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Sidearms & Scatterguns Glocks Work. Period. End of Story.
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No, the 1911, unlike the Glock has excellent ergonomics, an excellent trigger and is a good looking gun as well. It also features the tilting barrel design invented by Browning. he didn't have to steal it from someone else, unlike Glock.
There are also many examples of excellent firearms issued by the military, but the Glock isn't one of them.
I hate Glocks because the company is racist.
Who names a product in such a way that no one in Asia can pronounce it?
"Sir I wood rike to see the Grock, prease...."
Thats fucked up.
Who names a product in such a way that no one in Asia can pronounce it?
"Sir I wood rike to see the Grock, prease...."
Thats fucked up.
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so if the 1911 was so perfect.....why was JMBs final design a high capacity double stack 9mm?
youd think a "master" designer like JMB would have at least gotten the grip angle correct.......figures it would take an austrian to fix that.
What you are posting is also far off the OP topic.
To address the OP. Glock needs no innovation, they won that race years ago. (Got the tallest midget award.)
The resorting to name calling is a sure sign of losing and argument and being irrational.
You are doing that over and over. You should quit while you are WAYYY behind.
BTW, I am not "bitching about a gun" due to its plastic. I have many favorable comments about the Glock line. I bitch about nothing. I am simply laughing about folks who get irrational and name call about a cheap bullet launcher built of plastic. Keep it up on second thought, I need the laughs.
To address the OP. Glock needs no innovation, they won that race years ago. (Got the tallest midget award.)
The resorting to name calling is a sure sign of losing and argument and being irrational.
You are doing that over and over. You should quit while you are WAYYY behind.
BTW, I am not "bitching about a gun" due to its plastic. I have many favorable comments about the Glock line. I bitch about nothing. I am simply laughing about folks who get irrational and name call about a cheap bullet launcher built of plastic. Keep it up on second thought, I need the laughs.
The grip angle on a 1911 is perfect. At least it is for those that like to hit the target.
Please show me where I said the gun itself was perfect?
How many actual operating systems has Gaston invented?
I have a perfect T-Series HP-35 I shoot. When I look at my Gen 1 G17, in one hand and the HP-35 in the other...the lineage is unmistakable. Old Gastin copied a ton. When you field strip it becomes even more uncanny. Why reinvent the wheel? Just don’t go around saying you invented the wheel...
Plastic, and so few parts by going striker (an 1800s design that was abandoned because DA). Really, putting it all together WAS genius.
Plastic, and so few parts by going striker (an 1800s design that was abandoned because DA). Really, putting it all together WAS genius.
What I find "hilarious" are those who get all emotional about hunks of iron and wood. The FUDD factor really reveals itself whenever Glocks are discussed.
They are all just tools.
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the wright brothers invented the airplane.......doesnt mean their design is better than a 747
youre just mad because Gaston is the father you wish you had growing up.....and his wife is super hot.......and hes a millionaire.
old wife on the left.....new wife on the right.
he upgraded from the old haggard 1911 to the hot new G19
dudes even got a leather jacket and aviators........JMB wore tweed......need i say more?
No, the design isn't better than the 747, and it is no longer in use.
Unlike the tilting barrel design invented by JMB, and stolen by fermented cabbage eating window lickers that don't have the expertise or intelligence to invent their own.
REPORTED and TRIGGERED.
Glock finally has embraced diversity in its latest offerings, first they released a brown one, now a black/white. Ebony and ivory, together in perfect harmony.
Hah!!
Both, I guess.
I love how the FUDDs always jump into every conversation about Glocks and start getting all hot and bothered about Grandpa's 1911 that he killed 1,000 NAZIS with while floating down from his chute, dropped behind enemy lines on D-Day.
So, why are you defending a tool? Do you get on the 'net and defend you hammer or shovel? Your lugnuts? That is the humor. I would laugh at you just as much if you defended your high quality plastic straw from McDonalds. Glock fanboys are just a joke, fun to watch.
Keep it up.
No idea what a FUDD factor is but you sure like to bring it up. Must be from the fumes of the plastic cooking off.
