Rifle Scopes Area 419 got rings!!
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Was hoping for a one piece mount, maybe there is more to come
I asked the same, they said its in the works.
While I don't have a lot of their stuff, A419 seems to have some pretty good chops with aluminum.
Like many, I sort of consider the Seekins/Vortex PMR rings the go-to for rings... but for an extra $50 A419 has probably got it right adding the fuctionality of letting us morons attach some gadgets to the sides of them if we want.
Like many, I sort of consider the Seekins/Vortex PMR rings the go-to for rings... but for an extra $50 A419 has probably got it right adding the fuctionality of letting us morons attach some gadgets to the sides of them if we want.
I'm sure that, like anything from A419, that these will be a very high qual product in both design and manufacture.
But I am hard pressed to find any reason to go back to that ring design after running ARC M-10 rings and not having to mumble and curse as the scope cants a bit every fucking time I tighten them down. And yes, there are ways to address that but with the ARC rings, it never happens in the first place.
But I am hard pressed to find any reason to go back to that ring design after running ARC M-10 rings and not having to mumble and curse as the scope cants a bit every fucking time I tighten them down. And yes, there are ways to address that but with the ARC rings, it never happens in the first place.
ARC M-brace is my next ring mount purchase.
I 2nd, or 3rd this...idk? ARC rings are hard to beat. I hate multi screw rings/mounts that you have to tighten in certain orders. ARC is just so simple, align the scope, tighten one screw, and done.
Edit: Not saying screws need to be tightened in certain orders, it just ends up like that. Tighten one too much on one side, the other not enough on the opposite side and end up with gaps. But I agree, I'm sure the area 419 rings will be nice like all their stuff.
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I'm almost sorry I brought up my preference for ARC rings as I do very much like everything I have purchased from Area 419 and didn't intend to derail this thread about their new scope ring product. As I said, I'm sure their rings will be of outstanding quality in both design and manufacture as are all of their products
Area 419 is a first class outfit, IMO.
Cheers
Area 419 is a first class outfit, IMO.
Cheers
Can someone educate me on the final boring/honing that’s done after anodizing? I don’t know enough to bash it or love it, but I am curious since I don’t recall anyone else doing it.
They're essentially lapping the rings in-house and then marking them so that you can put them together matched to the lapping.
There's 'issues' with doing this in-house vs. on your rifle on the pic rail mounted to your rifle. Not all pic rails are straight and attaching anything to your pic rail can twist and warp it. And is the argument for one piece mounts.
They don't. But apparently A419 decided to take the extra step. If I needed some rings, these would be on my short list even w/o seeing any in the wild or known testers. My biggest concern with these rings is the possibility of the raw aluminum marring the finish on the scope tube. But that's just speculation on my side w/o any real proof or evidence or real knowledge that it may happen. Just a thought.
Watch the Youtube video. They don't lap them. They put them on a mount and they Mill the inside of both rings at the same time so they're both the same inside and straight.
Milling, lapping, etc. A one-piece Mount is already lined up so unless you have a two-piece ring I don't see the benefit.
All that for naught when your rail is out of spec, which isn’t a knock against these rings in particular as much as rings as a whole.
And that’s why people lap their rings. It’s not the rings it’s the rail. Anyone who laps modern rings from reputable companies is just voiding a warranty for no reason.
I love my nf ultralight and my arc rings. Not sure why they felt the need to make a product for a saturated market that doesn't appear to fix anything that wasn't already fixed.
Eh If the one piece mount is priced appropriately and lighter it’s another alternative to spuhr which isn’t a bad thing. Also seems pretty low profile. As much as i love my arc rings the M brace profile looks huge. So basically you’d have the Hawkins one piece, sprm, spuhr, m-brace, and the 419.
Hey all, let me see if I can hit all the questions:
ONE PIECE - those are coming. We will work through rings first, then go to one-piece (which will not only be monolithic but will have some additional features) and then maybe some other things in the optic universe you'll all like. MAJOR downside to a one-piece? Can't go as low, which we will end up doing with the rings as we go. REALLY hard to get a 1-piece 34mm mount under about 1.2". Lowest SPUHR is 30mm and lowest ARC is 32mm. Rings can get much lower for applications where that's relevant.
BORING/LAPPING - benefit here is two-fold. The alignment benefit is MUCH more relevant today than you'd have seen 5 years ago, largely related to receivers with integral scope rails. These are substantially more rigid and straight than you'd find when cranking a rail onto a Remington with misaligned mounting screws. Boring also generates a much more round hole than when you interpolate with an endmill. Second, the raw aluminum is a more grippy surface than the anodized inside, and if we want an anodized outside, which we do, this is the way to have our cake and eat it too on surfaces.
TOO MANY SCREWS - there are things about the way the ARC rings work, and we consider Ted a close friend, but there are also things that we've struggled with on them over time. That's ok, lots of space in the market for different products.
