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The problem with revoking FFLs is that it is self-destructive. The more licenses that they revoke means the less surveillance and regulation that they will do.
That's the reason for their existence. Regulating and conducting oversight of an FFL is a lot easier than finding and chasing down individual violators of the NFA.
Government employees should be very concerned about getting rid of a major reason for their job security. So any glowies on this thread should think about that before shutting down anymore FFLs.
That's the reason for their existence. Regulating and conducting oversight of an FFL is a lot easier than finding and chasing down individual violators of the NFA.
Government employees should be very concerned about getting rid of a major reason for their job security. So any glowies on this thread should think about that before shutting down anymore FFLs.
Been hearing rumors that they were revoking over petty shit. Problem is that i've known some local shops to have violations that weren't petty, and they were able to keep their license. I haven't personally met anyone that had theirs revoked for petty stuff.
I sometimes worry about mine, but I don't sell firearms. My FFL is personal, with a DBA. I've bought some guns, had 'em sent here, and I can just log them out to myself, no need for a 4473. When I get my first inspection, as long as everything is logged in correctly, and logged out correctly, I should be fine. Since I don't do any 4473's at all, those aren't going to be a sticking point in any way....but I still wonder what they would come up with.
Branden
I sometimes worry about mine, but I don't sell firearms. My FFL is personal, with a DBA. I've bought some guns, had 'em sent here, and I can just log them out to myself, no need for a 4473. When I get my first inspection, as long as everything is logged in correctly, and logged out correctly, I should be fine. Since I don't do any 4473's at all, those aren't going to be a sticking point in any way....but I still wonder what they would come up with.
Branden
Depends on what class ffl. If you have a colectors ffl type 3 then that is ok. If you have any other, the atf requires you to at least make an effort to create profit. That's why it's always good to transfer for friends and family. I was warned by my local field office.
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Not true. They used to approve personal FFLs, not attached to any type of business. My BIL has one, they are no longer issuing those but continue to let them get renewed IF you already had one. If you ever let it lapse, they will not let you get it again.
I too have heard the tales they are getting more petty but... too much anecdote. I like stats. And with COVID stuff, as well as random removals of funding etc it's hard to compare anything ATF does as year-over-year changes.
Is there a list (graph better yet!) of revocations and/or total FFLs in good standing, so we can eliminate temporary outliers, see if they are just returning to normal pre-COVID rates, or this is really a new trend?
Is there a list (graph better yet!) of revocations and/or total FFLs in good standing, so we can eliminate temporary outliers, see if they are just returning to normal pre-COVID rates, or this is really a new trend?
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Personal FFLs aren’t required to keep anything except a bound A&D book. As long as the firearm is brought into that bound book, and taken off(legally) it is done. The personal FFL isn’t tied to any type of business or LLC, etc.
Silly you! It is clearly destroyed. It doesn’t go to the ATF or anything like that, right? Right? I mean they told you so. Come on man!
yes we know where it all goes.
I'm a type 1. I'm essentially considered a gunsmith, and I do plenty of gunsmithin'.
Branden
No, this is old news and I'm not sure why everyone is acting surprised. The pedo pete administration said in the beginning they were going to shut down as many FFLs as they could. Here is an article that is over a year old:
ATF Revoked 500% More Federal Firearms Licenses in 11 Months Since Biden Declared War on Guns - The Truth About Guns
By Lee Williams In the years before the Biden-Harris administration took over the White House, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives usually revoked an average of 40 Federal Firearm Licenses (FFLs) per year. But, in the 11 months since Joe Biden declared war on “rogue gun...
www.thetruthaboutguns.com
Here ya go, June 2021 - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...espond-to-gun-crime-and-ensure-public-safety/
Old news fellas, the FFLs had plenty of warning this was coming.
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Did people need a license to sell guns in 1791?
Well then....
Well then....
They are required to keep records for a certain number of years (7iirc?). After that they can be destroyed.
I know one of my local gun stores had a big bonfire every year burning all the records beyond the legal date. Sadly they went out of business and what they were legally required to keep all went to an ATF warehouse for "safekeeping" aka digitizing and adding to the unofficial registry.
It wouldn't surprise me if the new electronic 4473 is all going to a registry though.
As directed by the White House. Dealer in New Hampshire told me they were in his store for a week straight. He finally asked them what was the real reason why they were there and one agent replied, "honestly we have been directed to shut down as many FFL's as possible".
Wait...so you think if ATF rounds up all the guns, alcohol, tobacco and explosives, they won't have a job?
You don't know how government works yet, do you?
Jump to 6:05 for the interesting bit on an alogrithm (Known as "Spartan") deciding an FFLs fate...
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Found this in a dumpster. Apparently the owner doesn't want or need it anymore.
Biden has been losing on court cases with Frames and receivers, bump stocks, and pistol braces. But he can go after FFLs with a vengeance and there's not much we can do about it.
His pick for the ATF was a POS that shot a woman holding a child and helped burn and shoot children in Waco. Then stood over their smoldering bodies for a hero picture
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