If you would, you know, actually read the OP you might understand what is supposed to be the point of the thread. I was addressing a commonly heard criticism of Glock by Glock users...that they do not "innovate"enough. I'm not defending a Glock, it doesn't need any defending. Why? Because it just works. You are the guy, among others, who have managed to get your panties in a wad and have resorted to idiotic assertions. And that is pure FUDD. Congrats.
I use these cheap plastic Grimlock carabiners.
I realize that many higher quality aluminum, titanium and steel ones are made. These are simply light, strong and do the job.
I am in no way motivated to begin name calling and foaming at the mouth over them. They just do what I require of them. 1.00 each, plus shipping. If you buy 40 they throw in a glock.
I realize that many higher quality aluminum, titanium and steel ones are made. These are simply light, strong and do the job.
I am in no way motivated to begin name calling and foaming at the mouth over them. They just do what I require of them. 1.00 each, plus shipping. If you buy 40 they throw in a glock.
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did your parents not love you enough as a child..so now the only way you can get attention is by acting autistic on the internet?
This thread is entertaining but is getting a little wild. Consider this. There are units in the United States Military that are arguably the most highly trained, well funded, experienced and professional military units in modern times and possibly the history of the world. Money is no object for these organizations. If pistol manufactured by company "X" was the most superior handgun on the planet that is what these organizations would use....period. Hi point to Wilson Combat and everything in between.
What do they shoot? They shoot Glocks. Why is that?
Years of testing, experience, failures, successes etc have shown that the Glock platform is the most superior handgun on the planet. That doesn't mean that others aren't great. They are. They simply don't have the track record at this point in time. Keep in mind money has no bearing on this reality. It doesn't matter what you spend. If a pistol that cost 10K was better than that's what they would use. They don't, they use Glocks.
What do they shoot? They shoot Glocks. Why is that?
Years of testing, experience, failures, successes etc have shown that the Glock platform is the most superior handgun on the planet. That doesn't mean that others aren't great. They are. They simply don't have the track record at this point in time. Keep in mind money has no bearing on this reality. It doesn't matter what you spend. If a pistol that cost 10K was better than that's what they would use. They don't, they use Glocks.
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For you.
In your opinion.
You must have missed this list:
Actually, you just confirmed exactly what I said.
I CLEARLY stated two things:
1). The Glock is not general issue by ANY major world power.
2). There are many excellent firearms that are general issue, the Glock isn't one, because it is not an excellent firearm.
I've got a Colt 1904 pocket hammerless that was manufactured in 1920.
When I show it to folks, they say stuff like "that is a beautiful gun", or "man, that's nice". No one in the history of the world has EVER said that about a Glock.
My pocket hammerless is over 98 years old is still a beautiful gun that is a joy to shoot.
Of course, being a joy to shoot is another thing that no one in the history of the world has ever said about shooting a glock.
You are aware that "Hammerless" is false advertizing?
It was just an early engineering means to avoid "Glock Leg" before there was "Glock Leg".
JMB genius!
The critics of the Glock uniformly question the merits of the inanimate object and in my case at least freely give it credit where credit is due. The Glock supporters attack the people and name call. This is excellent strategy when you don't have facts to support your position.
You guys are fun to watch. Keep it up. Of course I liked watching the kid on the playground kicking and screaming when called out at home plate as well.
You guys are fun to watch. Keep it up. Of course I liked watching the kid on the playground kicking and screaming when called out at home plate as well.
When I started in LE I started with a G21, first gun I ever bought, still have it. I don't believe I ever had a jam. However, we had (at the time) a long list of approved firearms. So I went searching for what had a better trigger and what I shot better.
Bought a Sig 220R, never jammed, DA/SA trigger left something to be desired. Bought and had a Colt 1911 tuned up. Still the most accurate weapon I have with the best trigger. I think I had three jams in a couple thousand rounds and two weren't the guns fault. Low powered ammo and a botched draw caused two of the three I remember.
Tried a SW M&P 9mm, had a great trigger job. Never could shoot it worth a damn, though. Bought and tuned up a Springfield XDM in 9mm. That thing shoots great, zero malfunctions. In my opinion the best striker fired trigger in terms of feel without messing with reliability.
