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Ok so i have more updates.

With PP2000MR I made it to 48.4 grains and quit there. I got a mild bolt stick at the very top of the lift, just enough to cause a hitch. Brass still looks good, these 30 pieces are at 9 firings, primers are still tight. I have been annealing after every firing. Also the previous session required trimming about .08 off.
48-averaged 2677 with 1.15" group
48.2- averaged 2683 with .75"
48.4- averaged 2704 and exactly 1" with mild bolt stick

1 more varget load got tested as well.
45.2- averaged 2686 and .89" no bolt issues or brass issues. May try another load of 45.4

Beyond Pissed Applied Ballistics Licensing

@DocUSMCRetired mentioned “per government contract” it is designed by necessity to not need “the internet”. This prohibits that mode of “authentication”…. But…. Wait for it…. The new App when paired to a kestrel elite gives you kestrel elite access for 30 days.

These guys are doing more math and processing at such a level that changing an “internal” serial number shouldn’t create the amount of ass pain it does.

And on a side note… because a government agency wants something should not make it the standard of service. On a consistent and predictable basis I had to purchase mission essential shit to be operationally ready because I couldn’t count on “the supply chain system” working. This ranged from comfort items to mission essential (read keep you alive) shit.

I hold @DocUSMCRetired with high regard for the simple fact he was an FMF Corpsman. I had great “Docs”. I think more than anything that’s why I was disappointed with the “canned bullshit” answers.

When a government agency pays for the development of a software, they get to pick and choose how it works and who gets to use it. These responses are not canned bullshit, I have been here since 2014. These are from my internal knowledge of how things work.

Since we self developed AB Quantum in house, we get to choose how it works etc.
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DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

For those that Pre-Ordered Magazines yesterday:

If you pre-ordered and have a Gmail email address, it's likely you've not received your invoice yet. This problem appeared yesterday, and I have informed my merchant services provider of the issue.

Those that have provided an alternate address has immediately received the invoice. So, if you've not received it and have an alternate non-Gmail address, I can easily edit the invoice and re-send.

Very sorry for the inconvenience.

MB

Active Shooter at Fort Stewart

Active duty military is as close to a socialist society as we have anywhere in America. They tell you where you will live, what job you will have, what you can and can’t say and that drills down to minute details of your life in many aspects. Free room and board, unlimited medical, guaranteed paycheck first and fifteenth. In return they get institutionalized warriors used to following every order to the word, at the sacrifice of many Constitutional protections where failure to obey is a criminal offense and no, you can’t quit until your years long contract is up. A necessary evil to institute discipline, but military society is anything but freedom based.

Commanders are control happy, and the older they are and longer they’ve lived in that anti-freedom environment the less likely they are to allow anything similar to regular society. Sad they keep getting taught the same lesson, and shameful they preach run-hide on base.

This shooter would get the infamous words from my old Platoon Sergeant, a cowboy boots and hat wearing Black Texan: “Punks like you give my race a bad name…”. That Marine was fucking awesome.
Control Happy? No, having been in leadership positions it sucks getting called to the floor because one of our guys did something stupid.

Personal responsibility is a thing, the military just forgot that and commanders careers are on the line as always (I'm sure that moron shooters CDR will be asked what he did to try and prevent that dumbass from being an active shooter, what his safety briefings look like, what his counseling's looked, what he (the CDR) did to prevent or cause this, etc etc etc etc), that CDR is probably getting the Spanish Inquisition treatment.
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Precision shooting off a vehicle

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Depending on how far out you’re shooting (or how high you have your magnification at), even a mild breeze would cause your vehicle to twitch and be noticeable through your scope.
I will say that the times I've done it, I've never noticed any vehicle movement in the scope, except when flopping around to get into position. We don't get much wind here though, so that probably matters also.
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Vudoo closed the doors…

I doubt it. Shooting a stationary rifle from a bench and being obsessed with the minutia of reloading and the mechanical precision of the firearm is not the problem. I respect engineers, and respect the kind of mind that would gravitate to that as a hobby. Not only do I not have a problem with it, I fully acknowledge that most of our reloading techniques and practices were pioneered in the benchrest community, as well as all the precision machining going into firearms construction. They have advanced shooting and competitive shooting in many important ways.

