 19, 2024

Bmghunter said:
There’s been quite a few discussion about neck tension, neck lube, and some discussion on primer weight sorting too and SD
I have no answers but just questions for the experts here.

Do you suppose that there is a good relationship between getting good SD and neck tension/lube has to do with whether a primer by itself causes enough pressure to dislodge the bullet from the case and enter the rifling? Or by how deep it enters?

Suppose a primer does not always dislodge bullet from the case depending on neck tension, neck crimp, and neck lube. So a lighter hold on the bullet from the neck would result is more likely to dislodge bullet with just the primer, and a stronger neck hold results in more unlikely to dislodge. Then wouldn’t it be a good assumption that a middle strength hold on the neck results in inconsistency in dislodging?

Wouldn’t this inconsistency cause the SD to be higher due to different combustion characteristics?

Then all this discussion around SD in relation to neck tension, lube, crimp, primer weights etc really are trying to find a combo that creates a consistent release?

If so, would a consistent strong neck grip that is stronger than the primer alone can dislodge be about as good as one that consistently allows the release? Or would one be preferable to another? Why?

If the powder is going to ignite, I don't think there's any way isolate what the primer is doing from the ignition of the powder that happening close to the same time, especially where the powder is so close to the initial flash of the primer through the flash hole.

What we do know is that different brands of primers produce a different amount of flash through the flash hole to ignite the powder. How consistent that flash ignites the powder is going to affect SD's. That's where sorting primers and consistent seating depths come in. Like, you sure don't want to mix different primers brands in your batch of reloads.

Remington 7.5's vs Federal 205M's:

DeadNoise · Dec 19, 2024

She gone! Traded

bbowles · Dec 19, 2024

I do anneal every firing on an Amp. Just was a mindset that I hated. Anyone have any experience with cortina or micron dies? I have a Micron seater and it's very nice. However, I think I like the SAC Infinity better. But their both nice.

AMG04 · Dec 19, 2024

Price drop across the board

ChiefSillyHorse · Dec 19, 2024

Awesome rifle. Seller is 100% gtg multiple transactions face to face.

Guns&WhiteWater · Dec 19, 2024

I think it just arrived.

Edit: ... And it’s going back.

kft101 · Dec 19, 2024

rothperson87 said:
Is this as far in as the length of pull goes on the HS Precision stocks? It looks like it should go in more but the knob is bottomed out. I can’t get the eye relief I need with it this far out. Thanks.
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Never mind, I stand corrected!

Dirty D · Dec 19, 2024

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