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Rifle Scopes LPVO 1-6 vs. 1-8 - What´s the difference?


Hello guys,
I´m on the hunt for a LPVO for my AR15 for distances of 600yds. or in.

I´m only interested in technical/use/optical answers, unregarded of the prize.
Just trying to understand the pros and cons to make a decision which way I should go.

So I understand, that a 1-8 or even a 1-10 has the benefit of a higher magnification over a 1-6.
But then I read a lot of the "downsides" of such highly-magnified LPVOs with the higher zoom rates.

There seem to be lacks in the optical performance?
If so, are those downsides worth the higher magnification?

Please school me about that.

300 Norma Mag

jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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300 Norma Mag Load Data
10/14/2014
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Wanted to get this back up on the new site:

There is lots of scattered handloading info for the 300NM but I haven't found a dedicated thread so I started one. Loads are organized by bullet weight. Anyone have a different load they really like? Here's what I've found so far:

Trim to: 2.4902" min 2.502" max

208 AMAX
87gr H1000
28” 1-9 Pac-Nor
3140fps

210gr Berger
89.5gr Ramshot magnum
27” 1-10 Rock Creek

210gr Berger
89 g. Retumbo
27" barrel
3130 fps

215gr Berger
92grs RL33
30” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3157 fps (90% case fill)

215gr Berger
89gr Retumbo
26” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3130fps

220gr SMK
92gr H-1000
26” Broughton 1-9
Fed 215GM
COAL 3.463
3003fps

220gr SMK
91gr N-570
30" Bartlein 1-10
Fed 215GM
3200fps

Berger 230gr
H1000 85.5 gr
27” 1-10 Krieger 5R
Velocity ???

Berger 230gr
Retumbo 87gr
27” 1-10 Krieger 5R
Velocity ???

Berger 230gr
H1000 80.7gr
30" 1-10" Lilja
Fed 215M
COAL 3.526"
Velocity ???

230gr Berger
89grs RL33
30” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3050 fps (90% case fill)

230gr Berger
86gr Retumbo
26” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3020fps

230gr Berger
88gr RL33
Barrel ???
COL 3.510
2907fps ES: 3.5

230gr Berger
86gr H50BMG
25.5” barrel
FED 215M
COAL 3.530”
2800fps ES: 3.6

230gr Berger
86gr N570
1-10 barrel
Fed 215M
3001fps

230 Berger
85.3gr Retumbo
26" barrel 1:9.5
WLRM primers
2940fps

240gr SMK
81.7gr H-1000
26” Broughton 1-9
Fed 215GM
COAL 3.436
2875fps

240gr SMK
H1000 81.7gr
Fed 215M
COAL 3.436”
Velocity ???

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mkollman74XFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
10/14/2014


I am not in a position to contribute at this time, but I am a consumer of the info contained. With any luck I'll get my 300 Norma built, and be able to contribute in the coming months. The info RE: barrel length and twist is especially helpful. Bring on the additional data. Anyone running a relatively short barrel?
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260shooterXSergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
11/28/2014


I believe my 208 A-MAX load was the first one posted. But is a little off.
208 A-MAX
88.8 H-1000
Fed 215 Primer
OAL 3.490
3100 fps
ES 8
28" 1X9 Pac-Nor
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RedRangerRickXGunny Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/11/2015


Well I've scoured the section for 300RUM loads with 208s and had no luck. I wonder how close the NM loads would work?

