Hey, that’s been going on for a while, and it works.
Notice how Memphis isn’t on fire right now like St. Louis was?
Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.
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Notice how Memphis isn’t on fire right now like St. Louis was?
oh, the classic one where the guy clearly pulls trigger and it fires......pretty much the exact opposite of a 320, lmao. Copium much? I prefer the videos of the 320 striker safety failing to do it's job and 50% failure rate. Or sigs vibration testing that shows 30% show signs of the striker making light indentation on primers. I just can't see being so emotionally attached to a firearm that you put blinders on. It's a basic striker pistol that doesn't do anything better than 4 or 5 other striker guns that don't come with the poor safety track record.
The sig macro with a wilson grip is really nice. It seems the fuse size is directly aimed at duty size pistols, 17rd and 4.25" barrel. It's like they realized they need to get their ducks in a row and get something ready to supersede/replace the 320. I do like the 365 I have, will like it better with a stronger striker spring. Seems sig wants to get the lightest trigger pull possible, the hell with reliability or safety.
I put 50 rounds through a P365 Fuse before ordering the P320, the grip was too narrow for me and I did not shoot it well with standard practice loads, I shoot the original P365 with a gold dot short barrel load and can place rounds in a tight group, I can do the same with gold dot 124+p, I use a medium grip on a P320. M&P 9 does the same but I am transitioning to optic cut.
So not trying to be a dick and I don't own a sig. How does any of this "testing proves the sig can have a nd" have anything to do with a guy walking around and his sig goes of in the holster? Was there a guy walking next to him smashing his pistol with a hammer? Did any of them do a backflip landing at exactly -30 degrees on the pistol? It has been proven that under certain very unusual scenarios it can happen but so what?
That one still bugs me a little. The rest of the videos I've seen leave room for something to be hung up in the trigger like a shirttail.
It's really no different than the swat guy severing 3 arteries in his leg with his holstered Glock but I don't have video of that.
Someone I know in the LEO supply business mentioned it was a "holster problem" when I was picking up a gun he but didn't elaborate and business was being conducted with other people in the shop so I didn't ask any follow up questions. Didn't want to disrupt his business with a bunch of hear say chatter.
I'm not sure how a holster could contribute to a spontaneous discharge but I also don't know what modifications had ben done to the P320 in question. Maybe the guy did some trigger tooning on his own. I've seen guys polish sears on AR-15-ish weapons to the point where the next time they take it to the range it nearly empties a magazine before they can get their finger off the trigger.
I'd like a more detailed explanation for the holster UD in the police station but I haven't tried to find it.
Correct. I never said he didn't pull the trigger.
Obviously the point I was trying to make is too subtle for people with SDS which is a vast majority of the UDs in the field can be explained by booger hooks and general mishandling.
Never said the P320 wasn't capable of UD under the right conditions. But I am saying I tend to believe most of the "evidence" is actually some ham handed clumsy fuck trying to blame the machine rather than admit to a lack of discipline.
Just like the holstered Glock that "spontaneously" severed 3 arteries I hesitate to blame the machine. How many P320s have spontaneously severed any arteries?
I think mikey gets it and if that poor dumb bastard
can understand there should be hope for everyone.
Thought I 've seen it before. But wouldn't trust any dick bitch cops/agent with proper handling of firearms ....still!
I can’t stand Biden and it was still a retarded comment. Your doing exactly what the left does with trump, going full retard blindly blaming who you imagined caused the issue with zero context or knowledge of the situation
YEAH!
Just make sure you pay your Fed taxes on time so my pension checks stay regular, OK?
TIA!
Sure, since y'all payin' for 'em, 1st of the month, for the rest of my life.Eat a bag dicks with the money you get for being a bad cop.
A couple days after I was done with some training at Coronado, I went for a ride along with my brother who was a sheriff deputy in whatever county is east of San Diego.
