Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action

Lots of crazy info here. Current owner is saying they're simply moving and things are fine but someone (assuming employee) says the opposite. This could both be true I guess. If the new owner has already set up a new shop then it's just bad communication on his part. If he hasn't setup a full shop then I don't see a world where I could move a production line anywhere and be setup within a month.
 
Wouldn't there be some record of a filing within the Oklahoma Secretary of State corporation database? Seems like if a gun manufacturer was moving to the state there would be some sort of filing. Nothing shows up.

Agree with others- there is more to the story.

It's also a shame the way all of this is being handled. Second rate at best. Whoever thought that alienating employees, vendors and customers was a good idea or didn't see this mess as an avoided one should smacked hard and forced to talk with David Hogg for 36 hours.
 
Well, the phone hasn’t stopped blowing up over the last week or so, so I decided to ignore it and head to the range. And after all the doom and gloom, what better to take than the rifle that started it all, the original RAVAGE.

As some here may remember, this is the very first of my 40X Repeater Conversions used to test the magazines. Funny thing though, I can’t remember ever trying out the newer aluminum mags in it.

Anyway, it still hammers. First two shots to check dope at 100, then a three shot group.

Stop for a moment and have fun guys, something tells me things will work out just fine.

MB

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If you own or run a metal fab business, you know how hard it is to get good skilled labor. Welders are not easy to find, a great brake operator is even harder... a machinist is harder yet.. If my lease ran out. and I had the skilled labor to run my company..I would not move over a couple of states..I would move right down the street or across town to keep said labor..I would also give out info to my customers, saying that we are moving, well in advance..especially if you had a order already in.. I am by no means Elon Musk, but this doesn't add up as smart business people making smart business decisions. Employees didn't know (maybe, but I believe that post) there sponsored shooters that I have talked too didn't know..No forewarning to the customers. Leases are signed contracts done in years, so that had to be known about for a long time Unless there was lack of payment and forced to leave.. That Ex employees post seems most likely.
 
FYI , on a other forum they pulled the ffl list , no vudoo or Herman ?
So the consensus is it’s sketchy,,,,,, it does not look like they are moving to OK , as one person put it that would be a way to stall people to keep them off their backs for a bit
Now , people are people , and we are curious about what’s going on in our small circle maybe even a bit concerned but as MB put it , we should be having fun ,,,,,,,,,I am like the rest of you in that I wonder what’s going on and I want to know what’s going on ,,,,,,, but will we ever really know ????? Even if they come out and talk , will it be the truth ? Why worry about it ?
I , for one, I’m tired of lies deceit and BS I just enjoy my peace now
So , relax , don’t fret , enjoy the show , it will be what it will be
 
If you own or run a metal fab business, you know how hard it is to get good skilled labor. Welders are not easy to find, a great brake operator is even harder... a machinist is harder yet.. If my lease ran out. and I had the skilled labor to run my company..I would not move over a couple of states..I would move right down the street or across town to keep said labor..I would also give out info to my customers, saying that we are moving, well in advance..especially if you had a order already in.. I am by no means Elon Musk, but this doesn't add up as smart business people making smart business decisions. Employees didn't know (maybe, but I believe that post) there sponsored shooters that I have talked too didn't know..No forewarning to the customers. Leases are signed contracts done in years, so that had to be known about for a long time Unless there was lack of payment and forced to leave.. That Ex employees post seems most likely.
Look at the press from other folks in the industry moving. Rearden, Resiient, even S&W. Or even look at a lot of the machining companies posting new equipment on socials like Gray Ops and Area 419.

If my business was moving, I would have stuff plastered everywhere. In this day and age customers and keeping customers informed matters. That’s just my opinion.
 
FYI , on a other forum they pulled the ffl list , no vudoo or Herman ?
So the consensus is it’s sketchy,,,,,, it does not look like they are moving to OK , as one person put it that would be a way to stall people to keep them off their backs for a bit
Now , people are people , and we are curious about what’s going on in our small circle maybe even a bit concerned but as MB put it , we should be having fun ,,,,,,,,,I am like the rest of you in that I wonder what’s going on and I want to know what’s going on ,,,,,,, but will we ever really know ????? Even if they come out and talk , will it be the truth ? Why worry about it ?
I , for one, I’m tired of lies deceit and BS I just enjoy my peace now
So , relax , don’t fret , enjoy the show , it will be what it will be
I understand people's concern, but this type of post is not good for anybody, it is speculation that spreads fear and doubt and causes even more grief for me. I have fielded enough calls already about things that people said on the internet. I am behind schedule and more calls asking about stuff like this hurts me even more.
The FFL IS valid, and on the list, searching by a name means nothing. Knowing where and how to search is relevant.
Now go have fun, as MB said everything will be fine.
 