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/18/2015 Last edited 07/30/2015 by jonthomps


230gr Berger

H1000 82gr (*max load in my rifle*)

28" 1-10 barrel

Fed 215M

COAL 3.500"

3012fps

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/26/2015


Reached out to Corey @ Berger Bullets. Here is the data he gave me for their 215gr pill:
215 Grain, PN: 30423 Bullet, CIP 3.680" COAL, 26" Barrel. 11/5/2014 RB
BulletPowderStart Load In GrainsApprox. Start VelocityMax. Load In GrainsApprox. Max. VelocityFill Ratio
215 GrainAccurate Magpro81.5279586.0294590%
215 GrainAlliant RE-3392.5283897.3300798%
215 GrainHodgdon H100083.5279387.7293298%
215 GrainNorma 21787.0282391.62971103%
215 GrainHodgdon Retumbo87.0282891.72974101%
215 GrainViht. N57088.0284792.8301898%

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/27/2015


Here is Berger's data for either of their 230gr pills:



.300 Norma Magnum
230 Grain, PN: 30428 Bullet, CIP 3.680" COAL, 26" Barrel. 1/6/2015 RB
BulletPowderStart Load In GrainsApprox. Start VelocityMax. Load In GrainsApprox. Max. VelocityFill Ratio
230 GrainAlliant RE 2578.0269582.3282193%
230 GrainHodgdon Retumbo84.5273589.12874100%
230 GrainHodgdon US 86994.0266999.22844105%
230 GrainHodgdon H50BMG90.0268294.72848105%
230 GrainAlliant RE 5093.5273698.62913103%
.300 Norma Magnum
230 Grain, PN: 30110 Bullet, 3.680" COAL, 26" Barrel. 4/7/2014 RB
BulletPowderStart Load In GrainsApprox. Start VelocityMax. Load In GrainsApprox. Max. VelocityFill Ratio
230 GrainRamshot Magnum80.5262684.5274987%
230 GrainH-100080.0265484.1278695%
230 GrainVIHT N57079.0253388.1285094%
230 GrainRE-3388.5270493.2286596%

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lapua50XPrivate
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
02/24/2015


Hi there guys



i loaded up 230 berg in my 300 NM with H1000 84.1 got av 2900 fps very tight group at 100m



though using NORMA brass using 215 Feds I noticed after 1 and 2 firings 2 of the relaoded brass the 215 where loose .



set my die FL sizing die to match as close as possible the gun chamber is it the brass pressures are good fr this load any ideas anyone ?

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MonstaPuggernautXPrivate
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
03/16/2015


Yahtzee. I'm glad I found this thread.

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
03/21/2015


Out shooting this AM. Great load that shot in the .3's, but it's pretty hot:

Norma brass

215gr Berger hybrid

90gr N570

FGMM 215 primer

3185fps average over 5 shots w/ slight ejector marks from a 28" Bartlein med palma.



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grunklXPrivate
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/05/2015


I've been looking for a cartridge to use in a long-range target (maybe hunting?) rig I aim to have built, and the 300NM has to be it; good compromise of power, and efficiency.

My hope is to run Nosler's new 210grain LR Accubond projectiles, slick little buggers, with an incredible G7 BC (.366) as an alternative to the Bergers.

Any suggestions for an action? I'm considering Defiance Machine, or the Mauserfield?

The load data you've listed corresponds damn closely with my calculations. Great resource blokes!!!

Grunkl

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/07/2015


grunkl wrote:
I've been looking for a cartridge to use in a long-range target (maybe hunting?) rig I aim to have built, and the 300NM has to be it; good compromise of power, and efficiency.​
My hope is to run Nosler's new 210grain LR Accubond projectiles, slick little buggers, with an incredible G7 BC (.366) as an alternative to the Bergers.​
Any suggestions for an action? I'm considering Defiance Machine, or the Mauserfield?​
The load data you've listed corresponds damn closely with my calculations. Great resource blokes!!!​
Grunkl​
Without running the thread off topic too much, I'd say go with Defiance Deviant action. Word to the wise: Nosler is a little overly enthusiastic about the Accubond LR bullet BC's. Do a Google search regarding the accuracy of their advertised BC's. Litz published some info on it.