I had the chance to see the inside of the armory. I have never seen so many holes from discharged weapons before. There were bullet holes in every wall. There were dents on the inside of the metal door to the armory, I believe the dents were from a couple pistols and a shotgun blast or two. The ceiling was barely able to stay up. I could see the difference between the rifles, shotguns and pistols.
My idea that police know how to handle firarms was completely destroyed.
As for the P320 crap going on, my 320 still loves me and hasn't mysteriously discharged yet. I doubt it will.
I had the chance to see the inside of the armory. I have never seen so many holes from discharged weapons before. There were bullet holes in every wall. There were dents on the inside of the metal door to the armory, I believe the dents were from a couple pistols and a shotgun blast or two. The ceiling was barely able to stay up. I could see the difference between the rifles, shotguns and pistols.
My idea that police know how to handle firarms was completely destroyed.
As for the P320 crap going on, my 320 still loves me and hasn't mysteriously discharged yet. I doubt it will.
Anyone who thinks the military and police are well trained with firearms is retarded
Bullshit, I shoot with 10 active duty Marines every year, they can shoot, handle their weapons safely and are a force to be admired.
I’ve watched hundred's upon hundreds of people attempt to pass police qualifications and thousands of vets claiming to be hot shit and most can’t shoot. I’ve told people in uniform if they responded to a call that im on scene I’d rather them leave then try to “help” me and end up shooting me.
Sweet story about knowing 10 people you shoot with once a year. I was around hundreds daily for years.
Moral of the story military experience nor a badge make you a shooter.
The State of Washington is in.
www.king5.com
Banned police guns in WA could end up in the hands of civilians
Hundreds of those controversial firearms – Sig Sauer model P320 – could end up back in the marketplace potentially for sale to citizens, KING 5 Investigators find.
www.king5.com
The State of Washington is in.
Banned police guns in WA could end up in the hands of civilians
Hundreds of those controversial firearms – Sig Sauer model P320 – could end up back in the marketplace potentially for sale to citizens, KING 5 Investigators find.
Coming in the next episode of "As the Sear Churns" ...
Such a vicious circle
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Looks like they can mags go off by shaking them and putting them into Sig holsters .
Swapping FCUs seems to be a major safety hazard but also a selling point
Yeah, assuming I followed it correctly the video said a 10mm fcu/fcg in a 9mm setup?
A while back I looked at a bare fcu on Sig's website and it said "compatible with 9mm, 40s&w, 357sig" I think ... didn't mention 10mm that I recall
There may be a document out there that says a 10mm fcu is compatible with 9mm but I haven't seen it ... haven't looked for it either.
I'm not sure the 9/40/357 fcu is compatible with 45 or vice versa
Somebody out there sells a 3rd party kit to convert a 9mm fcu to be compatible with 10mm ... that right there makes me believe it's not directly compatible ... personally doesn't even sound like a good idea to me
Maybe Sig claims somewhere that fcu's are universally compatible with all calibers ... seems like that would be a bold statement.
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According to the sigforum 9/40/357/10 are all the same - different for .45
I did t know either - just the first tho h I found on Google search. So if 9/40 are the same - everything except .45 then it would seem reasonable for someone to swap their 9mm into a 10mm - cause the sigforum said that’s what you can do .
I don't see "10" mentioned at that link, the number "10" isn't even on the page as far as I can tell
You are correct - and yet they have a 10mm 320- some would think it would be in common with 40 and 9/40/357 are a single skew .
I don’t know much about this platform just what the first thing on a search turned up .
Did you search the video?
I wish someone would do a more in depth analysis- if a flu from 2015 will work in a frame/slide from 2025 or if you’d be tolerance stacking yourself into a what are they calling it uncommanded discharge
I don’t know much about this platform just what the first thing on a search turned up .
Did you search the video?
I wish someone would do a more in depth analysis- if a flu from 2015 will work in a frame/slide from 2025 or if you’d be tolerance stacking yourself into a what are they calling it uncommanded discharge
Don't get me wrong, I believe parts shouldn't be interchangeable unless tested and safe. Especially if you're advertising people doing it themselves at home.