FYI , on a other forum they pulled the ffl list , no vudoo or Herman ?
So the consensus is it’s sketchy,,,,,, it does not look like they are moving to OK , as one person put it that would be a way to stall people to keep them off their backs for a bit
Now , people are people , and we are curious about what’s going on in our small circle maybe even a bit concerned but as MB put it , we should be having fun ,,,,,,,,,I am like the rest of you in that I wonder what’s going on and I want to know what’s going on ,,,,,,, but will we ever really know ????? Even if they come out and talk , will it be the truth ? Why worry about it ?
I , for one, I’m tired of lies deceit and BS I just enjoy my peace now
So , relax , don’t fret , enjoy the show , it will be what it will be
@68hoyt I know what you're trying to say here, and it's correct that an FFL would need to be in place before Vudoo can legally ship serialized product from the new location, but, based on what has been claimed, the FFL would be in the application phase at this point. IF the application for a new FFL is in at the ATF and is in process, there would be no result to show in a general search, as it pertains to any alleged re-location, etc. But the way I see it is in direct agreement with @jstiller, if they don't make it, and they may not (just calling it the way I see it), the hole will be filled, which is more of what the message is in my posts above while at the range today.

Having said all that, and this is for everyone, please continue to speak freely, no one needs to shut up about this....These threads are still mine and anything related to the title(s) will not be off topic. Without genuine, honest input, that's constructively presented, nothing changes for the better.

The greater reason this has turned into such a dumpster fire is there's no one at Vudoo effectively managing a narrative (that makes sense) that serves this community. This community is what makes companies exist, or not, by way of an ability to vote with a wallet. It's as simple as that. But when there's seemingly a current (or former, who knows at this point) Vudoo employee on FB blasting people for having an opinion in the absence of a well managed message, the writing is on the wall....but it may have been on the wall before all this....

Carry on, Gentlemen....

MB
 
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I understand people's concern, but this type of post is not good for anybody, it is speculation that spreads fear and doubt and causes even more grief for me. I have fielded enough calls already about things that people said on the internet. I am behind schedule and more calls asking about stuff like this hurts me even more.
The FFL IS valid, and on the list, searching by a name means nothing. Knowing where and how to search is relevant.
Now go have fun, as MB said everything will be fine.
Sorry David, but there's nothing wrong with the @68hoyt post and many others like it. The fear and doubt is fueled elsewhere and what's happening here and many other forums/social media is a typical response to the absence of upfront, credible, information. People have hard earned dollars invested with zero information and no ability to contact anyone. And let's say these guys ride this out and end up with "something." What exactly will it be? Will they be able to trust it? Will they be satisfied with the money spent based on the experience? Unfortunately, the list is long and the court of public opinion has convened.

Not trying to ruffle your feathers, just want to keep things in perspective for the sake of the community.

MB
 
Only had one issue with a brand new rifle where replacement parts were needed (firing pin) out of 3 vudoos I owned

I can see the logic behind having extra on hand especially now with all this. But I'm also confident mine will keep shooting like they have been last 5 years with proper maintenance
 
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Are these guns just breaking left and right?
No, not what i meant. But if you're cleaning it one day and find a broken part or decide to change the moa of the rail....whatever. it'd be nice to know there were options for finding that part. This is my only concern about the new not really released news of their possible continued existence.
 
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If they are moving to Oklahoma something tells me they already have something worked out. With the amount of business in the precision rifle community in Oklahoma it shouldn’t be that hard to get set up especially if some of the builders are involved.

Never know and I definitely didn’t see this coming. Just got two more rifles in a few months ago.
 
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No, not what i meant. But if you're cleaning it one day and find a broken part or decide to change the moa of the rail....whatever. it'd be nice to know there were options for finding that part. This is my only concern about the new not really released news of their possible continued existence.

 
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I know this is going to ruffle some feathers…But we are all here to speak our minds. Vudoo started dying when MB left, pretty much all innovation and forward progress died. The mag that they failed to “perfect” was the canary in the coal mine. Then they made mistake over mistake, which compounded the problems. 2011’s which took focus and effort away from their niche which was rimfire, then they stopped selling actions to public and other smiths and locked DI as the exclusive distributor which was a colossal mistake. Sure DI builds a good rifle, but I for one have another smith that I only work with on my rimfire rifles. And let’s be honest DI was price gouging…$2700 for barreled action? Let’s do the math at retail pricing(not accounting for their discount structure)

$2700 DI Barreled Action
-$1200 Action
-$400 Mullerworks Blank
So that leaves $1100 profit per B/A to spin a barrel and chamber it. That’s insane amount of money to be honest. Look up what most smiths charge the pricing is out there…Furthermore that’s more like $1500 per gun with their discounts!

That’s insane to me! Talk about charging a premium once you are the sole supplier!

DI was also not the greatest with timelines, and they kept pushing the 1:13 barrel while still offering the 1:16 only as an afterthought. I never spoke to Dave Lott but I know people that have spoken to him that I trust and he was heavily pushing the 1:13.

I for one wanted another Vudoo but simply did not want to deal with a monopoly and sourced my additional action by other means. I actually called Vudoo for some spare parts right after DI announcement and challenged them on the agreement. The explanation I received was “We got tired of getting actions back and having to tell people it was the barrel that was spun by XYZ that was the issue.” I think that was a BS answer. They could have sold the actions with a disclaimer or some other solution.