End of the day? I'm carrying a G19 at work and at home because it's the right size for both. Plus, nowadays you can tune them up every which way. I think the Springfield still has the better trigger but it's too big for off duty carry and frankly, their mag springs suck. They wear out way too quickly and the gun will fail to lock open on empty.
The GLOCK trigger still isn't what I'd like it to be but with an agency trigger and some zev parts it'll do and I can carry the same gun everywhere. That's a plus.
Bought a Sig 220R, never jammed, DA/SA trigger left something to be desired. Bought and had a Colt 1911 tuned up. Still the most accurate weapon I have with the best trigger. I think I had three jams in a couple thousand rounds and two weren't the guns fault. Low powered ammo and a botched draw caused two of the three I remember.
Tried a SW M&P 9mm, had a great trigger job. Never could shoot it worth a damn, though. Bought and tuned up a Springfield XDM in 9mm. That thing shoots great, zero malfunctions. In my opinion the best striker fired trigger in terms of feel without messing with reliability.
End of the day? I'm carrying a G19 at work and at home because it's the right size for both. Plus, nowadays you can tune them up every which way. I think the Springfield still has the better trigger but it's too big for off duty carry and frankly, their mag springs suck. They wear out way too quickly and the gun will fail to lock open on empty.
The GLOCK trigger still isn't what I'd like it to be but with an agency trigger and some zev parts it'll do and I can carry the same gun everywhere. That's a plus.
Yes, I know it is not hammerless.
It is a factory nickel finish gun, and it is a very nice carry piece.
I get a kick out of these threads.
I love to feed the animals.
Glock fanboys and 1911 fanboys are two sides of the same coin.
I don't care for glocks because I hate the ergos and literally can not stand the way they feel in my hand.
I used to recommend them all the time to folks that I knew would only care that it went bang when you pulled the trigger.
There are plenty of polymer framed pistols that are reliable, accurate and well priced now.
"I don't care for glocks because I hate the ergos and literally can not stand the way they feel in my hand."
And others prefer the "ergos" and how they feel in their hands. This is purely a matter of personal taste.
That's not the point of the OP, but ... hey....far be it from me to stop the Glock-bash. I too kind of enjoy how offtrack this has become. And I get a big kick out of the dudes getting all emotional over their 98 year old pocket pistols and Grandaddy's 1911.
And others prefer the "ergos" and how they feel in their hands. This is purely a matter of personal taste.
That's not the point of the OP, but ... hey....far be it from me to stop the Glock-bash. I too kind of enjoy how offtrack this has become. And I get a big kick out of the dudes getting all emotional over their 98 year old pocket pistols and Grandaddy's 1911.
A department firearms trainer once told me this.
"The folks who show up with most pistols are striving for the best score they can achieve. Competing with friends for a better score etc, the ones who show up with Glocks are hoping to qualify and meet the minimum score.
"The folks who show up with most pistols are striving for the best score they can achieve. Competing with friends for a better score etc, the ones who show up with Glocks are hoping to qualify and meet the minimum score.
And yet, you can't let it go."I don't care for glocks because I hate the ergos and literally can not stand the way they feel in my hand."
And others prefer the "ergos" and how they feel in their hands. This is purely a matter of personal taste.
That's not the point of the OP, but ... hey....far be it from me to stop the Glock-bash. I too kind of enjoy how offtrack this has become. And I get a big kick out of the dudes getting all emotional over their 98 year old pocket pistols and Grandaddy's 1911.
"And I get a big kick out of the dudes getting all emotional over their 98 year old pocket pistols and Grandaddy's 1911."
Not sure if you are referring to me or not. I am certainly not emotional. I am amused. Have not resorted to childish name calling or any other action that would point to mental derangement. I utilize various tools for various jobs. I do not care at all what you think of them any more that I care what you think about anything else. It is all just a fun show to watch... like the kid kicking and screaming at home plate.
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Not sure if you are referring to me or not. I am certainly not emotional. I am amused. Have not resorted to childish name calling or any other action that would point to mental derangement. I utilize various tools for various jobs. I do not care at all what you think of them any more that I care what you think about anything else. It is all just a fun show to watch... like the kid kicking and screaming at home plate.