My issue is with their community as a whole, and the pervasive contemptable behavior of the people in it. The respect does not go both ways. I find them to be very arrogant in general, dismissive of actual skill and ability that they almost never posses, and hostile to anyone outside of their little worlds. The benchrest clubs that I have shot at are chock full of complete antisocial assholes. They enforce dumbest rules with gestapo like zeal. They love rules like having to quality every hundred yards beyond 200 all the way to 1,200, and holding each distance qualification once a month so it takes almost a year to shoot on their long range. I've seen them throw a guy out and ban them from their club for not wearing ear-pro when shooting subs from a suppressed .22. No warning, just banned from the club. Seems to me they are generally unhappy people who's only pleasure in this life are making other people as unhappy as they are. The scorn I've witnessed them heap on field matches and actual marksmen was like bad satire. I could scarcely believe what I was hearing. I like what they do, and hate who they are.

In just about every shooting discipline whether it's black powder, pistol games, shotgun sports, rifle competitions, .22s, etc. the community is open and loves to help new shooters who are interested feel welcome, get involved, and learn. If you don't have the correct gear everyone jumps in to help. Total opposite of the BR community. I've done a little of everything, and shooting sports people are always the best. The benchresters are a closed, cliquish bunch of assholes who are generally shit human beings inside and outside of their little hobby. If there is another shooting sport at their club they will do everything they can to kill it, and are not above little bitch, high school politics of lying and cheating to do it, because they feel anyone who can actually shoot a gun is a threat. Go to any club where they dominate and you'll find the same thing. I've never been to one that I even had a passing interest to join, and I am positive that they want it that way on purpose.

I honestly can't stand them because of their common distain for ACTUAL marksmen when the sum total of their shooting skills is pushing a button. They actuate their guns, they don't shoot them. Their skill level of often less than that of my kids, and I think because of that they act like actual marksmanship means nothing. They're machinists, not marksmen. I've seen them distain even the champions of other shooting sports to cover the shame of their non-shooting with arrogance. Fuck them, and fuck their whole community. You tell me you're a benchrest shooter and I'm going to immediately treat you like an ignorant asshole who is not worth one second of my time. The only exception to that are the guys who also participate in other shooting sports, because they have the patience Job to deal with all the assholes in the benchrest community.

Don't get me wrong, I am friendly acquittances with a couple of benchresters who shoot F-Class matches at my non-benchrest club. Not really guys I care to make actual friends with, but they're tolerable at least outside of their little BR cliques. I don't know why it attracts these kinds of people, but that's been my experience, and it keeps getting reconfirmed every time I'm dumb enough to shoot at match at a club they control (which hasn't been for a while).

Truth be told, BR is not the only hobby like that. I've found the same thing in the cave diving community, and in Funny Car drag racing. The high cost of admission may be a factor, but I know many rich people who are wonderful human beings. There are other high-cost-of-admission sports/hobbies that seem to attract the same kinds of assholes.
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A man after mine own heart, I feel ya brother.
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Precision shooting off a vehicle

Has anyone ever noticed any precision (or accuracy) issues when shooting prone off of a stationary vehicle? Such as prone out of the bed of a pick-up, or off a decent sized trailer? Does movement of the vehicle on the suspension come into play, or is there just too much weight for it to move in time to effect trajectory? I've used a platform on a trailer to get above weeds before, and everything seemed solid enough. I got a first round hit at 950 so I guess I can't say it caused any problems. But I've never tried to shoot groups off it for load development either.

