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Need opinions on RRS 22iC Compact - Now a what RRS tripod thread

To the folks that have or have had the RRS 22iC compact, is it one of the best do-all options available now? Primary uses are hunting and sniper matches, so weight and deployment speed are the 2 most important things. I understand it's shorter than the 22i, but should be just tall enough to shoot standing by the time you get a rifle on top of the anvil 30, and it wins in pretty much every other category. Thoughts?
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SHOT Show Day 2

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Day 2 at SHOT Show

OK, Day 1 is in the books and a lighter scheduled Day 2 is here. My opening meeting is with 2 great guys I go way back with, Mike Jensen, former President of Zeiss USA, and Tony Trani. They are the 2 "Go To" guys at GPO. Last year at SHOT they introduced the new Centuri Riflescopes Line, which certainly has become a fantastic addition to riflescope options in the industry. Priced way below what you'd expect and delivering higher quality than the price suggests. This year was just as great as last year, when it comes to "Yes, a great new product."... There's been an empty hole in a midsized spotter of quality and GPO has filled this void with their new
GPO Passion APO 16-48x65 Spotting Scope. Also available in a 20-60x85, but it's the 16-48x65 that got me excited. Street priced at $799.99 this will be THE go to midsized spotter for sure.
Premium Apochromatic (APO) Objective Lens Technology
GPObright™ High-transmission fully multi-coated lens coating technology
Ultra-smooth brass gear helical focus
Interchangeable eyepiece (85mm and 65mm)
Sliding Aluminum Sunshade
Rotating center body locking function
Rotating eyecup for maximum eye relief
Magnesium main body construction

I am still amazed at how awesome the GPO CENTURI 4-16x44i Super Compact - MIL-FFP is.
Super compact technology at 9.9" long
FFP I-Control Illuminated Mil-Base Reticle
.1mil radian click turrets
Zero Stop Lock Ballistic reset turrets
Turret rotation indicator
GPObright lens coating technology
PASSIONdrop hydrophobic lens coatings
DOUBLE HD objective lens technology
Magnification throw lever

Don't forget all GPO Centuri Riflescopes come with a certificate for a free custom Kenton turret.

I was looking forward to my next meeting with Drake over at Athlon. I only get to see him once a year, even though we speak all the time. Those who know me know to me it's a relationship industry and Drake is like a little brother from another mother. Athlon has been anything but sleeping this past year. They have revamped 4 riflescope lines with easier to grip shorter/wider turret knobs, improved coatings, built-in throw levers, included flip caps and sunshades. These changes are on the new Ares ETR GEN2, Ares BTR GEN3 & the Midas Tac GEN2. The Argos BTR GEN3's have all of this as well as the relocation of the illumination knob off of the eyepiece and on the end of the elevation turret.

They have also revamped and added to their line of Thermal Riflescopes and Clip-On's The new Athlon CRONUS ATS PRO 25P-250 for only $699.99 is a must check out Thermal. The Athlon 25P-250 thermal scope offers high-performance thermal imaging for versatile hunting and tactical applications. With a 256x192 resolution sensor delivering clear thermal images in challenging conditions. Compact and durable, it features multiple reticle options, digital zoom, and a user-friendly interface.

When the sun sets, dominate the night with the Cronus ATS Thermal Clip-On. Seize every available opportunity in the field with an extraordinary detection range and a lag-free clear display. On-board video recording and through the connected APP ensures you will capture every exhilarating moment of you hunt.

If you prefer a Thermal Riflescope to a Clip-On then check out their new Cronus ATS Pro Thermal Riflescopes
BALLISTICS CALCULATOR - Powered by Athlon's Ballistics App, providing accurate data for common calibers and cartridges, as well as custom loads.