But I also believe if you're going to be fucking with your guns at home playing hobby gunsmith it's a FAFO kinda situation.
I watched a good bit of it. Not sure what searched means.
I find the video in video format a little annoying but not nearly as annoying as the "host". It's like Mystery Firearm Theater 3000.
The video shows a 9mm fcu side-by-side with a 10mm fcu around 9:57
Side by side the differences are fairly easy to spot. Handling one or the other only it would take some expertise to identify which one you have. I can see where it would be easy for people to mismatch parts and have issues.
When the nested video guy has two rounds discharge with "one" trigger pull at the range it says right there on the screen it's a "10mm fcu in a 9mm frame with the takedown lever still in the takedown position" ... that's off in the weeds just a little bit ... mismatched parts AND improperly assembled ? ... this is around 33:00 in the wrapper video
Right after that when he starts shaking the gun to release the sear he says "when in the takedown position, if the gun was not assembled properly you can get sear engagement" then he shakes it and CLICK.
The safety video was a good video. This video in a video has the data available to be good but the fat guy in the boogaloo shirt seems to be in it for the clicks just like the Mystery Firearm 3000 guy.
Yeah the Hawaii shit guy and his crew did t make the best video; focus trip can be dull and dry.Don't get me wrong, I believe parts shouldn't be interchangeable unless tested and safe. Especially if you're advertising people doing it themselves at home.
But I also believe if you're going to be fucking with your guns at home playing hobby gunsmith it's a FAFO kinda situation.
I watched a good bit of it. Not sure what searched means.
I find the video in video format a little annoying but not nearly as annoying as the "host". It's like Mystery Firearm Theater 3000.
The video shows a 9mm fcu side-by-side with a 10mm fcu around 9:57
Side by side the differences are fairly easy to spot. Handling one or the other only it would take some expertise to identify which one you have. I can see where it would be easy for people to mismatch parts and have issues.
When the nested video guy has two rounds discharge with "one" trigger pull at the range it says right there on the screen it's a "10mm fcu in a 9mm frame with the takedown lever still in the takedown position" ... that's off in the weeds just a little bit ... mismatched parts AND improperly assembled ? ... this is around 33:00 in the wrapper video
Right after that when he starts shaking the gun to release the sear he says "when in the takedown position, if the gun was not assembled properly you can get sear engagement" then he shakes it and CLICK.
The safety video was a good video. This video in a video has the data available to be good but the fat guy in the boogaloo shirt seems to be in it for the clicks just like the Mystery Firearm 3000 guy.
Like I said I’d like someone to explore the fcu And the perhaps out of spec India made parts further .
I’d like to know the military police and citizens who carry the 320 and M17/18 have a pistol that won’t go bang u less they want it to .
Seen enough videos now of holster pops all with one firearm I’d not buy/own one .
Now admittedly I don’t own nor wish to buy a 320- but the question just occurred to me - if the 9/40 FCU is very likely to cause a ND or uncommanded boom or whatever the cool kids say when put into a 10 mil grip frame - why does the 9/40 fcu fit ?
Apologies in advance for the luckyduck length post.
Yeah, some of the videos make me a little paranoid but then I think if any 320 should ND/UD/AD it should be mine.
I've posted this before but the pic below is how I usually carry it in a Bianchi Foldaway under an untucked shirt that loves to try to wrap itself around the gun every time I holster it. Difference is my shirt is usually buttoned up all the way and my six pack abs look more like 40's than Coors.
I bought it not long after they came out, never sent it back for the fix, installed an APEX curved trigger kit and been carrying it nearly every day since, roughly 10 years.
The Foldaway even straddles a belt loop to keep the rig from drifting forward or backward as I putter around wherever I'm going which means there's a belt loop twerking in the trigger guard all day every day.
I ended up rounding off the picatinny rail because it kept hanging up on the Foldaway/beltloop/jeans/whatever which made me drop it a couple times but it didn't bark on it's own in any of those instances.
