When you are an Ideologue you will believe anything!
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Name one socialist in power who wasn't a corrupt criminal (at best!)... Commies simply aren't good people.
Socialism worked in...umm...well...somewhere...I guess...
The only Good Commie is a Dead Commie.
The only Good Commie is a Dead Commie.
Oooh.... I LOVE it when a liberal tries this "corruption" shit argument with me.
I grew up in Venezuela. Corruption has ALWAYS been a part of the Latin American culture / system. ALWAYS. And, in the democratic capitalist version of Venezuela... that corruption WORKED. It worked SO well, that Venezuela was the most prosperous nation in all of Latin America.
I know... I lived there.... when there was FOOD. Now there's no food.
They have the largest proven oil reserves IN THE WORLD. More than Saudi Arabia! They WERE the largest producer of low-cost aluminum IN THE WORLD (my father worked in that industry). There were one of the largest producers of steel in the world.
They have diamonds. They have gold. They have cheap hydroelectric power.
They can grow their own food in rich soil. They have fantastic tourist attractions.
Venezuela has every conceivably desirable natural resource a country could WISH for.
I love it when liberals vacuously regurgitate the talking points they've been fed... to someone who has PERSONAL experience.... whether it be Venezuela or guns.
It's a lot of fun handing their asses to them with actual facts and logic.
What ruined Venezuela was SOCIALISM.... just like socialism has failed in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY it's been tried in the entirety of history.
Having lived there in its heyday, it is INCONCEIVABLE to me that the people there are STARVING. Literally starving. What. The. FUCK? Socialism. That's the fuck.
I grew up in Venezuela. Corruption has ALWAYS been a part of the Latin American culture / system. ALWAYS. And, in the democratic capitalist version of Venezuela... that corruption WORKED. It worked SO well, that Venezuela was the most prosperous nation in all of Latin America.
I know... I lived there.... when there was FOOD. Now there's no food.
They have the largest proven oil reserves IN THE WORLD. More than Saudi Arabia! They WERE the largest producer of low-cost aluminum IN THE WORLD (my father worked in that industry). There were one of the largest producers of steel in the world.
They have diamonds. They have gold. They have cheap hydroelectric power.
They can grow their own food in rich soil. They have fantastic tourist attractions.
Venezuela has every conceivably desirable natural resource a country could WISH for.
I love it when liberals vacuously regurgitate the talking points they've been fed... to someone who has PERSONAL experience.... whether it be Venezuela or guns.
It's a lot of fun handing their asses to them with actual facts and logic. What ruined Venezuela was SOCIALISM.... just like socialism has failed in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY it's been tried in the entirety of history.
Having lived there in its heyday, it is INCONCEIVABLE to me that the people there are STARVING. Literally starving. What. The. FUCK? Socialism. That's the fuck.
Oooh.... I LOVE it when a liberal tries this "corruption" shit argument with me.
I grew up in Venezuela. Corruption has ALWAYS been a part of the Latin American culture / system. ALWAYS. And, in the democratic capitalist version of Venezuela... that corruption WORKED. It worked SO well, that Venezuela was the most prosperous nation in all of Latin America.
I know... I lived there.... when there was FOOD. Now there's no food.
They have the largest proven oil reserves IN THE WORLD. More than Saudi Arabia! They WERE the largest producer of low-cost aluminum IN THE WORLD (my father worked in that industry). There were one of the largest producers of steel in the world.
They have diamonds. They have gold. They have cheap hydroelectric power.
They can grow their own food in rich soil. They have fantastic tourist attractions.
Venezuela has every conceivably desirable natural resource a country could WISH for.
I love it when liberals vacuously regurgitate the talking points they've been fed... to someone who has PERSONAL experience.... whether it be Venezuela or guns.
What ruined Venezuela was SOCIALISM.... just like socialism has failed in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY it's been tried in the entirety of history.
Having lived there in its heyday, it is INCONCEIVABLE to me that the people there are STARVING. Literally starving. What. The. FUCK? Socialism. That's the fuck.
Every S. American country is rich in Natural resources.
They are also rife with racism, classicism and corrupt to the core.
Our foreign aid is reward for all this bad.
Not true about natural resources. Venezuela stands HEADS above the rest. And, it's concentrated in a relatively small country. There's a reason U.S. companies invested billions (1950s - 1970s) in steel, aluminum, and oil industries in Venezuela and not Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, etc.
