Senate votes to kill FCC's broadband privacy rules
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"The Senate's 50-48 vote Thursday on a resolution of disapproval would roll back Federal Communications Commission rules requiring broadband providers to receive opt-in customer permission to share sensitive personal information, including web-browsing history, geolocation, and financial details with third parties. The FCC approved the regulations just five months ago."
Good riddance to the last five months of democrat overspending at the FCC.. None of the things listed there are sensitive personal data.
"The Senate's 50-48 vote Thursday on a resolution of disapproval would roll back Federal Communications Commission rules requiring broadband providers to receive opt-in customer permission to share sensitive personal information, including web-browsing history, geolocation, and financial details with third parties. The FCC approved the regulations just five months ago."
Good riddance to the last five months of democrat overspending at the FCC.. None of the things listed there are sensitive personal data.
The dems don't give two fucks about privacy, Obama's FBI proved that when they ordered Apple to input a backdoor into iOS only to be sued by Apple as a result. And the dem backing monsters Google and Facebook are FAR worse at tracking and selling your data than all the ISPs on their worst day combined.
For the rest of it though, three little letters: V P N.
For the rest of it though, three little letters: V P N.
WTF does that have to do with the issue at hand? The vast majority of the government couldn't give a lesser shit about our privacy. Does the fact that .gov wants our info mean we should let the ISPs save it and sell it? Does it not occur to you that under this scheme the .gov can just buy it from the ISPs, instead of jumping through all the legal hoops to collect it in secret?
Google and facebook provide a service that is paid for by collecting and selling their user data. Conversely, we pay an ISP for access to the internet. I somehow doubt that this new revenue stream will offset the costs of that access for the consumer. Under this system, we will be paying them to collect and disseminate our data. Additionally, the type of data an ISP has access to is far more personal and wider reaching than anything Google and facebook have access to. An ISP can see exactly what info is being sent from or to your network. ISPs can read the packet contents, all google can see is what sites you visit and possibly form info.
Also, google and facebook are optional services you can avoid using. Tracking can be disabled in many browsers with an option or add-on. For the majority of Americans (esp. non-rural), using an ISP is not optional, as internet access is not optional. Hell, many employers wont even take a paper resume/application. Email, banking, government services, even my company is forced to file its taxes electronically.
I'm aware and use PIA. But should the average user be forced to purchase an additional service, to prevent a service provider they are already paying from collecting and selling their personal data?
Let me see if I understand your position.
Government collecting your data and keeping it to themselves for whatever purpose = bad
Private company collecting your data and selling it to god knows who, without a cent of compensation to you for providing the data = meh, what's the worst that could happen?
That about how you see it?
Sorry, I guess I take my privacy more seriously than you do yours.
Sure, because what you're looking at, where you are/have been, and how much money you have and where you have it is info that couldn't possibly be used to totally fuck up your life. What world are you living in?
No-one fucked up my life before the last five months these regulations were in place. Come to think of it my internet rate went up in the last five months though.
I'm quite privacy conscious and run Apple products because of that, but obviously with my existence here on the Hide I'm not all that worried about it. I've bought and sold plenty here, all those people have my name and address. Lots of others here know me personally either from my Marine Corps days or from shooting matches with me. I use Facebook, Twitter, Google Chrome (with the opt-out add-ons), and even still have a Yahoo account active despite them leaking data like a sieve. My user name is fairly unique and have been using it for decades, and anyone can find out a fair bit about me just by searching it. Do the same for yours, you'll see what I mean. Really don't care about all that though. And no, my VPN isn't even active at the moment, I typically save that for when I'm overseas because I kind of like the location services getting me better search results when I'm in town.
If I was really concerned, I would be using burner accounts through TOR (free for anyone and better than a standard VPN), I would have all cookies off, and I wouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place. I would have a basic flip phone on a burner SIM card and would rotate it quarterly as well. I also wouldn't use the discount card at the grocery store or have a membership to the gym so they can track how often I do (or lately, don't, I've been meaning to get back to the pool...) work out. The types of information gathering I choose to participate in are to my own benefit, and I've filled out dozens of opt-outs to nix those I do not care to participate in as well.
So no, I'm not all that concerned with my privacy to that degree, and my ISP can feel free to sell my browsing data all it wants because AB+ nixes 98% of that shit anyhow. What I do give a shit about is how much the ISPs charge in the first place, that I'm limited with selection for a broadband connection to one whole option that has data rates above 5 Mb/s, yet it's regulations such as this that prevents competition in the marketplace. So I want to see competition, I would love to see the furthering of fiber connectivity, but companies are unwilling to invest in the infrastructure without the potential of future profits. Placing further restrictions on them only serves to drive costs up, because the shareholders are still going to want profitability from their companies and they're going to get it or walk.
On top of it all though, this is about overregulation. I have a serious issue with a federal agency board of five partisan but unelected officials placing this type of regulation on the industry as a whole in the first place. This is a decision for law makers, not lower level regulators, and should have more-so been mandated in a plain language opt-out versus an opt-in to make it level ground with the other hugely common internet services. The overreaching of all the federal agencies has been rampant for decades and needs to be reeled back significantly.
Finally, if the government really gave a shit about entities selling personal information, they would stop doing it themselves. The states' DMVs selling personal information to advertisers is a billion dollar industry, one also virtually nobody can get by without a state issued ID or driver's license. That's only one of many including the SSA, voter registration, and probably if we dig deep enough, the FCC themselves do the same.
