I use Plan A on all of my rifles with good results. As far as a difference in sound reduction I dont think it really matters in rifle cans. However I think it may matter in PCC cans. A 3 lug almost completely fille the blast chamber in a smallish can like an Omega 9K or R9. That could definitely make it louder than direct thread.
Suppressors Mount or direct thread?
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Not rocket science but sure as hell not anywhere near easy. lol But hey you do what works for you.
I run a Hydrogen K 6.5 on my 6.5x55 hunting rifle, DT with a Wolfpack recessed hub mount. No audible difference between a normal hub mount and the recessed one.
On a bigger can I wouldn't even think about it, but the Hydro K isn't big (smaller than a Hux Flow 9k) and the difference in volume reduction between the normal and recessed hub mount isn't insignificant.
Also didn't notice any difference with a Sandman S, DT vs Keymo brake vs Area419 universal mount on a 300WM.
All you gotta say is;
“I went direct thread because I’m cheap. But, because DT can walk loose and my time is effectively free, I use rock set and wait the recommended 1 day to let it cure when installing a suppressor. And, it’s super easy to remove too. All I need is a stove, a pot, a tumbler, some water, a strap wrench, a reaction rod, and a vice.”
As you can see, when properly laid out, the elegance of the simplicity is impossible to ignore.
“I went direct thread because I’m cheap. But, because DT can walk loose and my time is effectively free, I use rock set and wait the recommended 1 day to let it cure when installing a suppressor. And, it’s super easy to remove too. All I need is a stove, a pot, a tumbler, some water, a strap wrench, a reaction rod, and a vice.”
As you can see, when properly laid out, the elegance of the simplicity is impossible to ignore.
Until you want to clean your rifle and end up with a can full of patches lol
I've gotta be honest, the main attraction of DT for me is length and weight. A while back, I got it in my head that I was going to put together that one rifle. The rig that would be my goto 90% of the time.
When I was done, I wound up with an 11.5" pig. So, I went back and re-thought things. I went with a barrel with a more modern profile. I canned the riflespeed gas block, i went with a lighter light. I went from a gen 2 razor to an NX8. A few ounces here and there and was able to get to a rig that weighed less than 9 lbs.
Going DT can save you some weight where it matters the most.
When I was done, I wound up with an 11.5" pig. So, I went back and re-thought things. I went with a barrel with a more modern profile. I canned the riflespeed gas block, i went with a lighter light. I went from a gen 2 razor to an NX8. A few ounces here and there and was able to get to a rig that weighed less than 9 lbs.
Going DT can save you some weight where it matters the most.
Oh, man. I went out to the short range this morning to confirm my zero for my trip to the long range tomorrow. The guy next to me was shooting a 16" with a Fat Cat on it. Wow, that is a good sounding suppressor. On a 16", it was actually what I would call hearing safe in that setting.
Geez, I'm checking my email every 10 minutes hoping I get the nod before my gun shop closes. Kind of made me want to put together a lighter 16" rig just to run the suppressor on. Hmmm, maybe I see a V Seven barrel in my future.
Geez, I'm checking my email every 10 minutes hoping I get the nod before my gun shop closes. Kind of made me want to put together a lighter 16" rig just to run the suppressor on. Hmmm, maybe I see a V Seven barrel in my future.
There's no such thing as "enough" suppressors. There's only "not enough money to have them all".
Goes for rifles too, because a suppressor without a rifle to be on is just a "anything's a dildo if you're brave enough" with a pressure release vent.
I’ve went for muzzle devices on all my cans thus far and do experience the carbon lock can from time to time. The rc2 had to get shot off (which was sorta fun). For prs I would much rather and will run direct thread for my next can. I clean the crown and prefer not having to deal with messing with a loctited muzzle device. The Tbac dominus can has been a joy to shoot , just would prefer not to mess with the mount
Woohoo. I woke up to an email from the ATF. Application approved!! Figures, my LGS is closed today. Gotta wait till tomorrow. Man, I won't be able to sleep tonight.
I've gotta figure out a way to get out of work tomorrow.