But, yeah... Corruption? In spades!
But, it "worked" then, and it's CERTAINLY got NOTHING to do with Venezuela's death spiral now. That's all on socialism. When the gov't seized control of the major industries, fired all the management and replaced them with Chavez's friends... what could possibly go wrong? His friends knew NOTHING about how to run an aluminum plant... or an oil refinery... etc. Now those factories are literally rusting to shambles. Racism? I didn't see it during the 11 years I spent there. At the time, Venezuela had quite the international community. They've all since moved out... because... socialism (and their safety).
Not true about natural resources. Venezuela stands HEADS above the rest. And, it's concentrated in a relatively small country. There's a reason U.S. companies invested billions (1950s - 1970s) in steel, aluminum, and oil industries in Venezuela and not Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, etc.
But, yeah... Corruption? In spades!
Racism? I didn't see it during the 11 years I spent there. At the time, Venezuela had quite the international community. They've all since moved out... because... socialism (and their safety).
Brazil still doesnt know what it has.
They still have territories with stone age man living stone age lives. If they are lucky they will not be dragged in to the present.
Argentina has some of the best beef Ive had. They can farm a subsistence .
Peru is kind of screwed by the Andes but who knows what minerals could be their and if there are non tourism could flourish except for their narco/FARC problems.
You know better than I but i see them with more options than say Saudi Arabia for whom its oil or nothing.
Not true about natural resources. Venezuela stands HEADS above the rest. And, it's concentrated in a relatively small country. There's a reason U.S. companies invested billions (1950s - 1970s) in steel, aluminum, and oil industries in Venezuela and not Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, etc.
But, yeah... Corruption? In spades!
Racism? I didn't see it during the 11 years I spent there. At the time, Venezuela had quite the international community. They've all since moved out... because... socialism (and their safety).
Regards the racism.....I saw that in a Brazilian lass I dated.
Mexicans were "Fejuado"
She was mixed race but shit on anyone that was dark.
light skin castillian spanish seem to have license to kill any indigenous.
Add class into this and its toxic.
School is meant for only certain classes and types to my understanding.
Your class/type is allowed a certain level of education than thats it.
I see alot of what she struggled with and tried to escape by coming here, now coming here.
Yeah... Brazil has long had problems... of many kinds.
Another funny argument from the liberals about Venezuela is blaming the economic downfall on falling oil prices. Not true, of course. As you said... Saudi Arabia (and other middle-eastern countries) ONLY have oil. They've got oil... and SAND. That's it! They aren't starving, and they can't even grow their own food!
Venezuela has THE MOST oil... AND a shit-ton of OTHER valuable natural resources. But, yeah... lower oil prices caused their demise. No... wait... it was corruption. They can grow food, and they're starving.
Liberals haaaaate to admit that socialism is a failed system... in every case.
Probably the most eloquent thing Trump ever said was, "The problem with Venezuela, is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented."
The word retard is no longer allowed because somehow it was applied to other abled people in a demeaning way...
but in the case of socialists "retarded" used in its most perfect form is as fine an adjective as you can use to describe them for the reason that because every time Socialism fails they will argue the only reason it failed was that the failing country was not socialist enough.
Thats retarded.
That is how they also justify their killing sprees......purification of their socialism.
There is actually a place where socialism works quite well, and continues to work very well.
Everybody who is in there enjoys totally free meals, shelter and living space.
There are no weapons at all and everyone follows strict conduct rules that are heavily enforced.
There is no jealously, for all residents have limitations on what kind of possessions they can own and how much they can have.
And most of all, everyone enjoys a carefree environment free from the obligations of work, for the state takes care of all of your needs.
It is called prison.
Everybody who is in there enjoys totally free meals, shelter and living space.
There are no weapons at all and everyone follows strict conduct rules that are heavily enforced.
There is no jealously, for all residents have limitations on what kind of possessions they can own and how much they can have.
And most of all, everyone enjoys a carefree environment free from the obligations of work, for the state takes care of all of your needs.
It is called prison.
I quote this, simply because what you said is so pertinent, and done so eloquently, that I can't even begin to compare or compete. But it NEEDS to be known, far and wide.Oooh.... I LOVE it when a liberal tries this "corruption" shit argument with me.
