faylix said:

Other people mentioned the HOWA stuff and honestly I almost went for it - I keep seeing cool howa builds on here and Ive since found barrel and trigger upgrades for them. If you don't plan to shoot more more than 500 yards Its a real option.

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I have shot my $429 Howa Barreled Action from Brownells in 6.5 Creedmoor to 1,200 yards.

-Stan

What Monkey and CK say above, nothing wrong with moving a scope in rings around to different rifles, with proper torque wrenches you'll return to zero pretty good; however, keep in mind each rifle will have a different zero (unless you get very lucky) so you have to keep track of what offsets or re-zero for each platform.

GreenGO Juan said:

Thats whats going to be worked on. I think a big part of the idea is not allow Hamas, or something similar to re imbed them selves like they were.

I wish I had the magic answer. I don’t.

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Well the answer wasn't anything the J-state has been doing with > $310,000,000,000 of our money and weapons. That's the real number too.

There are more members of Hamas today than on 06 October, and the genocide has only been "successful" in converting fence sitters to sympathizers, sympathizers to supporters, supporters to enablers, and enablers to actors.

I'm not talking just inside the J-state either... this is worldwide. (Clarification- there are more al Qassam members inside Gaza today, and there are many more supporters worldwide)

It's like the J-state used our occupied government to implement the Yinon Plan for decades all over the region, spilling our blood and spending even more of our money... and never even cared enough to pay attention or learn anything about full-spectrum modern warfare.

They just kept cashing our checks, lobbing bombs into their concentration camps, and stealing people's houses.

Usaf197 said:

Currently I have a vortex viper pst gen 2 5-25 and I have an Arken EP 7-35 gen 2.

Personally the glass in the 2 above optics to my eye are just fine.

I want something America. Papa trump is back and it’s time to go Mercian.

Having said that I don’t have any reps behind more “primo” glass.

I’ve held just about every optic in hand at a Scheels but looking through any optic indoors at maybe 50 yards I can’t tell a big difference.


Tons of knowledge on here so I have the option between an NX8 or a MK5 (have mil discount so that helps).

Which would you go with? And why?

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You haven't given a purpose for the scope. What kind of shooting do you intend to do, what rifle is this going on, you plan on entering any competitions, is this for an AR or a crossover hunting/long range rig? The NX8 is a fairly niche scope that I wouldn't compare to Mark 5, I would compare the ATACR more to the Mark 5 line to be honest. ATACR is assembled in USA but NX8 is made/assembled in Japan if I'm remembering right, just an FYI.

If you really want to go full 'Merica! then find yourself a nice used Vortex AMG 6-24x50 these were 100% made in the USA not just assembled in the USA, later versions had the reticle etched in Germany but everything else was America strong!

10ring1 said:

....ssoooo what ur essentially saying is don't hold my breath waiting for backorder from Xmas sale right?

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It could be an early Festivus miracle...

sacklunch said:

Did the hot barrel increase speed and get back what the rifle likes with the can on

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Makes sense, could be. Heat expands the barrel (from inside out obviously=bore), stiffness is reduced, and harmonics change. Could be any or all of the above contributing to it.

I'm sure you know strings like that will toast the throat (and accuracy) in short order with what's already a burner in the 6 Creed.

GBMaryland said:

What velocities are you getting in your 300 PRC?

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Haha I had the same question. I am running 230 A Tips at 2780 with a charge of Retumbo in a 24" barrel. Could go hotter but shoots great with single SDs.

biometrician said:

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Shot this group. It's 12rds at 100yds off a bipod/rear bag. Not too shabby. It's a 24" M24 contour Osprey in 300prc. Factory 225gr ELDM. Not too shabby, eh?

This is the rifle:

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About exactly how my 300PRC shoots. What did you get for speed with the factory ammo?

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I always crack up when I see this one. That picture is from my AO.

warnera1102 said:

How does it do with very small powder like BLC-2 or CFE 223? I have a gen 2/3 and the hornady drop hates that powder.