If I was really concerned, I would be using burner accounts through TOR (free for anyone and better than a standard VPN), I would have all cookies off, and I wouldn't even be having this conversation in the first place. I would have a basic flip phone on a burner SIM card and would rotate it quarterly as well. I also wouldn't use the discount card at the grocery store or have a membership to the gym so they can track how often I do (or lately, don't, I've been meaning to get back to the pool...) work out. The types of information gathering I choose to participate in are to my own benefit, and I've filled out dozens of opt-outs to nix those I do not care to participate in as well.
So no, I'm not all that concerned with my privacy to that degree, and my ISP can feel free to sell my browsing data all it wants because AB+ nixes 98% of that shit anyhow. What I do give a shit about is how much the ISPs charge in the first place, that I'm limited with selection for a broadband connection to one whole option that has data rates above 5 Mb/s, yet it's regulations such as this that prevents competition in the marketplace. So I want to see competition, I would love to see the furthering of fiber connectivity, but companies are unwilling to invest in the infrastructure without the potential of future profits. Placing further restrictions on them only serves to drive costs up, because the shareholders are still going to want profitability from their companies and they're going to get it or walk.
On top of it all though, this is about overregulation. I have a serious issue with a federal agency board of five partisan but unelected officials placing this type of regulation on the industry as a whole in the first place. This is a decision for law makers, not lower level regulators, and should have more-so been mandated in a plain language opt-out versus an opt-in to make it level ground with the other hugely common internet services. The overreaching of all the federal agencies has been rampant for decades and needs to be reeled back significantly.
Finally, if the government really gave a shit about entities selling personal information, they would stop doing it themselves. The states' DMVs selling personal information to advertisers is a billion dollar industry, one also virtually nobody can get by without a state issued ID or driver's license. That's only one of many including the SSA, voter registration, and probably if we dig deep enough, the FCC themselves do the same.
They had the "NSA KEY" installed on PC's assembled in US back in the 90's. I know, I put it on there, along with whatever shit program MS ran back then. When it became an issue, they said, "oh, it's just for export computers" but it went on all of them. Then they said it was only active if on an overseas network, which of course is bullshit. Then Clinton spooged on this girl and everyone forgot about it.
The internet was designed by mathematicians paid by the government to coax you out of those pesky civil and constitutional rights that get in the way of "bipartisan" orgies of corruption. It's a form of communication governed by the very thing most of you people want most to NOT learn --mathematics. So don't be surprised when this economy fails due to it's own undermining and stupidity and corruption and greed. It's axiomatic and it will happen, you are already one entire generation behind, so only question is by which design?
When American football governs commerce, then we'll be on top. We've got everyone outspent there. They considered closing the math library at UW at the same time they were considering paying a new coach or manager or whatever the fuck, he's not important to shit, far more than a tenured math professor. Not to mention we shared the oldest, smallest building with women's studies and English as a foreign language, and not to mention we were on cutting edge math, well, for America anyhow --we had SAGE to work on, open source MATHEMATICA. Who do we need more, mathematicians or goddamn football shit? Seriously? One is a pastime, one is the language for how the universe is wired; you tell me what's more important to finance.
You gotta give it to American Propaganda though, they really, REALLY know how to sell shit, even if it bites them in their own ass in the end. And people still shovel it up like fucking Malty Meal.
Maybe it's time to sign off, download TOR and go back to the old days of the internet. At least with TOR all they know is you went there.
I don't want propaganda personally tailored for me. What I do want is a democracy that stops greedy corporate fucks from infiltrating our government at the highest levels and implementing their goddamn boardroom ideas at a national level.
I guess at this point I just want 'em to hurry the fuck up and run out of my money so I can turn to a new way.
I don't want propaganda personally tailored for me. What I do want is a democracy that stops greedy corporate fucks from infiltrating our government at the highest levels and implementing their goddamn boardroom ideas at a national level.
I guess at this point I just want 'em to hurry the fuck up and run out of my money so I can turn to a new way.
The only casual privacy on line today is disinformation and confusion...leave enough bullshit and false positives to hide in the clutter...even then, if the desire is great enough, there are very few places/ways to hide and require skills beyond the average keyboard monkey...
Why don't you tell me. How much money that college makes from football and how much it makes from math. It capitalism, but you think fuck the 70k fans that pack the stadium and millions more watching at home vs the people that only take math because it is required for their degree because thats what I want. I learned one thing after college. All the Trigonometry and geometry I took was useless. Have never used again, unless I was helping someone else with their Trig homework. Most real problems can be solved without knowing the math behind it. I thought most of the liberal dill hole professors I met were the ones that needed pay cuts. At least the coach is providing a service.
If paying a bunch of lazy ass math professors to do nothing was important in the grander scheme. I am sure someone would provide funds. Math once proved how the the sun and planets revolved around earth. Math is just like propaganda. It can give truth and bullshit.
LOL, and that rant was brought to your computer or phone by the mathematics that is the entire basis of the digital world, as well as on a long range shooting forum that is completely based upon refining and perfecting our predictions of the physics required to put a little round into a little target from a long ways away.
But it's March Madness time, so fuck math...
But it's March Madness time, so fuck math...
The simple truth is that they are undoing a thing that never got done. It wasn't even in effect yet. Status quo achieved.
While it is true that the regulations are not yet in effect; what is truly undone with the passage of this resolution, is years of work by privacy advocates and concerned citizens.
BTW, it would be in effect now if the new fcc hadn't blocked it.
BTW, it would be in effect now if the new fcc hadn't blocked it.
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