I grew up in Venezuela. Corruption has ALWAYS been a part of the Latin American culture / system. ALWAYS. And, in the democratic capitalist version of Venezuela... that corruption WORKED. It worked SO well, that Venezuela was the most prosperous nation in all of Latin America.
I know... I lived there.... when there was FOOD. Now there's no food.
They have the largest proven oil reserves IN THE WORLD. More than Saudi Arabia! They WERE the largest producer of low-cost aluminum IN THE WORLD (my father worked in that industry). There were one of the largest producers of steel in the world.
They have diamonds. They have gold. They have cheap hydroelectric power.
They can grow their own food in rich soil. They have fantastic tourist attractions.
Venezuela has every conceivably desirable natural resource a country could WISH for.
I love it when liberals vacuously regurgitate the talking points they've been fed... to someone who has PERSONAL experience.... whether it be Venezuela or guns.
What ruined Venezuela was SOCIALISM.... just like socialism has failed in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY it's been tried in the entirety of history.
Having lived there in its heyday, it is INCONCEIVABLE to me that the people there are STARVING. Literally starving. What. The. FUCK? Socialism. That's the fuck.
And the rich ruling elite, they are the only ones that actually benefit from socialism.
Socialism has finite bounds in which it will work....
1. A homogeneous population historically in race, certainly in culture but more important in goals to attain.
2. A that culture must be in an existential distress of some sort.
3. The population is limited in size compared to the distress.
4. The culture must have a sense of shame.
Socialists point to the Mayflower compact or Sweden as ideals.
The puritans were small in number, all similar in religion and culture and faced attack from indians.
As soon as they secured their territories socialism quickly fell apart and people began to operate on Capitalism.
Sweden operates as a homogeneous culture, with a common religion and operated in the world as a neutral. There quasi socialism is now being stressed because of their self imposed fragmentation of their society. The new culture does not know shame and looks upon living on the arm as a right not a short term hand up. Swedens socialism is going to fail.
The Puritans' situation is very similar to the Israeli kibbutz system that was used shortly after the country's founding. From a technical perspective, it was just like a collective farm as was practiced in the USSR. However, the system was shelved as soon as Israel developed an economy and an armed force ready and able to protect it's land from the multiple predators circling it.
A country trying to recover from the desolation of warfare and strife implementing a temporary quasi-socialist agenda like the kibbutz is understandable. To continue it well into an era of peace and stability will lead to crisis in no time.
Just like a critically ill patient confined to a hospital bed, sedated, and intubated. These measures may be necessary in order for him to receive his medication and recover from the illness. However, if a healthy person is to be intubated and kept in bedrest, he will quickly deteriorate and die in no time.
Good point.
Historically, it fell apart due to unequal effort put forth in real work by the colonists. A few screwing off or finding reasons not to work pretty much always queers the deal. Only place that works is politicians.
Socialism ignores one major human trait, and is one of the main reasons why it will always fail.
People like to own things.
People like to own things.
As the power players assume/realize they're essentially are all powerful they abuse said
until the system crashes and the mass executions start.
The serfs figure out, to late, that it only works for the elites.
R
until the system crashes and the mass executions start.
The serfs figure out, to late, that it only works for the elites.
R
I find it comical that every leftist movie that comes out attempting to paint conservatives or Republicans as racist just skylines the leftist . Like the Purge .
The leftist , ultra rich Democrats would have us kill each other and are the party of racism .
The leftist , ultra rich Democrats would have us kill each other and are the party of racism .
And also, human beings like to receive honors, recognition and accolades for their own hard work and sacrifices.
When I worked retail in the past my biggest annoyance were employees who did not do shit, sat around and then got the same hours and raises as me and the other staff who bust our asses keeping everything running. And I do not hesitate to be vocal about it either. When I became store manager, I saw to it that if hours are to be cut, staff were to be laid off or transferred, or anything like that, the sitters and bullshitters would be sent downrange and hold the fuckin' targets, if ya know what I mean.
We already got a major problem now with our hard earned tax dollars being given to deadbeats, junkies and lyin' and thievin' street trash.
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You can vote your way into socialism, but the catch is that you have to shoot your way out.
The USA has been Socialist since the 1930s under the tyrant dictator warmonger FDR. More than half of our workers are working for the government or for government funded projects. If you make any serious money you pay over half your income in taxes or are taking deductions that employ other people who will work and fund the government. The rest of the economy is based around the need to supply these government workers with goods and services. If you sell bread or a car to a government worker who pays you in money you already paid the government in taxes it's a closed loop economy and everything is dependent on the government.