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Which is my primary reason for not going with Glock or other similar striker fired pistols (Like the HK VP9/VP40 or some of the newer SIG modular stuff).
Dude...read the OP. You are responding to a topic I am not discussing. But whatever. Rant on all you want. It is entertaining.
Okay I am going to put my 2 cents in and try to get this thread back on the right track:
First off, we gunnies have a hobby, lifestyles and possibly careers based on a certain functional physical object. It is a tool. It gets the job done. It may save your life or the life of a loved one some day. I have seen PLENTY of examples of snobbery when it comes to guns, the denizens of 4Chan being the worst suspects.
But gun snobs are getting ONE thing wrong...Letting closed mindedness take over and all rationality flying out the window. I am a 1911 and wheelgun fan by default. I exhort their designs and workmanship as well as historical significance and sometimes I can get a little carried away when talking about them. However, I am not going to close my senses out to the multitude of other gun designs out there, most of which have made their own impacts on history and society. I have congratulated Sig owners when they posted pictures of their new acquisitions. I have shared the same enthusiasm with AR guys after they finish a successful build. Same with Glock folks, Smith & Wesson folks and Beretta folks. Never would I say "Oh the design of the whatever is better than yours ahaha". Doing so would be counteracting the whole base purpose of being a gun enthusiast. The bottom line is, THE PRODUCTS WORK. That is the most important. The weapons that we see displayed on racks at our favorite gun stores have been engineered, proof-tested, and patented over many steps and cycles to ensure that when the trigger is pulled, it is going to do it's job and send the bullet downrange where it is supposed to go.
Of course, one part of me thinks to put my favorite design on a pedestal and advertise it too. It is a matter of personal opinion and pride. That is why I do builds. I got my Pietta 1858 revolver and the Kirst .45 LC conversion cylinder as two separate items. I machined out a loading channel in the recoil shield and fitted the cylinder all by hand and hand tools. I got .22 LR conversion kits for both the wheelgun and the 1911. In the future I might even build an AR from a receiver blank. Now THAT will be something any handyman would be proud to build.
And this is where we come to the topic of whether some guns "have a soul" or not. If an armed prison escapee is breaking into your house now with the intent of killing you and raping your beloved partner, and all you have is a Glock 17 sitting on the table, you are SURE AS HELL going to pick up that Glock and blast the scumbag twice through the chest and once through the head. That Glock just saved your life, and the lives of your loved ones too. Tell me you aren't going to see this pistol from then on as a most treasured item. No matter what beautiful, traditional blends of wood and steel you are going to see at a gun store in the future, nothing will be as important to you as that Glock that saved your life. Now that is SOUL right there.
We live in a relatively stable country in terms of crime and politics. That is why we have the privilege to pick and choose, and for the worst among us, shit all over other peoples' choices. If we are living in Eastern Europe during the Nazi occupation, I am 100% CERTAIN that no partisan fighter among us would be saying: "Damn that Nagant revolver looks faggy"..."A Martini Henry??? Hell no, I ain't getting caught dead with that clunker...or "Those who shoot straight-pulls are old farts who know nothing about innovation"...................You are going to take whatever FUNCTIONAL weapons you have on hand and use them to KILL Nazi fuckers so you can get your hands on shiny new Mausers and MP-40's.
GLOCK is one of those firearm designer/manufacturers who changed the face of small arms design by offering a budget priced, reliable and EFFECTIVE defensive weapon that the working class citizens of many countries can afford. They are also relatively simple in design, allowing ease of cleaning, repairs and parts replacement. If it didn't work, this product will not have been still selling. It would have gone the way of the GYROJET and the DARDICK. Now I, myself is a TRAD fan who totally believes that guns should be made of nothing but wood and steel. BUT, I am also not blind to innovation. The reason why polymers and plastics have been implemented into so many firearm designs is because these materials are readily available, economical and still GET THE JOB DONE. Lets go back to the murderous predator breaking into your home in my earlier scenario.......Would it matter one bit whether you shoot him with a polymer/steel GLOCK or a wood/steel 1911? The result you want to achieve is the criminal being DEAD so he could not hurt you or your family any longer. Glocks or 1911's. They all have the same capability to get the job done, PROVIDING that the gun had always been kept in functioning condition and looked after.
