Titanium blue ACC Elite, new in the box. Not even put together yet. Decided to go a different direction. $1300 Shipped.




XLR Envy Pro with Short C-6 buttstock. 3 internal weights, short brass spigot, original aluminum nubby front plug and 6 steel outer MLOK weights included. No rear weights and this is earlier Envy Pro doesn't have adjustable mag catch. Ran fine with the Bergara B-14r I had on it. $800 Shipped.

Think of this thread as a petition to manufacturers to show there is serious interest in this type of scope if done right.

First I think we need to define what an MPVO is so we don't confuse this with a crossover scope or a hunting scope et al. The term MPVO is a natural progression of the term LPVO which stands for Low Powered Variable Optic and traditionally the "low" has been referred to as 1x. What are LPVO scopes designed for, by and large, the gas gun platform especially with the AR being America's most popular sporting rifle. But maybe you've discovered that while your beloved 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO is amazing in its own right, it struggles a bit with longer range engagements and PID. You might also have caught on to the trend of piggybacking or offsetting a RDS sight and recognizing the advantages this brings. The MPVO then becomes a natural progression of the LPVO that fills the gap between the LPVO and the Crossover style scope with the "M" standing for "medium" and thus medium powered variable optic and along with a piggyback/offset RDS bridges the gap nicely.

So here are my thoughts on what would make an effective MPVO:

• FFP design with generous FOV (EDIT and adjustable parallax
• Above 1x and no more than 2.5x on the bottom of the magnification range (anything more and we get into the Crossover market)
• At least 10x top magnification
• Lighter weight, preferably under 25oz
• No more than 12" long because this needs to also work for the night hunters using thermal clip-ons
• Low profile exposed turrets (remember we might be piggybacking an RDS and need to be able to see the dot)
• Capped windage
• Given that in general larger objective scopes weigh more, probably keep the objective below 50mm
• Must have a reticle that is usable for fast and close engagements at the bottom of the mag range (think of most LPVO style reticles) but also work at the top mag ranges (so a hybrid of both LPVO and long range FFP reticle).
• EDIT: Excellent illumination would be a plus, center daylight bright.

Why have so many MPVO style scopes failed? Personally I think many of the existing scopes that come close to the above have struggled, not because there is no demand, but because the manufacturers blow it on one of the above criteria. We are finally seeing some movement in this area with the new ZCO 2-10x30, the Leupold Mark 5 2-10x30 (especially with new CMR-Mil reticle), the Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42, the March 1.5-15x42 and one of the older designs in the Athlon Helos BTR G2 2-12x42.

Share your thoughts and ideas...

UPDATE 02/20/2025:
Okay, after almost 1 week we have 154 entries into the poll.


For political polls they are often using a sample polling size of about 2000 to 3000 people to represent the 150,000,000 people who vote in our country. Let's take the high number of 3000, that is just 0.00002 of the people represented which if I have my numbers right means the 154 respondents above represent 7,700,000 shooters (that's right, almost 8 million shooters , that is if I did my math correctly which was never my strong suit).

So according to the above numbers, manufacturers take notice, that means that 42% would like to see a 2-12x42 scope that fits the MPVO criteria laid out in the OP above, or put another way, 3,249,400 (three million two hundred and fifty thousand) shooters are interested in an MPVO done right.

Let's be clear once again and I'll start by stating what an MPVO is not, an MPVO IS NOT a crossover scope (though it could be used for crossover applications on a hunting rifle that is also used for long range steel shooting). An MPVO IS the next evolutionary step from an LPVO and is intended first and foremost for the gas gun crowd; therefore, it cannot have a higher bottom magnification than 2.5x (any higher puts it into the crossover category). An MPVO serves as an alternative to the limitations of the LPVO for PID and longer distance engagements while still maintaining a lighter weight, this is a short/compact FFP scope with parallax adjustment, lower profile exposed elevation turret (locking ideal), bright illumination and most importantly a reticle that works for quick engagements at the bottom magnification with a mrad hash option that works at higher magnifications for longer distance engagements.

By the way, this was meant to be somewhat in jest with the above numbers, we understand that polling can be a bit skewed (especially when they focus in the wrong area to represent a fair demographic) but it does help to understand a sampling of interest from a community.