The government just prints 1 or 2% more money for distribution every year to keep the house of cards from collapsing.
The government can decide whether you have free speech or can defend yourself, what you can do with your property, and what profession you practice. If what you sell isn't to government standards or you don't pay their fees you get shut down and can lose your property. But for a perfunctory vote your children can be sent to fight a pointless war in a far off land. And if you dare to spank your child in public the government can take them away from you. All the while your children are indoctrinated in the government's approved narrative, which is persuasive throughout the media. They even provide a counter narrative for passive dissenters in the form of Fox News and the Republican party, who never really do anything and are merely five years behind the Democrats in policies.
Adults are sedated by beer, free porn, legal weed and football.
We're a socialist authoritarian state just like the People's Republic of China. We allow capitalism on a small scale but the big decisions are made by monopolies (Amazon, Google, Exxon) and the elites run the government (in fact the Commies have more turnover in their congress). China has one party and we have two parties acting in unison. The reasons why we're happier than the poor Chinese is we've always been a wealthy, growing country that's effectively ruled the world, our currency on top so we print as much as we like and everyone else has to follow. Plus we're not as crowded, we have millions of smart creative people and are blessed with natural resources.
Now we have a situation where the government is banging war drums to attack another sovereign state that has done nothing to harm any US citizens. Our media is hyping false flag incidents or exaggerating the threat. Meanwhile even recent history shows that if we do a regime change the lives of the people are still miserable as their countries problems and corruption still exist.
Gee what commonality do all our recent enemies have? Oil.... Could we be fighting to keep the price of oil low so our economy doesn't collapse? Or to keep the price low so Putin is punished? Could there be some secret motive not reported by our trustworthy media?
We should fight internally within America by burning the universities and Washington DC, overthrowing the government and bringing all of our troops home from overseas to protect our borders from invaders. At least then we'd be getting something for our money.
But we're not. Even the Trump revolution was tamped down by the state and we're just going to roll along here. We'll probably send an Army of immigrant non-citizens to Venezuela to blow some shit up for CNN. Then we'll allow a couple million Venezuelan's to move here and open Venezuelan restaurants and Jeff Bezos will rename dog meat as healthy vitamin-packed NutriCanine pellets good for achey joints and dementia.
We're f-ed. But rah rah lets go shoot some Socialists like it matters one iota. Stupid boomers will just call me an anti-Semite for complaining.
The government just prints 1 or 2% more money for distribution every year to keep the house of cards from collapsing.
The government can decide whether you have free speech or can defend yourself, what you can do with your property, and what profession you practice. If what you sell isn't to government standards or you don't pay their fees you get shut down and can lose your property. But for a perfunctory vote your children can be sent to fight a pointless war in a far off land. And if you dare to spank your child in public the government can take them away from you. All the while your children are indoctrinated in the government's approved narrative, which is persuasive throughout the media. They even provide a counter narrative for passive dissenters in the form of Fox News and the Republican party, who never really do anything and are merely five years behind the Democrats in policies.
Adults are sedated by beer, free porn, legal weed and football.
We're a socialist authoritarian state just like the People's Republic of China. We allow capitalism on a small scale but the big decisions are made by monopolies (Amazon, Google, Exxon) and the elites run the government (in fact the Commies have more turnover in their congress). China has one party and we have two parties acting in unison. The reasons why we're happier than the poor Chinese is we've always been a wealthy, growing country that's effectively ruled the world, our currency on top so we print as much as we like and everyone else has to follow. Plus we're not as crowded, we have millions of smart creative people and are blessed with natural resources.
Now we have a situation where the government is banging war drums to attack another sovereign state that has done nothing to harm any US citizens. Our media is hyping false flag incidents or exaggerating the threat. Meanwhile even recent history shows that if we do a regime change the lives of the people are still miserable as their countries problems and corruption still exist.
Gee what commonality do all our recent enemies have? Oil.... Could we be fighting to keep the price of oil low so our economy doesn't collapse? Or to keep the price low so Putin is punished? Could there be some secret motive not reported by our trustworthy media?
We should fight internally within America by burning the universities and Washington DC, overthrowing the government and bringing all of our troops home from overseas to protect our borders from invaders. At least then we'd be getting something for our money.