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It's really mostly set up for extruded powders at the moment. Need to do some testing with ball powder, but there are some limitations with keeping it where it's supposed to be that are much more difficult.

Guns&WhiteWater said:

Euro lists the TT’s exit pupil as being 11.5mm on its minimum magnification. Kahles lists theirs as having 7.4mm. Does this equate to the Tangent as having a more forgiving eye box, or is there more to this than the exit pupil?

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Yes, the erector and focal length also play a role in how forgiving the eyebox is. The TT is very forgiving and I'd have a hard time thinking the 8x Kahles K328i would be better; however, I have not seen the Kahles K328i so its hard to know what trickery they may have used to help improve eyebox performance, but in fact, you mention one of those "tricks" when you say Kahles lists their exit pupil at 7.4mm. In general exit pupil is mathematically equated by taking the objective size divided by the magnification so in theory the Kahles should have 14.3mm exit pupil at 3.5x, but one way to help with such a high erector is to limit the exit pupil which it appears Kahles has done here. Does a larger exit pupil equate to a more forgiving eyebox - in general yes, but there are other factors within the optical formula that effect eye box which is why eye box is not a spec that any manufacturer provides, you have to experience it for yourself. Finally, exit pupil is not always linear, so just because Kahles is limited at 3.5x doesn't mean it will be as limited at 15x, you would have to talk with Kahles and see if they'd be willing to share the exit pupil values at multiple magnifications.

That said, there are some guys on the Hide who have TT's, ZCO's et al and also have the K328i so hopefully one of them will chime in and offer up some real world thoughts as to how forgiving these two scopes are in comparison at 15x...

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zr600 said:

I would like to know have you tried n570 that might be the one.

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I've tried it with Retumbo and 8133 on the big end so far. Works great.

Pok said:

Someone sure mentions cock a lot. Obsessively so.

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Freud has some thoughts on that behavior.

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He’s looking at this thread right now

Maxfield912 said:

8lbs 7oz -barrel, action, triggertech trigger, asr brake, mdt bottom metal, manners pro hunter.

6lbs 3oz -barrel, action, trigger and brake.after seeing that I'm going to have to order a o

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Maxfield912 said:

8lbs 7oz -barrel, action, triggertech trigger, asr brake, mdt bottom metal, manners pro hunter.

6lbs 3oz -barrel, action, trigger and brake.

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I'm going to have to order a stock in that color now.

I’m in the Lapua camp. But when I first got my 300WSM many years ago I bought a lot of Nosler brass. It’s been great and was all I could find at the time. 300WSM is a great cartridge, let us know what you decide.

You know the batch of scum being booted out . The despicable types.

So they will have harder time finding jobs and get paid less.

If cocaine was on the commodities market I would short the hell out of it.

Not to be confused with snorting the hell out of it. That's one of the ways we got to this point I figure. Lol

doubloon said:

It's a shear at the end of a 500 ton press like you find at a scrap yard recycling big chunks of metal.

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Gotcha. I work at a steel mill, and one the company's out here, have one similar, to cut up scrap beam

PRS-JohnB said:

Obviously all things equal lighter is better, but low light performance is top of the list. So I would tolerate a heavier scope, even a boat anchor if it was worth it optically. My average hike to a stand is 300-500 yards. So weight won’t break me. Reticle wise I like minimal. Ideally for a hunting optic I would prefer illuminated but only the center most portion and not the full reticle bc it tends to overflow at dusk.

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Low light being top priority changes things, while 50mm generally do great in low light hard to beat physics with a larger 56mm objective. Maybe try to find yourself a nice Hensoldt 4-16x56... of the 50mm objective scopes I found the Tangent Theta 3-15x50 to be one of the brightest, coupled with the mildot reticle you might just be very happy.

Update to post. My apologies, I was lied to by a fellow Hide member when I traded for this. It is actually a 16” barrel, and is NOT P&W. For this deception and my mistake in post I am taking an additional $200 off the LMT.