UPDATE 03/03/2025:
Okay, we are just over two weeks into the poll and at 185 total votes; however, with 30 some more votes than last week, we went from 42.2% to 41.6%, so rounding shows we are staying at a steady 42% for the 2-12x42. Hopefully this gives manufacturers something meaningful to chew on and consider. The next higher percentage below is from the "I don't care" crowd who just want something with a better reticle in a FFP scope - something that works well at bottom magnification and at top and the third highest percentage is what I would call a hybrid between a crossover and an MPVO with the 2.5-15x44. Unfortunately, it takes at least a couple years to flush out a design, what we need is a good LOW 2-12x42 design that other manufacturers can OEM and put in their reticles (reticles designed for MPVO/crossover) and their turrets (lower profile).



We are now just over a month in and the numbers are holding pretty steady. We have about 15% increase in votes (from above) but the 2-12x42 remains the top option with the next top being the "just make the reticle right" crowd.

Anyone happen to know the screw size of the screws that attach the NV bridge to the BA Comp? I purchased a used chassis and it was missing these screws. I was gonna going to call MPA and run up to ace but MPA is closed.

H hi all

Wonder if those that have had custom rifles build, 300PRC thats shooting the Hornady ATip what custom measurements did you go for (like Freebore), that works well with the 250gr ATips.

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SOLD H59 MK5


AVAILABLE 1.5" 0 MOA 35mm AUS mount

A few scratches on turret.

Both come with original box.

SOLD$1,375 shipped optic

AVAILABLE$190 shipped mount.

Electronic payments.

Not a Sniper Rifle but a vintage target rifle. I bought a Pre64 Model 70 from the CMP in 30-338win. I’m finally getting around to reloading for it and am wondering what the twist rate would be. Anyone have any insight on what the AMU would have been running on their match guns back in the day?

Looks like the MK TMB has had a completely new design. Someone else pointed out this was on the website yesterday.

Seems the brake is manufactured very similarly to a suppressor where each baffle/port is machine separately and welded together.
The tuner also seems to be made of brass.

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For this man’s nephew born in 1996- he is currently in a state halfway house. So they arrested his uncle - because it’s hard to match names and dates of birth . Looking for someone 29 year old - arrest someone who’s 54.
And keep him on cuffs and search his house and vehicle even after they find out he’s not the guy .
And the best part - then they have a debate on if they have to read him his rights - fucking stellar!

Let’s give it two stars - they did match the address - and they didn’t shoot any dogs or peons , but they did arrest the wrong guy - when they knew it was the wrong guy - and weren’t sure about reading his rights .

Picked up from a member here. Never mounted.
Probably more scope than I’ll need.
Comes with factory box and all factory items.

$2300 shipped

Want to buy

M14 surefire break FA762K

I know rather hard to find i had one years ago and sold it so i know there out there .

Please pm me with your price.

Putting this up for sale.

For $150 will also include FDE Cantilever Ultralight Mount.

Photos here. Awesome glass. Just moving to 6mm ARC and want more magnification.

Hey everyone, I am wondering how you can determine caliber coefficient. Not to be confused with ballistic coefficient though bc is required to determine this. The CC is a number derived from the bc and the caliber your are shooting.

I may not be calling it by the correct name. It’s part of the wind deflection calculation.
RC x (WS/CC) x WV = #MRAD x 3.438 = #MOA

So for your CC for a .308 win in this 4
A 300 win mag would be 5

What’s the formula to determine the CC for different calibers. Please provide the forms and an example.

Seems like a decent price and good optic. I like the locking turrets. Anyone have any experience with them? Or know of any other budget friendly quality options? Want to stay around $1000. 3-18, 2.5-20, 4-20 power. Don’t really care for the illuminated reticle. Want to use for long range shooting but also on a dedicated hunting gun to pack around in the mountains. Thanks

I am not interested in any other ATACR model. Only model C555 with MOAR-T

Thanks

So am currently brainstorming if I can make a multi caliber rifle out of a Terminus Zeus QC LA. The calibers I intend to run are 300 PRC, 7 PRC, 6.5 creedmoor. This will be running out of a AX AICS chassis or Foundation Stock, I know that there is no issue with the PRC cartridges besides barrel changes so it comes down to the 6.5 creedmoor. As of now magazines that will feed reliably are the main concern as am sure Terminus has .308 LA bolts. I know theres AXSR magazines that are designed to feed 6.5 CM but I believe those are double stack and the magazines on the AX chassis and Foundation are single stack.