PS....... @Skookum : Damn buddy, now THAT is a real post. Nice work you put into that list
First off, we gunnies have a hobby, lifestyles and possibly careers based on a certain functional physical object. It is a tool. It gets the job done. It may save your life or the life of a loved one some day. I have seen PLENTY of examples of snobbery when it comes to guns, the denizens of 4Chan being the worst suspects.
But gun snobs are getting ONE thing wrong...Letting closed mindedness take over and all rationality flying out the window. I am a 1911 and wheelgun fan by default. I exhort their designs and workmanship as well as historical significance and sometimes I can get a little carried away when talking about them. However, I am not going to close my senses out to the multitude of other gun designs out there, most of which have made their own impacts on history and society. I have congratulated Sig owners when they posted pictures of their new acquisitions. I have shared the same enthusiasm with AR guys after they finish a successful build. Same with Glock folks, Smith & Wesson folks and Beretta folks. Never would I say "Oh the design of the whatever is better than yours ahaha". Doing so would be counteracting the whole base purpose of being a gun enthusiast. The bottom line is, THE PRODUCTS WORK. That is the most important. The weapons that we see displayed on racks at our favorite gun stores have been engineered, proof-tested, and patented over many steps and cycles to ensure that when the trigger is pulled, it is going to do it's job and send the bullet downrange where it is supposed to go.
Of course, one part of me thinks to put my favorite design on a pedestal and advertise it too. It is a matter of personal opinion and pride. That is why I do builds. I got my Pietta 1858 revolver and the Kirst .45 LC conversion cylinder as two separate items. I machined out a loading channel in the recoil shield and fitted the cylinder all by hand and hand tools. I got .22 LR conversion kits for both the wheelgun and the 1911. In the future I might even build an AR from a receiver blank. Now THAT will be something any handyman would be proud to build.
And this is where we come to the topic of whether some guns "have a soul" or not. If an armed prison escapee is breaking into your house now with the intent of killing you and raping your beloved partner, and all you have is a Glock 17 sitting on the table, you are SURE AS HELL going to pick up that Glock and blast the scumbag twice through the chest and once through the head. That Glock just saved your life, and the lives of your loved ones too. Tell me you aren't going to see this pistol from then on as a most treasured item. No matter what beautiful, traditional blends of wood and steel you are going to see at a gun store in the future, nothing will be as important to you as that Glock that saved your life. Now that is SOUL right there.
We live in a relatively stable country in terms of crime and politics. That is why we have the privilege to pick and choose, and for the worst among us, shit all over other peoples' choices. If we are living in Eastern Europe during the Nazi occupation, I am 100% CERTAIN that no partisan fighter among us would be saying: "Damn that Nagant revolver looks faggy"..."A Martini Henry??? Hell no, I ain't getting caught dead with that clunker...or "Those who shoot straight-pulls are old farts who know nothing about innovation"...................You are going to take whatever FUNCTIONAL weapons you have on hand and use them to KILL Nazi fuckers so you can get your hands on shiny new Mausers and MP-40's.
GLOCK is one of those firearm designer/manufacturers who changed the face of small arms design by offering a budget priced, reliable and EFFECTIVE defensive weapon that the working class citizens of many countries can afford. They are also relatively simple in design, allowing ease of cleaning, repairs and parts replacement. If it didn't work, this product will not have been still selling. It would have gone the way of the GYROJET and the DARDICK. Now I, myself is a TRAD fan who totally believes that guns should be made of nothing but wood and steel. BUT, I am also not blind to innovation. The reason why polymers and plastics have been implemented into so many firearm designs is because these materials are readily available, economical and still GET THE JOB DONE. Lets go back to the murderous predator breaking into your home in my earlier scenario.......Would it matter one bit whether you shoot him with a polymer/steel GLOCK or a wood/steel 1911? The result you want to achieve is the criminal being DEAD so he could not hurt you or your family any longer. Glocks or 1911's. They all have the same capability to get the job done, PROVIDING that the gun had always been kept in functioning condition and looked after.