SIDE-MOUNT ACCESSORIES - this was a no-brainer for us, making provisions to mount things. With the way size/shape of optics are trending, the use of the rail under the scope for mounting things is really going away. This made sense, and like I say in the video we will make that mounting spec available to anyone that wants it and shows any sign of having any manufacturing ability.
VARIATIONS: 35mm, 36mm, 1" tube all coming soon, along with more heights. Nobody asked, but in every other place we have gotten a mountain of questions on this from those that won't read product descriptions or watch videos, so this is mostly in here for good measure, and to not actually be read.
Ok, so what did I miss?
ONE PIECE - those are coming. We will work through rings first, then go to one-piece (which will not only be monolithic but will have some additional features) and then maybe some other things in the optic universe you'll all like. MAJOR downside to a one-piece? Can't go as low, which we will end up doing with the rings as we go. REALLY hard to get a 1-piece 34mm mount under about 1.2". Lowest SPUHR is 30mm and lowest ARC is 32mm. Rings can get much lower for applications where that's relevant.
BORING/LAPPING - benefit here is two-fold. The alignment benefit is MUCH more relevant today than you'd have seen 5 years ago, largely related to receivers with integral scope rails. These are substantially more rigid and straight than you'd find when cranking a rail onto a Remington with misaligned mounting screws. Boring also generates a much more round hole than when you interpolate with an endmill. Second, the raw aluminum is a more grippy surface than the anodized inside, and if we want an anodized outside, which we do, this is the way to have our cake and eat it too on surfaces.
TOO MANY SCREWS - there are things about the way the ARC rings work, and we consider Ted a close friend, but there are also things that we've struggled with on them over time. That's ok, lots of space in the market for different products.
SIDE-MOUNT ACCESSORIES - this was a no-brainer for us, making provisions to mount things. With the way size/shape of optics are trending, the use of the rail under the scope for mounting things is really going away. This made sense, and like I say in the video we will make that mounting spec available to anyone that wants it and shows any sign of having any manufacturing ability.
VARIATIONS: 35mm, 36mm, 1" tube all coming soon, along with more heights. Nobody asked, but in every other place we have gotten a mountain of questions on this from those that won't read product descriptions or watch videos, so this is mostly in here for good measure, and to not actually be read.
Ok, so what did I miss?
It's ok, happens all the time. Probably 80% of the social media questions could be answered reading the descriptions or watching the video. Job security for the CS team!
Nice product!
I like the finish you put on the top of the ring cap. It looks cool.
I don’t think there are many scope rings on the market serialized like this are there?
We don't know of anyone matching their part like this. There are marked parts out there but I believe they are more about batch/QC/ISO than sets or mating.
I'm concerned the raw aluminum will mar the finish on a scope tube. Is this or should this be a concern?
No, we aren't.
When you take your optic out of the rings it's likely you'll have a mark, but that's just a small layer of aluminum that has transferred from the ring to the optic. A rag with some acetone or alcohol will take that off really easily. Not permanent or any sort of damage to the optic.
As far as some oxidization concerns, we don't share them. The like materials, the anodize on the tube, and the way the ring is sealed against the optic make this a non-issue in our opinion.
The upsides of being able to get a more perfectly round bore and a more grippy surface far outweigh any of these concerns.
I would have expected them to have more modularity like a spuhr. Like dope card mounts and provisions to mount pic rail on both sides and top. Or at the very minimum the top.
I think you missed the point in my long response earlier that there are more options/features coming in this line, as well as there IS a dope/level/accessory side mount on these, and items are already being made.
Like every other product line we have ever rolled out, this is not a one-and-done, rather where we chose to start.
Does anyone have these rings yet and what are your thoughts?
Also do they have any sort of rise or are they completely straight?
Also do they have any sort of rise or are they completely straight?
I ended up buying a set but haven’t got them mounted or leveled, just played with them while I decide if I want to keep them or not. The bore honing or whatever left a few spots above the water line (the chamfer) unevenly anodized that catches on the fingernail, pretty sure this is just cosmetic but curious if it might make ring marks more obvious. Lots of machining/tool marks on the exterior ring surfaces - for some people that’s a problem for others not so much just wanted to mention it.
What do you mean rise?
No, they have no incline to my knowledge. Separate rings with inclination are limited to that Burris product so far as I’m aware.
Ok i didn’t figure they did but I wasn’t aware it was uncommon as I don’t often buy rings. And when I do they are usually one piece.
Same. All of my actions have 20 MOA inclined rails though and I don’t shoot artillery so I figured this one time I’d be fine.
I have a set that I preordered. They arrived last week. They are a work of art. Waiting patiently for 35mm.
30, 34, 35mm are all selectable in the drop down now. 35mm expected to ship late Q1.
Maybe this? I don't know.
I noticed this. It looks like a nano-dick width (technical measurement) of where the anodizing / boring / chamfer come together?
You can barely feel it with your fingernail. These things are so beautiful otherwise, I'm hard pressed to think this is an issue.
I'll buy you a steak dinner if you can see it once an optic is mounted, and or if it effects functionality.