All of these Thermals feature:
CUTTING-EDGE THERMAL SENSOR - Cronus ATS thermal optics feature incredibly low NETD ratings, allowing for extreme detail without the noise. Sensors with low NETD values can more precisely register small temperature differences.
LONG BATTERY LIFE - Athlon thermal scope provides more than 10 hours of use in most hunting situations with the standard battery set. A common USB-C connection also provides the ability to power the optic with an external battery pack if needed.
OLED DISPLAY - Impressive crystal-clear display provides exceptional detail with user adjustable functions.
AUTO-SHOT - Upon recoil detection, Athlon thermal scopes can automatically record the moments before and after you take the shot.
MAX DETECTION - Cronus ATS systems provided an extended detection range beyond your typical hunting distances.
ECO MODE - During long sits, conserve battery-life without impeding your hunt.
WIFI CONNECTION - Cronus ATS optics easily pair to the Athlon Thermal app to provide an alternative interface to control your thermal optic. Recording, video and photo management can also be accessed through this intuitive app!

Athlon is releasing their version of the Garmin, The new Rangecraft Velocity Radar Chronograph for only $349.99. 100FPS-5000FPS, 30% faster response time and it's Athlon Ballistic Calculator compatible.

My next meeting was with Hawke. Many of you know Hawke as the airgun scope company, however, you need to dive deeper into Hawke with some more research. Their line of Binoculars and Spotting Scopes are worth you taking the time to look into. Under $1,000.00 their Endurance ED Spotters have been our recommendation, plus they offer non standard powers.... 20-60x68mm & 25-75x85mm . Same physical size as others 15-45x65 and 20-60x80's but you're getting more power on the top end which is what a spotter is all about. They also offer 2 touch focus giving you the crispest image possible.

They have 2 scopes that I think will be huge for them, and you:

Hawke Vantage IR 1-4x20 Turkey Dot Mossy Oak Camo Reticle

Hawke XB30 FFP Crossbow Scope - Aim, Zoom, Shoot!
The XB30 Zoom FFP from Hawke Optics revolutionises what can be done with crossbow optics. Thanks to the First Focal Plane (FFP) optical system, users can now Zoom in and out through the entire magnification range of the scope and trust that the distance markers on the reticle are correct. Traditional crossbow scopes require the user to set the scope's magnification ring to match their crossbow speed - this limits the usability of the crossbow scope and means you are always fixed on one magnification power. With the XB30 Zoom FFP you unlock the full potential of the crossbow scope and can use the low zoom setting for close shots and the high zoom setting for long range!

Last year at SHOT we met with, and started carrying AGM Thermals. Each year we look for a worthy addition to our offerings and AGM certainly was a great addition. They offer quality products, have amazing customer service and their pricing is less than one would expect for the features being offered.
New for this year:
RattlerV2 320- filling a price gap in our assortment, adding a new sensor level to help assortments between the 256 and 384 price points.
RattlerV3 640- beginning of rattlerv3 line, adding lrf which is integrated in to the objective lens. Also using a 15mk shutterless sensor and a higher base magnification (3.5X)
AdderV2- there is one non lrf model, all others have it. 35mm models have the lrf on top due to size. The 50-640 and 60-1280 each feature an integrated lrf in the objective lens. The 1280 does not have a shutterless sensor but all other models will be shutterless.
Evolver 1280- 1280 in compact housing with on board lrf, starting out promo price 7k retail so will definitely be a strong option for the customers who love the profile and battery from the rattler V2 series but want to get into the HD sensors.
Observe Bino- these are the same as the 256 aside from better sensors, the 50-640 and 1280 utilize a battery pack system not the 18650’s for better battery performance.

Next up was with Element Optics. We added Element a few years back when they came onto the scene and each year we are happier and happier with that decision. We started when they were just standard Riflescopes. They've since added their Immersive Series Scopes, Binoculars & Rangefinders. Their riflescope are feature rich, made well and are priced below the competition. If you are not familiar with Element Optics you owe it to yourself to do a little research and check them out. Nothing new to report at this particular moment, however, stay tuned and we will fill you in when we have details.

Off to see my buddy Paul over at Kowa. They have a bunch of things in the works but you'll have to read my SHOT Show report next year to find out all about it.

Leica has a new guy in charge so I went to meet him and see what's what. He seems energetic and motivated. I'm a big Leica guy and hope he can get them back into the game as they have great binoculars but nobody has paid attention to them in quite some time. FWIW, you're missing out as their Ultravids & Noctivid Binoculars are awesome.

Made a 2nd meeting over at Tangent Theta to discuss bringing in Tenebrex Caps, Polarizers and Anti-Reflectives. As we are new to this please PM or e-mail me your thoughts on what we should start stocking.