As I said I fully expect this to ruffle some feathers, but the management did this to themselves(Not necessarily the Parrot’s the joke of a CEO they got though on the other hand…) Now they are trying to control the messaging but the damage has been done. I’ll gladly shoot my 2 Vudoo’s until they bite the dust. I’m sure someone else will rise to the top as the premier action supplier. I don’t think that is yet available. None of the current solutions or future ones coming down the pipeline that I am aware of will be at the level Vudoo was.
 
I know this is going to ruffle some feathers…But we are all here to speak our minds. Vudoo started dying when MB left, pretty much all innovation and forward progress died. The mag that they failed to “perfect” was the canary in the coal mine. Then they made mistake over mistake, which compounded the problems. 2011’s which took focus and effort away from their niche which was rimfire, then they stopped selling actions to public and other smiths and locked DI as the exclusive distributor which was a colossal mistake. Sure DI builds a good rifle, but I for one have another smith that I only work with on my rimfire rifles. And let’s be honest DI was price gouging…$2700 for barreled action? Let’s do the math at retail pricing(not accounting for their discount structure)

$2700 DI Barreled Action
-$1200 Action
-$400 Mullerworks Blank
So that leaves $1100 profit per B/A to spin a barrel and chamber it. That’s insane amount of money to be honest. Look up what most smiths charge the pricing is out there…Furthermore that’s more like $1500 per gun with their discounts!

That’s insane to me! Talk about charging a premium once you are the sole supplier!

DI was also not the greatest with timelines, and they kept pushing the 1:13 barrel while still offering the 1:16 only as an afterthought. I never spoke to Dave Lott but I know people that have spoken to him that I trust and he was heavily pushing the 1:13.

I for one wanted another Vudoo but simply did not want to deal with a monopoly and sourced my additional action by other means. I actually called Vudoo for some spare parts right after DI announcement and challenged them on the agreement. The explanation I received was “We got tired of getting actions back and having to tell people it was the barrel that was spun by XYZ that was the issue.” I think that was a BS answer. They could have sold the actions with a disclaimer or some other solution.

As I said I fully expect this to ruffle some feathers, but the management did this to themselves(Not necessarily the Parrot’s the joke of a CEO they got though on the other hand…) Now they are trying to control the messaging but the damage has been done. I’ll gladly shoot my 2 Vudoo’s until they bite the dust. I’m sure someone else will rise to the top as the premier action supplier. I don’t think that is yet available. None of the current solutions or future ones coming down the pipeline that I am aware of will be at the level Vudoo was.
100% agreed on all points.
 
Are these guns just breaking left and right?
I'm just throwing this out there to maybe provide some perspective.

My 360 with 22inch Ace Kukri made it to over 100k rounds without any issue. At that point I took the precaution of changing the firing pin spring and, if anything, it might have shot better before but still going strong. I have a second build on order since October. I hope I see it one day. The biggest loss here will not be if I get my second rifle or not. What is missing for me is the excitement around Vudoo when Mike, Jill, and Paul were teamed up. Mike especially. He made time for a phone call that cemented my choices for the first rifle. Frankly I don't know how those three found the energy to do as much as they were doing in the beginning. So I'm grateful for what I have and am just chillin' until I see what's next.
 
Since we are ruffling feathers why did MB sell in the first place?!?
My guess is that they got approached by the Investment Firm and had to show better EBITDA which most of these guys live and die by. The easiest way to quickly turn up your EBIDTA on the short term? Cut costs…But it rears it’s ugly head in other areas such as quality, warranty and sales, but usually has a delayed affect.
 
I'll share my experience as a purchaser, as I think it tends to support the idea they absolutely fell apart. I was interested in a Vudoo, and spoke to Brad a few times on the phone from the first weke of April up until April 9th. At that point I submitted my order to Vudoo through the website. Realized I made a mistake and talked to them on the phone and via email. Made changes, got a new invoice, everything was cool up until I think the 16th when I stumbled on rumors they closed their doors.

That really surprised me because I had been working with Brad and JoAnn pretty often. On the 15th I started calling and well as emailing. It was radio silence, which seemed very odd considering they always answered promptly before this. Monday I did a CC chargeback.

In the course of a week it went from frequent communication and nailing down the exact build I wanted to a black hole. Nothing. They made no mention at all to any changes, so it seems like the employees were blindsided by the changes. Maybe not, but I'd be somewhat surprised if they saw it coming. The immediate and complete lack of communication also suggests it was a pretty dramatic collapse.

My suspicion tends to think the worst, which has also supposedly been shared by an employee. The Boss came in, said Vudoo is done everyone get out. If thats the case whoever bought Vudoo effectivley has bought the name only.

I for one have no intentions of rolling the dice on any new rifle from them, at least not until they get a decent track record. I have a feeling any future Vudoo products are going to be Vudoo in name only, at least for a while. Its pretty hisheartening, I was really excited for a new rifle. Rather sad to think as it stands today Rimx is the only game in town for high end rimfire actions.