Are there single stack magazines out there that will feed 6.5 CM reliably on a LA? maybe inserts?

Are there other issues I should be worried about?

Does this make any sense? can it be done?

Have two rifles i’m looking to sell or trade towards glass.

Factory Radian Model 1 16”
Geissele SSAE Trigger
Choice OF ASR, KEYMO, or a brake
Low round count
$2350

Factory SOLGW FCD Rifle
Geissele SSAE Trigger
NOX Keymo muzzle device.
Low round count
$2100

Just been experimenting with AR’s and looking to top one of my other rifles off with a NF 4-16 or 4-20(MIL-XT). Will consider that as trade.

Currently in SC, but am driving down to Florida tomorrow in case someone has one along the way they want to trade or would like to do a FTF transaction.

I believe his account was hacked possibly. Anyway got me for 950$ everything seemed legit and matched up. Would be nice to have some protections on this stuff since we now have to pay to sell.

Like new with box and all packaging details.

$450 shipped

Login to view embedded media Here is my review for those interested. TL;DW—it’s a really cool little PDW package. Nice to be able to drop a (non-RDS) carry or full length slide and FCU into it and have an easier to shoot package that can store 43+ rounds on board. Suppressed with the Wolfman I found that it gassed me out really fast, being so close up on it. All in all, if you have a 320 or FCU sitting around due to the current issues with the platform, this might be the ticket for you.

I have a new never used Manners MCS T stock in Elite fill. Painted desert sand.
inlet for defiance tenacity--Proof Sendero--Hawkins M5 bottom metal. $500 shipped

Can it be fixed?!

This is a transferable, former movie gun, posted on GB. Seller (No affiliation and don't know) has 2 broken receivers for sale. EA receivers are cast, anyone know good AL welder, or would JB Weld work!! There are/were some Class 2's that have repaired forged receivers in the past but they are getting fewer and fewer.

Back in the day, John Norrell in Little Rock bought drums of de-milled M1-16 receivers and picked through them. machined, and welded 2 parts to create a transferable and he welded a bunch of receivers.
His welded receivers are hard to tell without a x-ray. Stemple is reported to have done some welded receivers also.

Hey y'all!

We have a DEMO Eotech Clip IR SR MK2 with the FTS mount up for grabs here at SOK. These are really cool and can be used as a clip on and stand alone sight. It's fully collimated and will take around 6x day scope mag comfortably. The Clip IR SR achieves a lot of the Voodoo S functionality for a lot less money. It's in like new condition, with 0 blems or issues, and it comes with the full 10 year warranty upon sale!
listing for $9,000.00 + tax Sold

Text, call, or email me if interested!
Tyler Martin
214-507-7208
[email protected]

I’m currently assembling a rifle for my daughter and I (she’s 9) it started off as a bergara b14r in a MPA BA comp chassis and I’ve been spotting her impacts more than I’ve been shooting lately lol. So the plan is to drop a 6.5 creedmoor barreled action into the chassis and extend our ranges a bit.

-Gun Details - Will be a competition contour 6.5 creed 26”, MPA BA chassis, big horn orgin action etc. I want it 20lbs+ so she is extremely comfortable behind it.

-Shooting style - We don’t compete we just shoot for fun. I want the 6.5 CM to be a 1000 yard and in gun for her and my plans is to later have a 7ss, 7saum barrel spun up and stretch out to a mile.

-Conditions - We shoot no matter rain or shine but the optic must be good in low light as this will serve as a deer hunting gun as well (we shoot from a bench and tripods) we rarely walk over 100 yards to a stand so a heavy gun will not be a problem.

-Specifications needed - Needs to be FFP and in mils other than that the heavier the better. Considering the 7-35 magnification range this go around.


My experience with good quality glass is a leupold Mark 5 5-25x56 and a few lower end Night force scopes. The mark 5 does everything well so I would like a scope at least on par with it or a slight step up.

SOLD (with price intentionally left so others can gauge the market)


Ckye-pod Triple pull gen 2

New in box, opened just for photo.


800 shipped to your lower 48 door, PP/FF








SOLD