Another night of back to the room to type this up with no gelato. Last night I wound up with a cookies and cream/dolce de leche combo waffle cone late night. It tasted great and felt amazing on my sore throat.

If there is anything you're looking for please give us a call at 516-217-1000. It is always our pleasure to speak with you. Always give a call to discuss options and what would be best for your needs

We appreciate all the orders and support. Please stay well and safe. Have a great day & please follow us on Instagram at gr8fuldoug_ :)

Thank you for your continued support.
If there is anything else that we can assist you with please let us know.

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SOLD Lapua SRP 6mm creedmoor brass

500 pieces of Lapua 6 creedmoor brass
200 of them are neck excpanded to .2415. 20 cases out of the 200 that are expanded are once fired and need to be deprimed. 3 boxes are still sealed. The 180 cases out of the 200 that are neck expanded are never fired.
500$

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SOLD Vortex Razor Gen 3, 6-36x MRAD with NLE mod

I have a razor Gen 3 6-36x I picked up in a trade.

It comes with original packaging, caps, throw lever etc. it also comes with the writable turret tape and some ranger wrap in Multicam Arid.

It was sent to vortex to have them service it and delete the locking mechanism on the elevation turret. It is stellar and functions the same just doesn’t lock. Which is nice so the turret markings are closer to the indicator.

$2300 shipped and insured
PayPal F&F, Venmo or Zelle

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Watch your mailboxes, people.

Some asshole stole the Kidd trigger I bought here out of my mailbox this past Saturday. I didn’t get tracking info until the Monday after, presumably because Verizon also sucks donkey balls, but when I checked it, it showed the trigger was delivered Saturday at 2:10. I got home from the store less than 20min after and checked the mail. It was empty. So somebody saw the mail guy put a box in there, then waited for him to drive down the road and stole my package.

I don’t swear much, and certainly not like this, but... Fuck thieves, and the horse they rode in on! There’s $300 down the tube because some shit for brains decided stealing my mail was the OK thing to do. :mad::mad::mad:

Now that I’ve confirmed it’s been stolen, what should I do? We’re going to get a PO Box for large/expensive packages now, but should I file a report with the post office? If it was stolen off my porch, that’s one thing, but my understanding is that taking it from the mailbox is a federal crime/felony. Do I open a case somewhere to start a file in case it happens with something else again?
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Night Vision Cadex flip up NVG mount $450 NIB

I've got 3 nib cadex flip up mounts. I personally prefer these over other mounts because of 2 features. You can just flip your nvg up without pushing a button. The other feature is you can adjust the dovetail to fit your nvg better as you can see in the picture.

2 tan
1 black

$450 each

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AAR: K&M Precision's 4 Day Comprehensive Precision Rifle course, Oct 9-12, 2021 (Long)

TL: DR: Great course. Amazing facility with even better instructors. You should go.

Location: K&M Precision in Finger, TN.
Date: October 9-12, 2021
Rifle used: Remington 700 5-R in 6.5CM w/ 20 moa base, factory fluted barrel set back to 22", new chamber cut and trued, Trigger Tech Special flat face trigger set at factory weight, Magpul bipod, and Magpul AICS mags.
Optic: Zero Compromise 5-27x56mm w/ MPCT2 reticle in a Spuhr 6602 6 mil mount.
Suppressor: YHM QD Phantom
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Ammo used: 332 rounds of Prime 130 OTM Match+ chrono'd TD1 with K&M Magnetospeed at 2766 average over a 4 round group and 107 rounds of Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M. chrono'd at 2672 on TD4.

Prime 130 gr. Magnetospeed data:
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Hornady 140 gr ELD-M data:
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My background as a shooter: I shot 1000 F-class TR for several years before we had our daughter. She's almost nine now so it's been a decade plus since I did more than shot at 500-600 yards. Before this course I took a single day, eight hour course that focused on the fundamentals at 100 yards and got a good zero, regularly shooting 3/4 or less moa groups with Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M white box. While I generally prefer no less than five round groups, ammo is hard to get and very expensive when you can, so I had to reduce group sizes in the name of economics.

