Ingenuity Powder System

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That was in reference to my post and video about my A&D.. I didnt discuss Sartarius particulars with Paul because I dont have one. So maybe it is also 0.02gr, you'll have to check with him

The MAIN reason people buy the Sartarius is because of its much faster response time vs a A&D Fx...

0.02 doesn't show up downrange, you'll be alright
 
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TheOE800 said:
So a Sartorius scale is a waste of time and money because the electronics only have +/-0.02g resolution? Wish I’d have known that before buying a Sartorius…
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It's a tad bit faster than the A&D and supposedly less inclined to drift (although I have seen no drift on my A&D) but for me, it's not worth the additional cost.
 
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padom said:
And a single kernel of the popular powders we are using weighs 0.02gr.... so I dont know why I would need to weigh less than that...
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If you really want to dig down on the spec sheets the sartorius has lower hysteresis as well, but who knows if you can actually shoot that difference between the sartorius and the A&D.

I'm not convinced you could actually measure and prove the difference on the target or chronograph between the sartorius and a&d with any confidence given all the other reloading process variables in play, but the sartorius does provide peace of mind that your charge weight is being very tightly controlled and that's worth the extra cost for some people. If the sartorius responds faster and can shave off the time per charge, that might be a more compelling reason to spend the extra money.

Current A&D user myself, but I'd spend the extra bucks on the sartorius if I thought it would provide any appreciable gains in the overall process.
 
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The Ingenuity Precision Powder System page was just updated:

This is a no obligation preorder. You will get an order number and when they are ready to ship your payment notification will go out in the order they were received. The current estimate for the first preorders that started 12-19-23 through about the end of 02-2024 should start going out in May. If you preordered after the end of February 2024 then you will be in the second batch of production scheduled for about July. The second batch will go much much faster now that all the kinks have been ironed out in the first production run.
Thank everyone who has placed a preorder and been so patient for this to come out. We are getting close now.
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current estimate for the first preorders that started 12-19-23 through about the end of 02-2024 should start going out in May.
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Baron23 said:
Any bets on when the end of the first quarter production shipping turns into end of second quarter? :unsure:😉:LOL:
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:rolleyes: 😒😞😣............🤣
 
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OMG! The amount of misinformation that accumulates in here in such a short amount of time is beyond me.
First, as if my videos was not clear enough. The black plastic new top mount for the powder meter v3/or manual dump is just replacing the side stand that has always come with the powder meter. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMPLETE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The complete system that everyone one has preordered is exactly the same as it has been from day one as far as the thrower and hopper on top. All Aluminum!

The accuracy of the electronic controller is not +/-.02gr ! The accuracy of the A&D scale is +/-.02!
If you want 40.00gr of a said charge and are not willing to accept 39.98gr then you set the end tolerance in the controller to 0.
Now the controller will only accept 40.00 and not stop trickling at 39.98, but you have to keep in mind the kernel size you are using as to whether or not this means it could be 40.00-40.08 depending on how much one kernel of your powder weighs.
As a rule of thumb, If powder is varget size or smaller you can achieve the 40.00 +/-0 pretty easily even on the A&D scale
 
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The app is still a beta version and not the final version, because you can only get apps through the App Store on an iPhone, you need to be invited by the maker of the app to use the beta version. Once the app is no longer in beta and released it would be available on the App Store. Once invited, it’s an easy install, you will need another app called test flight for beta apps. It really Apple’s fault in this case as the process is part of their complete control of the App Store for “security” reasons. Android phones can install apps outside of the google play store so you can get it from the ingenuity precision website.
 
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secondofangle2 said:
A little bit of communication goes a long way.

Now enter the lick-spittles...
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As usual, you’re full of 💩

I assembled my V3 upgrade yesterday afternoon, couldn’t find the iOS app in the App Store. Emailed Paul and got a response back in 5 minutes with the link to the app.
Can’t ask for a better communication than that….on a Sunday afternoon!!
 
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Ingenuity1 said:
OMG! The amount of misinformation that accumulates in here in such a short amount of time is beyond me.
First, as if my videos was not clear enough. The black plastic new top mount for the powder meter v3/or manual dump is just replacing the side stand that has always come with the powder meter. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMPLETE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The complete system that everyone one has preordered is exactly the same as it has been from day one as far as the thrower and hopper on top. All Aluminum!

The accuracy of the electronic controller is not +/-.02gr ! The accuracy of the A&D scale is +/-.02!
If you want 40.00gr of a said charge and are not willing to accept 39.98gr then you set the end tolerance in the controller to 0.
Now the controller will only accept 40.00 and not stop trickling at 39.98, but you have to keep in mind the kernel size you are using as to whether or not this means it could be 40.00-40.08 depending on how much one kernel of your powder weighs.
As a rule of thumb, If powder is varget size or smaller you can achieve the 40.00 +/-0 pretty easily even on the A&D scale
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Thanks Paul!
 
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New IP parts delivery today. Man its so nice to get these stands off my granite blocks and the trickler up into the new carbin fiber mount!!!

Got 1 setup with FX300iN, V3 Dumper, IP Trickler, IP Electronics, IP Cup, IP Draft Shielf...


I got a second setup with Fx120i, A&,D draft shielf with Area419 top, V3 Autothrow, AT Bluetooth Electronics, IP Trickler, IP Cup. and also V3 AutoTrickler.

This second setup is so I can load rifle or use the V3 autotrickler to do pistol loading with real fine pistol powder thst doesn't run in thr IP trickler. I just switch the cable between whichever trickler I want to run..

Very happy with these setups. Can't wait to get the new IP Dumper.





 
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padom said:
New IP parts delivery today. Man its so nice to get these stands off my granite blocks and the trickler up into the new carbin fiber mount!!!