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/08/2015


jonthomps wrote:
grunkl wrote:
I've been looking for a cartridge to use in a long-range target (maybe hunting?) rig I aim to have built, and the 300NM has to be it; good compromise of power, and efficiency.​
My hope is to run Nosler's new 210grain LR Accubond projectiles, slick little buggers, with an incredible G7 BC (.366) as an alternative to the Bergers.​
Any suggestions for an action? I'm considering Defiance Machine, or the Mauserfield?​
The load data you've listed corresponds damn closely with my calculations. Great resource blokes!!!​
Grunkl​

Without running the thread off topic too much, I'd say go with Defiance Deviant action. Word to the wise: Nosler is a little overly enthusiastic about the Accubond LR bullet BC's. Do a Google search regarding the accuracy of their advertised BC's. Litz published some info on it.​
Yesterday, I finished up developing the lo0ad for my BAT Machine actioned long range hunter 300 NM. Wicked accurate and easy to find a load.... Berger 230, Retumbo 86 gr., FGM magnum, 2973 fps out of a 24" suppressed Broughton.... hole in hole accurate at 100M. tomorrow I will stretch it out to a thousand. I am confident it will do well.​


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nnnn16XCorporal
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/26/2015


230 Berger OTM .719

85.4 of H1000

Norma Brass

Fed nonmatch primers

22" barrel

last 100 yd string was 2867, 2867, 2867, 2853, 2862 and they were all in 1 hole

This rifle has been amazing. Consistent 1000yd groups between 5 and 6 inches. I finally found a spot to shoot the mile (1762) and when we finally went the wind was wildly inconsistent but I had 1 of 13 on target. There was zero splash visible so I'm certain it'll be better next time. I'll take one at a mile considering this rifle represents my first try at long range, first try at reloading, first try at cutting a chamber and building a rifle, first try at a bolt gun actually.

I have had a problem with the brass. About one of every 3 cases won't rechamber in the rifle. They will but I have to really fight to get the bolt closed. Any tips or logic that someone could provide would be extremely helpful.



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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/27/2015


It seems like brass life is a common complaint of the 300NM. Speed costs. I'm pushing mine pretty hard and it looks like 3 reloads is all she's gonna give me. If Lapua came with brass (or if someone else like RWS made some tough brass) we'd all be in heaven.

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ugsly308XSergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
06/19/2015


nnnn16, have you tried bumping the shoulder back just a tad? I run mine thru a redding body die and havent had any problems with it. Dont force it, you'll end up galling your lugs. You want them to chamber like butter.

Casey
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rowen99XSergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
07/10/2015


83.0 grains of Retumbo
Fed 215M
230 Berger
10Twist
26"
2897 FPS
Verified at 1287 yards

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
07/23/2015


88.0gr N570 & 215FGMM
3.600" OAL
215 Berger hybrid
1-10" twist
28" barrel
3150fps avg

What a hammer! No pressure signs and extremely accurate. Shot several sub 1" groups at 356y.

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SOLD Glock 17/34 Longslide Custom IPSC 3 Gun Pistol TTI, ZA, Timney

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This is a custom Glock 17/34 Long slide 9mm pistol. Gen 3. The lower receiver is a Glock 34l. It has had the finger grooves removed and a TTI type stippling applied. There is a TTI competition mag well and a Timney Gold Alpha trigger set at 3 lbs. The slide is a Zaffiri Precision ZPS.3 for Glock 17l to take advantage of the longer barrel than the 34L. The barrel is a Zaffiri Precision Gold TiN ported:

Zaffiri Barrel Specifications
Compatible for Glock® 17L (LONG) Gen 1-4 ($180)
  • Length: Flush and Crown – flush with end of slide / inward “crown” shape
  • Twist: 1/10
  • Quality: 416R Stainless Steel
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SureFire SOCOM762 Ti2 Anyone got any thoughts?

Just ordered this Surefire Can. Got this for my Remington CSR. Anyone have any experience w/ them or know anything? not very much out there on the internet about them.


8 inches 11 ounces sounds nice. I wonder how it suppresses.