When I visit gun free zones like the office I slam it into the paddle holster that came with it and toss (literally toss/drop) it into the console safe in the truck with spare mags and whatever else is in there. Sometimes it rides home in the console safe, rattling, knocking, clinking and clanking all the way home.
When I get home I put it in a $15 kydex IWB that doesn't fit it very well, so has been relegated to storage duty, then it gets dropped on the granite counter. Sometimes hard enough to make a noise loud enough for my wife to
There is no denying the drop test failures or the guy discharging one by beating the crap out of one with a mallet and I absolutely believe it will discharge under the right kind of abuse.
So, yeah, some of the videos make me a little paranoid but if mine hasn't gone off the way I treat it then it makes me think the people who have had "accidents" must be even more shit at discipline and gunsmithing than me.
Plus, there's the Elite SWAT team member whose holsterd Glock severed three arteries "all on it's own". This just makes me think some people should never carry a gun that doesn't have a manual safety and the safety should always be engaged and they should never carry with a round chambered.
I appreciate the post - I know people that love them as well - including g my nephew that just got home from serving in the 11th Air Born in AK.Apologies in advance for the luckyduck length post.
Yeah, some of the videos make me a little paranoid but then I think if any 320 should ND/UD/AD it should be mine.
I've posted this before but the pic below is how I usually carry it in a Bianchi Foldaway under an untucked shirt that loves to try to wrap itself around the gun every time I holster it. Difference is my shirt is usually buttoned up all the way and my six pack abs look more like 40's than Coors.
I bought it not long after they came out, never sent it back for the fix, installed an APEX curved trigger kit and been carrying it nearly every day since, roughly 10 years.
The Foldaway even straddles a belt loop to keep the rig from drifting forward or backward as I putter around wherever I'm going which means there's a belt loop twerking in the trigger guard all day every day.
I ended up rounding off the picatinny rail because it kept hanging up on the Foldaway/beltloop/jeans/whatever which made me drop it a couple times but it didn't bark on it's own in any of those instances.
When I visit gun free zones like the office I slam it into the paddle holster that came with it and toss (literally toss/drop) it into the console safe in the truck with spare mags and whatever else is in there. Sometimes it rides home in the console safe, rattling, knocking, clinking and clanking all the way home.
When I get home I put it in a $15 kydex IWB that doesn't fit it very well, so has been relegated to storage duty, then it gets dropped on the granite counter. Sometimes hard enough to make a noise loud enough for my wife tobitch aboutpolitely point it out.
There is no denying the drop test failures or the guy discharging one by beating the crap out of one with a mallet and I absolutely believe it will discharge under the right kind of abuse.
So, yeah, some of the videos make me a little paranoid but if mine hasn't gone off the way I treat it then it makes me think the people who have had "accidents" must be even more shit at discipline and gunsmithing than me.
Plus, there's the Elite SWAT team member whose holsterd Glock severed three arteries "all on it's own". This just makes me think some people should never carry a gun that doesn't have a manual safety and the safety should always be engaged and they should never carry with a round chambered.
Yeah I’ve heard of other “just went bang “ stories with other platforms as well .
Even seen in person live a Remington 700 fire while being manually unloaded .
The three schools of thought I’ve seen repeatedly as to the 320/m18-19 firing are as we discussed above - out of spec parts from India - faulty/ incompatible FCUs across platforms and the position of the striker paired with a fairly light trigger .
That’s a trifecta that makes me hesitant- 3 possible reasons or any combination of those three reasons that could make it go bang when it should not .
I’m not saying 320 is a death trap - probably a fine pistol just with the other choices available it’ll be a good while before I carry one apendx.
And I’ve seen nothing about the metal frames guns having any problems- the Legion I think . My friend and local gun store owner loves his .
O and my other hesitation is Cohen or whomever is Sig USA ceo- remember well the shady shit he did at Kimber .
If I can put a factory part in my pistol that’ll fit with no modifications especially a FCU that can cause a discharge I’ll pass . Just to many other options .