Typical groups from the one day course I took as prep for this one:
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I arrived at the facility at roughly 1830 CDT the Friday before the course in order to check in and grab a bunk in the bunk house that's included in your course fee. To say this facility is nice would do it a great disservice. It's the single nicest shooting facility I've ever been to and this was stated by people who have been to some of the big facilities like Raton out west. I would liken it to Disney World for long range shooting. K&M had just hosted the largest single long range competition the weekend prior in a hell of a rain storm which had evidently wreaked havoc across the ranges. When I arrived, it was obvious K&M had just had almost all gravel replaced and it was immaculate. Near the bunk house is the classroom/club house/pro shop. Cell phone signal was almost non-existant except for one range at the top of a nearby hill, but satellite internet was supplied and a decent wi-fi signal made texting and interneting possible. When I arrived, there were already several people in the bunk house and more arrived over the remaining evening. Everyone introduced themselves, shared beers, stories, showed off gear, and prepped for the following morning.

One of the bunk compartments in the bunk house. The bunk house can sleep 25 or so people, has a full kitchen, two full bathrooms, and a small sitting area with TV.
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TD1 started in the classroom at 0800. The class totaled 18 or so shooters from all walks of life. We had a group of ten or so shooters from New York and New Jersey that contained current and retired NYPD cops, prospective FDNY recruits, and a couple of Navy pilots. We also had a electrician from Illinois, a father/son pair who work in finance from Chicago, a lineman from Florida, political staffer from DC, entrepreneur from Puerto Rico, and myself, a railroader from Tennessee. Experience ran the gamut of brand new shooters who had just purchased their rifles to guys who had attended the same course the previous year.

We had an introductory period with Shannon Kay (owner and lead instructor of K&M), Mike Rogan, and Jerrod White, followed by a safety brief, and a couple of classroom segments going over common terminology, the fundamentals of marksmanship, interior and exterior ballistics, moa vs. mil, how they ran things, etc. We then went to the 1200 yard range to get our initial zeroes and speeds. Once completed, we broke into groups of four or five and started getting DOPE from 400 out to 1200 yards. We broke for lunch, had another class or two, and then had a few more sessions on the range working on our fundamentals and position. Dinner was provided by K&M that night and not only was it very tasty, there was plenty of it.

The 1200 yard range. 100 yard zero berm on the left, various berms starting at 400 on out on the left and right:
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My data at 1200 with the Prime 130s:
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TD2 started at 0700 in order to get in as much training as possible before the end of the basic two course for the vast majority of the class to leave. We started with another class, this time on shooting movers and using our reticles for range estimation. We then again went to the 1200 yard range, confirmed zero and made any corrections, then started at 600 and worked our way to 1200 yards, with almost all shooters making hits (I don't want to say all but I can't remember anyone saying they didn't get a hit). We then worked on positional shooting from positions off the ground, including kneeling, modified prone, and standing from items ranging from car hoods, and helicopters to windows and concrete culverts. We moved ranges and practiced mil-ing targets and then engaging them. We shot movers at 300 and 500 yards which was insanely fun, made easy by the classroom portion and the instructors doing the spotting. We shot plate racks at various distances of various shapes and sizes and had shoot offs for those that cleaned the racks. Once we had completed the training evolution for that day, the guys only staying for the two-day basic course were thanked, certificates handed out, and an AAR held by Shannon and his crew. The rest of us were free, so we roamed around the facility, sharing stories, and seeing the various ranges that we weren't able to use. Have I mentioned how amazing the facility is?

Mover range:
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UKD range. I believe the rear berm is at ~750:
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TD3 started with the five of us remaining shooters meeting up with the three instructors at the clubhouse/classroom and heading to the 1200 range to again confirm zero and stretch from 600 to 1200. We rotated through various locations on the facility shooting all sorts of distances and target arrays. We were blessed with a storm front moving through the area and had a constant 15-25 mph wind throughout much of the day. The staff made a big deal of how rarely this occurred at K&M and took advantage of it by getting their rifles out and shooting next to us. It was both humbling shooting in these conditions but also extremely beneficial to have some of the best PRS/long-range shooters in the country (world?) lying next to you or spotting behind you asking you what your wind call is and why and then explaining what they see. This day alone made the cost worth it as the wind is something that has always flummoxed me. I'm saying I'm good at it, but I do feel like I have a better understanding of it, how to read the mirage, and what to look for. Also, watching Shannon sent 6 or 8 rounds in a 30 second iteration at a 4" plate at 660 yards, never miss, and then realize that one of his rounds had sent the plate back through it's chains and was hanging at an angle for the majority of those rounds (so a smaller target presentation) was fun and humbling to behold. Due to the low number of students, we finished up slightly early and were released to the bunkhouse at 1530.