I've gotta figure out a way to get out of work tomorrow.
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Yeah. Length amd weight. I don't know which suppressor you're running, but your mount setup looks like it adds at least an inch.
If an inch isn't a big deal, then why not 12.5 instead of 11.5 or why pin and weld a 14.5? Because it all adds up. I guess you're one of those guys whose answer is to work out more and you never get tired.
Any hub compatible suppressor is going to need an adapter. They all add something to the total length of a suppressor. When I get back from this trip, I’ll spin a thunderchicken on to this rifle. It’s built for that brake, and swallows it like a whore. Basically no added length from the brake, or a nonexistent adapter.
I have a very minimalist direct thread hub adapter and it still adds something 1/2” to total length of a suppressor. (I’m guessing from several hours away.) https://yhm.net/suppressor-accessories/hub-direct-thread-mount-system-yhm-2189/ Maybe it’s as little as 3/8”, but it’s not nothing. It’s the cost of doing business with the hub system. Sure, you could buy a non-hub, direct thread only can, but you’re stuck with that one thread pitch. It’s a 30 cal can, but you want to put it on a 5.56 rifle? Too bad. Got a hunting rifle that you want to suppress, but it has an odd ball thread pitch? Too bad.
I just looked up the Rearden atlas adapter, in my image above. It adds 1/2” to the length of the can. Their new gen 2 looks to be even more minimalist.
“Mounts and adapters are expensive” is a valid reason to direct thread.
“My rifle is totally unshootable because it is 1/2” longer and 2 oz heavier” is not.
I have a very minimalist direct thread hub adapter and it still adds something 1/2” to total length of a suppressor. (I’m guessing from several hours away.) https://yhm.net/suppressor-accessories/hub-direct-thread-mount-system-yhm-2189/ Maybe it’s as little as 3/8”, but it’s not nothing. It’s the cost of doing business with the hub system. Sure, you could buy a non-hub, direct thread only can, but you’re stuck with that one thread pitch. It’s a 30 cal can, but you want to put it on a 5.56 rifle? Too bad. Got a hunting rifle that you want to suppress, but it has an odd ball thread pitch? Too bad.
I just looked up the Rearden atlas adapter, in my image above. It adds 1/2” to the length of the can. Their new gen 2 looks to be even more minimalist.
“Mounts and adapters are expensive” is a valid reason to direct thread.
“My rifle is totally unshootable because it is 1/2” longer and 2 oz heavier” is not.
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You can actually get flush mounts for hub adapters that don’t add any length to the suppressor. They will butt all the way up to the shoulder on the threads
Ooooo cool! I was wondering why the adapters I saw (during a cursory glance) stuck out at all. Good to see there’s someone making a flat one.
As far as length being a problem, where I was going earlier with add-on adapters downsides is getting the gun, suppressor attached, into a particular case and/or car. I like throwing the rifles in sideways in the 4Runner (56”-57” width max).
I’ve edited my post to make that clear.
Outside of that, I can’t see having an inch longer gun making much of a diff.
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Same boat for me, I have some mounts that are flush and some that add a good bit to the rifle. I don’t think either one has a REAL advantage over the other. They both do what they are supposed to do.
Same opinion goes to direct thread versus some type of QD. They both work and I use both
Ecco Machine makes some great HUB DT mounts and other manufacturer compatible HUB mounts. I have a few of their TBAC CB HUB mounts and they are fantastic.
When I first started this thread and asked the question of whether a DT mount vs a QD mount might jave an effect on suppression, there was something that I didn't consider. Some mount and/or muzzle device combos may impede on the internal volume of the suppressor.
I just pucked up my fat cat. I like the SRX mounting system. With the mini brake and srx mount, it's pretty compact. I could go with a wolfpack recessed DT mount, but it's only gonna save me .5" and 1.5 oz. I think I'd rather have the convenience of the QD.
I just pucked up my fat cat. I like the SRX mounting system. With the mini brake and srx mount, it's pretty compact. I could go with a wolfpack recessed DT mount, but it's only gonna save me .5" and 1.5 oz. I think I'd rather have the convenience of the QD.