But we're not. Even the Trump revolution was tamped down by the state and we're just going to roll along here. We'll probably send an Army of immigrant non-citizens to Venezuela to blow some shit up for CNN. Then we'll allow a couple million Venezuelan's to move here and open Venezuelan restaurants and Jeff Bezos will rename dog meat as healthy vitamin-packed NutriCanine pellets good for achey joints and dementia.
We're f-ed. But rah rah lets go shoot some Socialists like it matters one iota. Stupid boomers will just call me an anti-Semite for complaining.
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There is some sense in what you say but the racial/anti semitic component drowns out the message.
I get it there are stereotypes or generalizations people may make.
Would you accept an ally from these groups you disparage if they believed for the most part as you do?
Do you see people as individuals or is every individual defined by your perception of the group you put them in?
There is no racial or anti-semite component to that little mini essay, only that last line where I said someone will call me an anti-semite for writing it. I guess if you take offense at being a boomer it's an insult but for goodness sake when people are so stupid that they believe Trump is actually building the wall and not cucking like a marshmallow then it's deserved.
But maybe you've decided I'm a hateful racist and anti-semite because of prior comments. For what it's worth, I do treat people as individuals and realize there are exceptions to every stereotype BUT that there are group differences and stereotypes are based on pattern observation and more often true than not.
Surely any LEO or veteran understands this even if they won't say it explicitly.
As far as my own anti-semitism, I don't think I am particularly... having been the recipient of several Yiddish blowjobs and having worked for numerous Jewish clients. But I did learn a few things along the way, as in Jews will side with and help Jews first and foremost unless there is an overwhelming reason not to. I don't have a problem with people helping their own group members, it's natural and I wish White people would do it more, not less. But when pointing out that we, as Americans, provide overwhelming aid and support to Israel and that Jewish people, who are less than 2% of our population are represented nearly 50% in academia, media, journalism and in our count of millionaires and billionaires - and yet we trace many of our problems to the BS distributed by our media and academics - then for cripes sake, the correlation is obvious even if mentioning it gets you a demerit!
To put it in Sniper Hide terms without American Jews leading the movement there would be no push for gun control. I've met several individual Jews I'd trust my life with, I totally respect them... but as a group? I don't like the group dynamics or what they are trying to impose on us. Does this make me a bad guy? Or just an honest one?
So I don't think it's necessarily hateful or anti-semantic to say that dual loyalty - as in dual citizenship with Israel (or any other country) is a conflict of interest and a problem. I also believe that our modern Middle Eastern wars, as well as the build up to fight in Syria and Iran, have been provoked by Israel and sympathetic (and mostly Jewish) NeoCons. Again, this isn't hating any particular Jewish persons but I am pointing out that some family in Arkansas sending their son off to Iraq or Afghanistan for no benefit to America is a sad waste. We're being manipulated into fighting somebody else's wars and I don't like that.
As for racism, sure I believe everyone is racist and liberals delude themselves by virtual signaling and being holier than thou over whatever supposed micro-aggression happens. But why shouldn't we be open about our differences? Black and Brown kids do worse academically, Asians and Jews do best, and average Whites are in-between. Of course there are exceptions but even a 5-year old can pick up on this in Kindergarten. And as a White person why shouldn't we resent the constant excuse making and demands for hand outs and "justice" from Blacks and other special groups (gays, trannies, purple haired freaks, etc.)?
Detroit and other American cities were beautiful places just 50 years ago but because Blacks moved in they are now in ruins... if you had elderly relatives who lost their life savings because property values and the tax base took a nosedive aren't you entitled to be resentful too? They didn't enslave or lynch anyone, if anything they suffered at least as many hardships as the Black families did so why do poor and working class Whites have to continually and forever take it on the chin for the sins of unrelated people 200 years ago? (And sadly, yes, many of the slave traders of that era were Jews OMG!)
I'd much prefer the government left us alone from all these manipulations and let people live as they wish. There is nothing wrong with wanting to live and work with people like yourself, who you share a bond and a culture with, and this is how great civilizations occur. Mixing up everyone in a multicultural stew leads to conflict and collapse, i.e. ancient Rome and now look at the British Empire falling under the weight its liberal immigration policies. So force people to decide on a single citizenship and prosecute the spies and traitors. Stop the systematic White guilt and ignore these assholes pleading for more gibs... and a lot of problems would diminish.
Anyway it's fun to trigger you guys, you're a bunch of Godamn pussies.
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