PS....... @Skookum : Damn buddy, now THAT is a real post. Nice work you put into that list
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Dam this thread went bad...I was just waiting for it !!!!!
It's kind of like this in my mind.....
I love the ergo's and shoot a 1911 the best(used to shoot single stack with it). If I had to shoot someone across a movie theater. My trusty wilson would want to make that shot. I'm pretty confident I could hit on the first round.
I have also been shooting the M&P 9mm, which has all aftermarket parts in it. I love the ergo's since it's the most 1911ish plastic gun...and yeah, it a tack driver also....but nothing stock in it.
I also last year finally bought a 2011 in 9mm. its a sweet shooter and tack driver as well. Love the gun.
I have a g19x for a truck gun or small no chance of being seen with the G42. While I detest the grip angle since I have shot the 1911 for so many years. I have problems being accurate with them. They are just not that comfortable to shoot. BUT I realize that we live in a glock world and it would behoove me to train with one. Would I want to take a shot across a room with one ??....NOPE, lets get a bit closer. This is my lesser ability with a glock and knowing my limitations.
IF something did happen and a guy with a glock got knocked out of a fight, I'm not going to say to myself "hey thats a glock, they suck ass" I want to be able to pick it up and continue the fight, while having some confidence on my actions. It took me many years to accept this. They are cheap enough to have a few in my inventory to train with. Since they are now ambi, me being a lefty is a non issue, and game changer.
It's kind of like this in my mind.....
I love the ergo's and shoot a 1911 the best(used to shoot single stack with it). If I had to shoot someone across a movie theater. My trusty wilson would want to make that shot. I'm pretty confident I could hit on the first round.
I have also been shooting the M&P 9mm, which has all aftermarket parts in it. I love the ergo's since it's the most 1911ish plastic gun...and yeah, it a tack driver also....but nothing stock in it.
I also last year finally bought a 2011 in 9mm. its a sweet shooter and tack driver as well. Love the gun.
I have a g19x for a truck gun or small no chance of being seen with the G42. While I detest the grip angle since I have shot the 1911 for so many years. I have problems being accurate with them. They are just not that comfortable to shoot. BUT I realize that we live in a glock world and it would behoove me to train with one. Would I want to take a shot across a room with one ??....NOPE, lets get a bit closer. This is my lesser ability with a glock and knowing my limitations.
IF something did happen and a guy with a glock got knocked out of a fight, I'm not going to say to myself "hey thats a glock, they suck ass" I want to be able to pick it up and continue the fight, while having some confidence on my actions. It took me many years to accept this. They are cheap enough to have a few in my inventory to train with. Since they are now ambi, me being a lefty is a non issue, and game changer.
Oh I am gonna try to steer this big ol' truck back onto the road and into the correct lane. Anybody who can lend a hand, help me out here!
@wilson1911 great post by the way. This thread has the potential to be VERY informative. Every day I encounter someone who is looking to acquire a reliable handgun for SD/HD and I want them to be able to see the good, the bad, and the ugly of every choice out there so they can make good decisions based on facts.
“Weapons should be hardy rather than decorative. “- miyamoto muahashi
Frankly I don’t care if my Glock “looks good”...it’s not a fucking watch.
It’s a tool for killing people.....and it’s very good at it.
I also don’t know why you keep going on about the “not an issued gun in any major military”......when you just said whether a gun is used by the military is irrevelant.
Tell me, what current major military issues the 1911?
I mean, the Brown Bess was standard military issue.... does that make it better than the “plastic” ar15?
1). Why do you keep harping on the 1911? My point was that the 1911 WAS combat proven by actually being in the two biggest wars in the history of the world, plus many smaller ones.
2). Other posters kept bringing up glock being military issue, my point, which somehow escapes your limited cognitive ability, was that no MAJOR military power issues the glock as general issue.
3). Again, your limited cognitive ability can not grasp the fact that I was just having fun with the retarded glock fanboys, even though I clearly stated in a post above that I was doing so, which is why fucking with Glock fanboys is so much fun. You're secretly embarrassed that you don't have a real gun and must defend your choice constantly.
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