I called this the head shot range. We shot head shot targets in the facades and the school bus as well as the plate rack in the back. This is where Shannon did his performance for us. Wind at the 660 plate rack was metered at 13 mph when we were down inspecting the targets:
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TD4 again started with meeting up with the instructors at the clubhouse, Shannon giving us several courses of fire and stating we were having a final "competition" for the honor of class Top Shot for a K&M challenge coin. Again, we confirmed zero and chrono'd our loads, then stepped it out to 1200. We then shot several stages, from plate racks at 450 and 600, to head shot targets over cars at three different distances from 400 to 500, several others I can't recall, ending with two stages on the mover range. Pentultimate stage was prone at 500, 10 rounds in 90 seconds followed by a stage that brought everything we had learned together in one event. We started in the door of a connex with our rifle loaded (bolt back, mag in) and bag in hand, then had to engage the 300 mover twice from five different windows in 90 seconds. Once that was complete, we had our own certificate hand out, Top Shot honored, a quick AAR session, made sure the bunk house was clean, said good bye to my fellow shooters, and I departed the facility.

Comments:
This was absolutely the best course I've ever taken in my life. I've spent thousands dollars on various hand gun, carbine, and long range classes in the past. My home range is owned by a world record holding long range shooter who gives great classes and has a nice range that I enjoy shooting at. K&M is on another level. If it's not world class, I can't imagine what such a facility would look like. I learned a ton about myself, improved my understanding of the discipline, found my failure points, know what to work on and what to keep doing. It is a great feeling having a top-level shooter tell you, "good shooting" when you clean a target array or center punch a plate at great distance in high wind.

Improves:
I normally do not shoot my rifle with a can and, as shown above, the rifle is able to hold very good groups. With the number of brakes on the line, though, I decided on TD1 to shoot with one. I also normally shoot Hornady Match 140 gr. ELD-M, but couldn't find enough for the class' required round count, so I used the Prime 130's I had been accruing. Between these two changes, I'm not sure I shot as well as I could've. It was frustrating for myself and Shannon, and after watching me to make sure I wasn't doing something with my fundamentals to cause the problems, on TD3 he shot my rifle. However, he wasn't able to get the rifle to group very well with the Prime 130s either and stated it could just be a situation where that combination wasn't able to group any tighter than I was already doing. I also had to consistently add .2 or so mil to whatever DOPE the Kestral was giving me. We had to SWAG the G7 BC on the 130s and that probably caused some of the inconsistencies with it. I need to get it out on the range and refine the data to get it to align with my actual holds.

I believe the ammo change was a fatal flaw for my TD4 performance as well, which was by far my worst of the course. The Hornady grouped better than the Prime had been on TD1-3, but I believe I messed up my zero. I was in a hurry to get it done as everyone else was just reconfirming and I had more than a little self-induced stress that compounded as the day progressed. I was now I missing shots at 600 yards that I hadn't missed even before the class, much less during. TD4 was by far the most frustrating and discouraging of the course. I missed easy shots in low wind at fairly short distances (600-800) yards, head shots at the 400-500 car stage, etc. However, I was able to perform well on the two mover stages at the end of the day so it wasn't an entire loss and it ended on a positive note. Even through it all, the instructors and the other shooters were encouraging and helpful. I definitely have stuff to focus on and Shannon was sure to give me advice and drills to perform once I'm able to get back to the range. He also stated he wanted to know how the rifle performed once I took the can off.