Now here is your chance to flame me - I’m a fairly recent - 5-6 year Glock convert from a strictly 1911 guy .
I’ve bought several PSA Daggers and Micro Daggers in the last 2 years some are still stock and some I’ve dumped mostly Glock parts or even Gucci parts into and I really like them- are the the same level as a Glock or S&W - nope but they kinda hit a bang for the buck sweet spot and I use them in idpa and uspsa and one lives full time on the tractor and with all the rounds and parts swapping - kinda use them as proof of concept pistols I’ve found no combination of parts that makes them fire uncommanded. Just returning the honesty and transparency that you showed above .
Slight correction, but the p320 X5 Legion is still a polymer frame, it just has a tungsten bar infused in the grip. There's even some speculation that the polymer is different, harder and more brittle, than the standard p320, polymer. There are rumors that that is why the OOB detonations on Legions are more frequent and cause so much damage to the frame.
And, the Legion does, potentially, have UD issues as well. The recent UD at Achilles Heel Tactical was a Legion, there are others as well.
There may be less UDs with Legions, and if so, I would bet it's because they simply are not carried as much as regular P320s. The Legion is a heavy and bulky firearm, about 42oz unloaded. No one is really carrying one outside of competition.
FWIW my gamer Legion has had 1 malfunction in around 10k rounds. Bone stock except for a Armory Craft trigger I added in the last 800 rounds. I have a Sig Armorer sport disconnector but have not yet installed it.I’d forgotten that the super duper gamer legion was plagued by Ka- booms .
Also not a confidence booster.
I’ll have to rewrite my Duck length Post now thanks a lot
According to the manual I should replace the recoil spring. Now if I actually will remains to be seen.
Love is a strong word. More of a preference.
I carried cocked and locked pistols, revolvers, DA/SA and various forms of DAO until finally striker fired.
I prefer no manual safety, no DA or DAO and no trigger pull or similar shenanigans for disassembly. Narrows the field down quite a bit.
I really don't care if it's Sig or not. Just landed on Sig in the carry size because it seemed to fit my medium sized paw better than most other brands or compacts or subcompacts and was slightly more concealable than full size options.
I generally don't flame people over gun choices unless it's for fun.
I carried a couple KelTecs for a while before the major players started recognizing value in lighter more concealable builds. Took me weeks and multiple range trips to get them to a level of reliability where I thought I could count on them. My view is if it goes bang when you want and you're comfortable carrying it then mo powa tu ya ... MURICAH BABEEE!!
Rem 700 did have a trigger safety issue. I replaced mine with a Timney.
TXG frames are molded from tungsten infused polymer. The weight in the rear of the frame is removable.
ArmoryCraft make an all steel CNC'ed grip module, even has replaceable stocks, unlike the factory Legion frame. They got the weight to almost exactly the same as the factory frame. Right now they are $549.
I've been heavily debating picking one up, but at what point is it good money after bad.
When you spend $600 to turn a $500 pistol into a nicer pistol, the issue becomes very quickly, why not just get a better pistol to start with?
Walther makes a lovely steel frame striker fired pistol
CZ has a nice hammer fired line
It is nice when you can turn a P320 into something special, but it's also something you'll never get your money back on.
Hey now, it's a Legion! I spent $1000 on it. And actually $600 doesn't quite get you there, that's the bare frame. You need stocks and other odds and ends to complete it. Then you may as well add a KKM barrel that has full support (+$200), a tungsten guide rod (+$100), trigger (+$90) and you're at....about $2k.
At that point, the semi-auto options are plenty. For $550 I could get a Girsan Hi-Power clone with a rail and bolt shit onto it. Or an H&K USP ready to run until the heat death of the universe. Or a Walther PDP. Or....
I just bought a S&W 627-5 PC that I plan to hotrod a bit if I like wheel guns.
Do you work in software sales????
You mean the P40?
ETA: Interestingly enough this movie was made in 1999.
Goes to show craftsmen have been blaming the tool since the caveman killed his first saber-toothed squirrel with a chipped rock.
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