Anyone ever see any issues?
No. I shoot on my own range, out of the truck bed prone 2-3x/wk. The range is 1626yds and the target is a standard IPSC, with a large steel plate behind it to spot misses (because we don’t get dust puffs in the Southeast like they do out West). It works fine, even with a brake, because the muzzle is nearly centered between the tail lights and hangs out past them. Shooting across the tailgate, side to side, like that .gif, is not recommended.
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Bedding question

I'm thinking it's stress induced in the barrel myself. It's like clockwork. You can count on the first one to be ½" high and slightly left. Usually 11:30, 11:45. Sometimes the first two will be up there touching. The next three will usually drop in the same hole right where they should be.

Even at that, it still shoots .5 moa. It'd be in solid .3xx territory if it weren't for the :LOL: outlier :LOL: in the bunch.

Mine becomes pretty noticeable at 300+ yards (it is a 7mm RM) when I will double group with two inches between groups if I try more than 3 rounds. Fortunately, since it is a hunting rifle I (hopefully) only need one shot. Not that I've killed a lot with it, but it has gone 3 for 3 for me (170, 255, and 295 yards), and the 150gr Nosler Accubond LR is pretty devastating.

Either way man, I hope that you get it sorted out.
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New Contest Starting Now! This Target Haunts Me

Here’s one from the teen years. It was one of those mornings that felt like the my fingertips were about to fall off. Cold, wet, and gray January in Newberry, South Carolina.
The kind of day where the rain doesn’t fall in drops so much as it hangs in the air, clinging to my clothes, my hat, my rifle.
The woods were still, except for the faint hiss of drizzle hitting the leaves. The smell of wet dirt and pine needles was heavy enough to taste. My breath fogged out in short, nervous bursts as I lay prone behind the rifle, cheek welded to my 30-06 looking through the old weaver scope prowling away. That’s when I saw him.
A tall, heavy eight-point, ghosting out from behind a tangle of sweetgum and pine at the far edge of the clearing—350 yards if it was an inch. He wasn’t in a hurry, but he wasn’t hanging around either. The kind of buck you tell yourself is too far, too risky, and yet your finger still finds its way toward the trigger.
What stupid decision to go for. My mind was all over the place with this shot.
I’d checked my zero two days before, but the memory hit me then. How I’d done it in fair weather, no wind, no rain. Today the breeze was quartering hard from the left, steady but with a lazy, unpredictable gust every so often. I adjusted for it, but maybe not enough. Or maybe too much.
I slowed my breathing, felt the familiar tug of the sling biting into my arm, and let the crosshairs settle just off his shoulder. My hands were damp, fingertips numb, the trigger colder than the air. One last inhale. A half exhale. I creeped that trigger and boom. The rifle barked, the recoil rolled through my shoulder, and through the scope I caught just a flash of movement—his head snapping up, muscles bunching. He bolted, white tail bouncing, running into the creek and up the back property.
I stayed there a while, scanning the back field and creek. Nothing. I knew I F’d up and never should’ve chanced that distance.
That was the one that got away. The buck whose rack I measured a hundred times in my mind. The zero had drifted, and so had he. And every so often, on a quiet night, I close my eyes and I’m back there—finger curled, breath held, crosshairs steady—and for just a heartbeat, I swear I still have him.

Solus or Origin for first custom build?

Exactly my point. Not even sure they are making a .223 for a Solus yet. Heard they were but haven’t checked. Also if he wanted a Grendel/ARC he is out of luck. Just something to think about for the OP when making his decision. If he doesn’t care about anything but .308 sized bolt face then it’s a push between the two as they both use the same shouldered prefits.

Agreed. Just clarifying in case he took it as the Solus can't change bolt face.

Solus or Origin for first custom build?

As is the Solus (if you can find the bolt face you're looking for). However not sure if they have all the options as the Origin does currently (PPC face etc..)

Either action would likely serve you well. Most will recommend the Origin as there's concerns with Aero's financial status and support.

Exactly my point. Not even sure they are making a .223 for a Solus yet. Heard they were but haven’t checked. Also if he wanted a Grendel/ARC he is out of luck. Just something to think about for the OP when making his decision. If he doesn’t care about anything but .308 sized bolt face then it’s a push between the two as they both use the same shouldered prefits.
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