Got 1 setup with FX300iN, V3 Dumper, IP Trickler, IP Electronics, IP Cup, IP Draft Shielf...


I got a second setup with Fx120i, A&,D draft shielf with Area419 top, V3 Autothrow, AT Bluetooth Electronics, IP Trickler, IP Cup. and also V3 AutoTrickler.

This second setup is so I can load rifle or use the V3 autotrickler to do pistol loading with real fine pistol powder thst doesn't run in thr IP trickler. I just switch the cable between whichever trickler I want to run..

Very happy with these setups. Can't wait to get the new IP Dumper.





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Looks awesome! Wish I had a V3 thrower until the IP ships!
 
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I finally retired my APC Line-R that has served me well for so many years providing stable power to my A&D/AT/IP setups over the years.

The Line-R has been discontinued for some time. So many better options available today with lots more features.

I just installed this new APC 1500VA Pure Sine Wave UPS with AVR and Battery backup for both my A&D/IP setups.

The Line-R I've been using for so long did AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulation). Keeps a stable 120V going to your scale at all times instead of dipping and surging which can cause scales to drift.. this new APC does that and so much more.



 
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padom said:
I finally retired my APC Line-R that has served me well for so many years providing stable power to my A&D/AT/IP setups over the years.

The Line-R has been discontinued for some time. So many better options available today with lots more features.

I just installed this new APC 1500VA Pure Sine Wave UPS with AVR and Battery backup for both my A&D/IP setups.

The Line-R I've been using for so long did AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulation). Keeps a stable 120V going to your scale at all times instead of dipping and surging which can cause scales to drift.. this new APC does that and so much more.



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Do you ground your scales too? Along with what you mention above, I have found that grounding the scale also helps and is recommended by AnD.
 
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padom said:
I finally retired my APC Line-R that has served me well for so many years providing stable power to my A&D/AT/IP setups over the years.

The Line-R has been discontinued for some time. So many better options available today with lots more features.

I just installed this new APC 1500VA Pure Sine Wave UPS with AVR and Battery backup for both my A&D/IP setups.

The Line-R I've been using for so long did AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulation). Keeps a stable 120V going to your scale at all times instead of dipping and surging which can cause scales to drift.. this new APC does that and so much more.



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Is there a baby brother to the one you purchased? I guess the really question is how much unit do you need to run one scale setup? I've started to look at UPS units several times but I always give up because, it's confusing.
 
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AllenOne1 said:
Is there a baby brother to the one you purchased? I guess the really question is how much unit do you need to run one scale setup? I've started to look at UPS units several times but I always give up because, it's confusing.
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Key is buying a quality name brand with Pure Sine wave....cheaper wants aren't sine wave...

This cyberpower one is a little cheaper and works great. I sell a lot of these and no issues (I own a commerical IT company)


 
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AllenOne1 said:
Is there a baby brother to the one you purchased? I guess the really question is how much unit do you need to run one scale setup? I've started to look at UPS units several times but I always give up because, it's confusing.
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For the scale and dispenser even 300vA is more than enough, but you want to get a something with a true sine wave output, not a simulated sine wave. Most cheaper models are simulated sine wave output. While I haven't tested it I doubt a precision balance like an A&D or sartorius would like a simulated sine wave input should the unit flick over to battery/inverter power momentarily.

You'll probably also want to go into the UPS setup options and tighten up the switchover voltages. Out of the box some models won't switch over until 135V/100V. I would change both the over and under voltage switchovers to as close to 120v as it will allow.

If you're only powering the balance and dispenser with the UPS, another reason to go small is much cheaper replacement batteries in 3-5 years when they go bad. You don't need a large capacity UPS since you aren't trying to keep a power hungry server running for 10 minutes while it executes a safe shut down, you're only filtering power for a low draw balance and dispenser.
 
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Yea the Line-R AVR ive been using for years had 3 lights in the front. Green orange and red.. green was incoming 120V and when it went to orange voltage input was above 120v and red light showed when voltage input was below 120V..

You'd be suprised how much your voltage fluctuates, especially when compressors and heavy loads kick off and on like your A/C, heat pump, air compressor, etc....
 
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padom said:
Yea the Line-R AVR ive been using for years had 3 lights in the front. Green orange and red.. green was incoming 120V and when it went to orange voltage input was above 120v and red light showed when voltage input was below 120V..

You'd be suprised how much your voltage fluctuates, especially when compressors and heavy loads kick off and on like your A/C, heat pump, air compressor, etc....
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Yep, got the line-r probably 7 or 8 years ago when the autotrickler first came out to help deal with voltage sags when my well kicks on; I think I was one of the first people to recommend it to deal with the occasional issues people were having with their FX120i's as the line-r was cheap on Amazon and worked very well.

The line-r regulates closer to 120v nominal than most UPS, but it appears to be just a simple multi tap transformer that automatically switches windings based on incoming voltage so it's somewhat limited in terms of how much it can compensate. Still works well though. For best voltage control you would need a UPS with full active voltage regulation that is always regulating output voltage.

For balance / dispenser use it would be nice to find a true sine wave single battery UPS around 500-700vA; more than enough capacity and cheaper single battery replacement down the road. Not sure if anyone makes a small true sine wave single battery UPS though... seems like all the smaller capacity units are simulated sine wave output.
 
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Kiba said:
For balance / dispenser use it would be nice to find a true sine wave single battery UPS around 500-700vA; more than enough capacity and cheaper single battery replacement down the road. Not sure if anyone makes a small true sine wave single battery UPS though... seems like all the smaller capacity units are simulated sine wave output.
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Consumer grade sine wave units are typically 1000vA+ at least from what I’ve been able to find.
 
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