Sustains:
My rifle was 100% reliable, if not as accurate as I'd have liked at times (and honestly all of that was me, in the end), and I didn't have any equipment issues in that regard. I liked the Magpul Pro 700 chassis and will continue to use it. The ZCO 527 is absolutely the nicest, clearest, and most accurate piece of glass I've ever owned. It tracked true and was crystal clear at all ranges. I picked up the Kestrel 5700 w/ Link in the Proshop and that was a very worthwhile purchase as Shannon and crew took the time to show us all that had them how to use them. I also picked up an Armageddon Gear Gamechanger bag to replace the small Weibad bag, Tad bag, and random rectangular bag I took with me. The Gamechanger is amazing and I used it for both my rear bag at all distances when prone and as my barricade bag for the various positions we shot in. The Crosstac shooting mat was a pleasure as well. While not as convenient as a roll up mat that I could strap to my surplus assault pack, the fact that it folded up and had handles made it easy to transport. It also made it something comfortable to sit on on the trailer or while waiting.

I learned some tricks from my fellow classmates, such as using painters tape on your arm to write down your come ups on stages in which you couldn't dial DOPE and had to use your hold overs instead. The instructors were great about critiquing your positions, especially off unstable items like tires or barrels. Advice such as flipping the bag, shifting a foot, applying less pressure to the stock, or holding the scope down in a different way were very helpful.

Conclusion:
This is an amazing course for all level of shooters. The facility, camaraderie you form with fellow shooters, and the caliber of instruction make it an absolute re-take level course for me and I look forward to attending it again. Hell, I might even try out PRS in the future.

Thanks for reading.

Newbie from WV

I’ve been reading posts here for a long time and finally decided to join. I will likely become a supporter so I can use the PX. Buying and selling is how I try out new stuff. I’ve been a Rokslide member for a long time with the screen name “83cj-7”. I have been diagnosed with full blown rifle ADD 😁. I’m an avid hunter and spend a lot of time reloading and shooting. Hopefully I can add something to the forum as well as take away some knowledge as well.

Participants in Social Organizations, I'd like to hear from you.

Howdy Hide,

As per the title- I'd like to ask the members here on their experiences with Social Organizations that they may be a part of. I recognize that in many ways it'll be uniquely dependent on the local organization but figured I'd ask regardless.

Presently I belong to both the American Legion and VFW and have been a member for a decade plus respectively. Great people, great intentions but it seems like (at least for the folks that I join) aside from the occasional fundraiser they hold throughout the year (gift baskets, chicken bbq's, things like of that nature) it's more of a social club that gives one entry to their bars.

Locally, I've seen the Lion's, Rotary, and Kiwanas clubs but their charitable focus isn't one in which I'm particularly passionate about. Since the move, I do have an Elks club local (don't have a sponsor though), but along those lines, I reckon there's the Moose's, Eagles, and other such organizations.

The one that's been catching my attention lately is the Mason's (particularly the shriners, tall oaks, etc) but that's an organization that wouldn't have me as a member either. But they seem to do great work and I'm happy to support their charity efforts. Church groups/religiously oriented organizations, would also be out of scope for me.

That all been said- is there any social/fraternal organizations along the lines I mentioned that Hide members here feel passionate about? Mainly I'd just be looking for an apolitical/nonreligious group that just wants to get together and build friendship and do the occasional (albeit frequent) "good deed" for the local community. Essentially a group of friends that get together regularly and try to make their small world a better place.

-LD

Short barrel 6.5 prc

Considering building one as hunting rifle . We mostly sit in blinds, by the time you hang a suppressor on the end of it, rifles get long and awkward to maneuver inside .

Was thinking 16-18 in barrel .

Don’t fool with reloading, don’t have any time for it . So everything would just be factory ammo .

With the short setup, am I just eating time/money ? Will it offer anything better than a good ole 308 setup similar?

Original plan was 300wm w 18 inch barrel, but based on reading so far sounds like that’d just be a really cool fireball making machine .

End goal is basically a short barrel elk rifle for lake of better description

Armalite Tech Notes

Receiving that Armalite barrel last week reminded of when Armalite had a good website they had a ton of technical notes that covered a variety of topics related to rifle maintenance and marksmanship. I had saved a bunch of them that I found relevant and I thought I'd share them. Some of the information is dated but still useful.


Cheers

PS, I added some sheets from one of the M4 tech manuals that shows field expedient tools for the M4. I've made several of them and use them so they definitely work, could be a fun project for some people.

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